[Stein] - Hawks More Open To Trading Trae Young; Would Include Zaccharie Risacher In Right Deal

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I’m not the biggest Young fan, but one consideration for the Raps will be to compare Young versus Quick. Who is more durable? Which contract situation is better or worst. What is the cost?

I bet right now you can probably get Young for pretty much IQ and fillers. If that is the situation do Raptors go for it. Young would be a BI type of situation where you resign him not for the max but for more like 40-45 a year. I don’t see any teams in the market chasing after him, so his delta to IQ would be 5-10 million.

Hawks will be asking for IQ, CMB, and unprotected picks, for starters. I don't think the Raptors can escape this conversation.

assuming he's willing to sign an extension, hes already making 45 now. his next max contract extension terms are about 57. he's not rehabillitating his career and injury concerns like Ingram, so I doubt he takes a big discount, which is probably wishful thinking.

[ArthurVandelay]

Im very interested in what Atlanta does. They went into NY (no Towns or Hart) and won handily…again without Trae.

[Spida888]

Im very interested in what Atlanta does. They went into NY (no Towns or Hart) and won handily…again without Trae.

I think ATL wants to trade him but he doesn’t have a hot market right now. It doesn’t help when your current team plays better without you and he has a player option for next year making him a possible expiring.

[TGM]

I’m not the biggest Young fan, but one consideration for the Raps will be to compare Young versus Quick. Who is more durable? Which contract situation is better or worst. What is the cost?

I bet right now you can probably get Young for pretty much IQ and fillers. If that is the situation do Raptors go for it. Young would be a BI type of situation where you resign him not for the max but for more like 40-45 a year. I don’t see any teams in the market chasing after him, so his delta to IQ would be 5-10 million.

Hawks will be asking for IQ, CMB, and unprotected picks, for starters. I don't think the Raptors can escape this conversation.

assuming he's willing to sign an extension, hes already making 45 now. his next max contract extension terms are about 57. he's not rehabillitating his career and injury concerns like Ingram, so I doubt he takes a big discount, which is probably wishful thinking.

No way Hawks get that kind of price. They can ask, but Bobby will counter with a fraction of the ask. Just look at what they end up getting for Murray. Trae is not a top 20 player. Guys on max deals that are not top 20 players just won’t fetch anything near the same.

Trae might want 57. Don’t see any team coming close to that number. In fact don’t see anyone coming close to 50. If someone is willing to pay that sure let him walk. The new CBA is changing how teams prefer max players. Maxing all-stars who are not top ten players is crippling. So no one will max out Trae.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I’m not the biggest Young fan, but one consideration for the Raps will be to compare Young versus Quick. Who is more durable? Which contract situation is better or worst. What is the cost?

I bet right now you can probably get Young for pretty much IQ and fillers. If that is the situation do Raptors go for it. Young would be a BI type of situation where you resign him not for the max but for more like 40-45 a year. I don’t see any teams in the market chasing after him, so his delta to IQ would be 5-10 million.

Hawks will be asking for IQ, CMB, and unprotected picks, for starters. I don't think the Raptors can escape this conversation.

assuming he's willing to sign an extension, hes already making 45 now. his next max contract extension terms are about 57. he's not rehabillitating his career and injury concerns like Ingram, so I doubt he takes a big discount, which is probably wishful thinking.

No way Hawks get that kind of price. They can ask, but Bobby will counter with a fraction of the ask. Just look at what they end up getting for Murray. Trae is not a top 20 player. Guys on max deals that are not top 20 players just won’t fetch anything near the same.

Trae might want 57. Don’t see any team coming close to that number. In fact don’t see anyone coming close to 50. If someone is willing to pay that sure let him walk. The new CBA is changing how teams prefer max players. Maxing all-stars who are not top ten players is crippling. So no one will max out Trae.

Murray is a significantly lesser player and on a decent contract. and the hawks got Dyson Daniels, which was the real get in the trade and younger version of Murray on the same defensive pedigree. that was a great trade for the Hawks, now with Dejounte and the achilles injury.

Whats probably surprised Bobby even more, like the rest of us, is how lackadaisal Quickly is on defense. we could probably live with his inconsistent passing ability and main PG duties if he had strong defense.

this is the trade proposal i've seen floating around, and there is no way the Hawks would even consider trading with the Toronto without the inclusion of a young guy like CMB. IQ and Ochai are salary fillers and what Toronto wants to get rid of. The other reason why Toronto wants to get rid of IQ is his contract. we know it, you know it. Hawks know it. IQ isn't a player you're gonna build around.

Atlanta Hawks receive: Immanuel Quickley, Ochai Agbaji, Collin Murray-Boyles, 2026 first-round pick (TOR)
Toronto Raptors receive: Trae Young

and the Raptors aren't the only team wondering about Trae Young either so I doubt Bobby could afford to "counter with a fraction" of the ask.

[Spida888]

Hawks will be asking for IQ, CMB, and unprotected picks, for starters. I don't think the Raptors can escape this conversation.

assuming he's willing to sign an extension, hes already making 45 now. his next max contract extension terms are about 57. he's not rehabillitating his career and injury concerns like Ingram, so I doubt he takes a big discount, which is probably wishful thinking.

No way Hawks get that kind of price. They can ask, but Bobby will counter with a fraction of the ask. Just look at what they end up getting for Murray. Trae is not a top 20 player. Guys on max deals that are not top 20 players just won’t fetch anything near the same.

Trae might want 57. Don’t see any team coming close to that number. In fact don’t see anyone coming close to 50. If someone is willing to pay that sure let him walk. The new CBA is changing how teams prefer max players. Maxing all-stars who are not top ten players is crippling. So no one will max out Trae.

Murray is a significantly lesser player and on a decent contract. and the hawks got Dyson Daniels, which was the real get in the trade and younger version of Murray on the same defensive pedigree. that was a great trade for the Hawks, now with Dejounte and the achilles injury.

Whats probably surprised Bobby even more, like the rest of us, is how lackadaisal Quickly is on defense. we could probably live with his inconsistent passing ability and main PG duties if he had strong defense.

this is the trade proposal i've seen floating around, and there is no way the Hawks would even consider trading with the Toronto without the inclusion of a young guy like CMB. IQ and Ochai are salary fillers and what Toronto wants to get rid of. The other reason why Toronto wants to get rid of IQ is his contract. we know it, you know it. Hawks know it. IQ isn't a player you're gonna build around.

Atlanta Hawks receive: Immanuel Quickley, Ochai Agbaji, Collin Murray-Boyles, 2026 first-round pick (TOR)
Toronto Raptors receive: Trae Young

and the Raptors aren't the only team wondering about Trae Young either so I doubt Bobby could afford to "counter with a fraction" of the ask.

If Bobby offered CMB and FRP for Trae, he should be fired before the transaction is made.

While IQ has a negative contract, we aren't in desperation to overpay for Trae. ATL is playing better without him and Trae can opt out of his player option, essentially making him an expiring. There have been rumours/reports indicating Trae isn't in high demand which makes sense.

We didn't accept a 2026 unprotected Pels pick from an often injury riddled New Orleans team for our 2025 pick which turned out to be CMB. It would be an absolute bonehead move by Bobby if he traded CMB for Trae.

[mdenny]

I watched some Risacher hilites and he lools alot better than i thought. Surely they'd be demanding alot more in return if he's included? Because the fact that he's a two way player makes me pretty bullish on him. Although there may be something more in the locker room/work ethic stuff i don't know about.

[bballsparkin]

I watched some Risacher hilites and he lools alot better than i thought. Surely they'd be demanding alot more in return if he's included? Because the fact that he's a two way player makes me pretty bullish on him. Although there may be something more in the locker room/work ethic stuff i don't know about.

I would love to get Risacher on the Raptors from what little I've seen. I'd be okay trading the 2026 pick top 4 protected if it brought back Trae and him. I don't like Trae's game at all. I would do the trade for Zach and with hopes that Trae can help make the Raptors offence more enjoyable than what it is now.

IQ + RJ + 2026 FRP top 4 protected with some light sprinkling of goodies for Trae and Zacch? I'd probably do that. Hawks may want more and I would pass. Trae is risky and it's odd that they are giving up on Risacher so soon. At least form what I've seen.

[mdenny]

I watched some Risacher hilites and he lools alot better than i thought. Surely they'd be demanding alot more in return if he's included? Because the fact that he's a two way player makes me pretty bullish on him. Although there may be something more in the locker room/work ethic stuff i don't know about.

I would love to get Risacher on the Raptors from what little I've seen. I'd be okay trading the 2026 pick top 4 protected if it brought back Trae and him. I don't like Trae's game at all. I would do the trade for Zach and with hopes that Trae can help make the Raptors offence more enjoyable than what it is now.

IQ + RJ + 2026 FRP top 4 protected with some light sprinkling of goodies for Trae and Zacch? I'd probably do that. Hawks may want more and I would pass. Trae is risky and it's odd that they are giving up on Risacher so soon. At least form what I've seen.

It actually kinda makes sense for both teams to some degree. But it would be an all or nothing move for the raps. If it fails.....this whole iteration of the team is done. So super risky.

I wonder what scotty's honest opinion would be behind the scenes. Does he WANT to play with a pg like that? I would imagine he would. It wasn't the plan for IQ to be responsible for running the offense THIS much. So getting a guy who's actually built for that might be the move. Risacher is quick enough to defend SG. "Supposed" to thrive as catch and shoot guy and is good at cutting. So we replace barrett with someone who's not nearly as good at playmaking/handling but with much better defense and SUPPOSED to be better shooting.

Our team would become more dynamic with a higher ceiling. We probably become more cap flexible?

Honestly it's all about Barnes imo. If he thinks it would be a good move....that signals that he wants an established primary offensive engine to play with. If he doesn't....that means he still wants more chances at becoming that guy himself.

I don't think Trae interferes with BI's game. He gets less usage for sure but that's fine.

[MiamiSPX]

I watched some Risacher hilites and he lools alot better than i thought. Surely they'd be demanding alot more in return if he's included? Because the fact that he's a two way player makes me pretty bullish on him. Although there may be something more in the locker room/work ethic stuff i don't know about.

I would love to get Risacher on the Raptors from what little I've seen. I'd be okay trading the 2026 pick top 4 protected if it brought back Trae and him. I don't like Trae's game at all. I would do the trade for Zach and with hopes that Trae can help make the Raptors offence more enjoyable than what it is now.

IQ + RJ + 2026 FRP top 4 protected with some light sprinkling of goodies for Trae and Zacch? I'd probably do that. Hawks may want more and I would pass. Trae is risky and it's odd that they are giving up on Risacher so soon. At least form what I've seen.

I don't think we would need to add a 1st rounder. If anything, the Hawks would be paying us with Risacher to get off Trae. They want to move him in large part because it's looking more and more likely that he is going to pick up that PO. They want to get rid of him.

[bballsparkin]

I would love to get Risacher on the Raptors from what little I've seen. I'd be okay trading the 2026 pick top 4 protected if it brought back Trae and him. I don't like Trae's game at all. I would do the trade for Zach and with hopes that Trae can help make the Raptors offence more enjoyable than what it is now.

IQ + RJ + 2026 FRP top 4 protected with some light sprinkling of goodies for Trae and Zacch? I'd probably do that. Hawks may want more and I would pass. Trae is risky and it's odd that they are giving up on Risacher so soon. At least form what I've seen.

I don't think we would need to add a 1st rounder. If anything, the Hawks would be paying us with Risacher to get off Trae. They want to move him in large part because it's looking more and more likely that he is going to pick up that PO. They want to get rid of him.

Yeah you might be right. Maybe a 2027 top 10 protected to help them save face. If we keep the 2026 pick to me it would be a no brainer. They would get a new look at Barnes and BI with an actual floor general plus a Raptorish player in Zacc. It would give Trae an opportunity to rebuild his image league wide. ATL moves on from Trae. IQ would fit in well there and RJ has something to prove as well. Interesting if nothing else.

[Kingsway_fan]

No way I want rj traded. I want him extended. I am ok with trading IQ, etc...

[MessiahUjiri]

No way Hawks get that kind of price. They can ask, but Bobby will counter with a fraction of the ask. Just look at what they end up getting for Murray. Trae is not a top 20 player. Guys on max deals that are not top 20 players just won’t fetch anything near the same.

Trae might want 57. Don’t see any team coming close to that number. In fact don’t see anyone coming close to 50. If someone is willing to pay that sure let him walk. The new CBA is changing how teams prefer max players. Maxing all-stars who are not top ten players is crippling. So no one will max out Trae.

Murray is a significantly lesser player and on a decent contract. and the hawks got Dyson Daniels, which was the real get in the trade and younger version of Murray on the same defensive pedigree. that was a great trade for the Hawks, now with Dejounte and the achilles injury.

Whats probably surprised Bobby even more, like the rest of us, is how lackadaisal Quickly is on defense. we could probably live with his inconsistent passing ability and main PG duties if he had strong defense.

this is the trade proposal i've seen floating around, and there is no way the Hawks would even consider trading with the Toronto without the inclusion of a young guy like CMB. IQ and Ochai are salary fillers and what Toronto wants to get rid of. The other reason why Toronto wants to get rid of IQ is his contract. we know it, you know it. Hawks know it. IQ isn't a player you're gonna build around.

Atlanta Hawks receive: Immanuel Quickley, Ochai Agbaji, Collin Murray-Boyles, 2026 first-round pick (TOR)
Toronto Raptors receive: Trae Young

and the Raptors aren't the only team wondering about Trae Young either so I doubt Bobby could afford to "counter with a fraction" of the ask.

If Bobby offered CMB and FRP for Trae, he should be fired before the transaction is made.

While IQ has a negative contract, we aren't in desperation to overpay for Trae. ATL is playing better without him and Trae can opt out of his player option, essentially making him an expiring. There have been rumours/reports indicating Trae isn't in high demand which makes sense.

We didn't accept a 2026 unprotected Pels pick from an often injury riddled New Orleans team for our 2025 pick which turned out to be CMB. It would be an absolute bonehead move by Bobby if he traded CMB for Trae.

Agree. Traes upcoming FA status and contract neutralizes his value. And he doesn’t play defense.

I think he’s a big upgrade over Quickley. But the deal would be something like IQ + Ochai + Mogbo + ‘28 lightly protected 1st

[bboyskinnylegs]

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maybe if the Hawks are really trying to get AD, the structure of a deal could be AD+Ochai to the Hawks, IQ+Risacher+Gradey to the Mavs, and Trae here

[HMFFL]

Hawks aren't trading Zacc to Dallas.
Coach Quin mentioned he's available and Hawks front office had to inform Dallas he's not.

I think the Dallas talks are dead since the Mavs aren't interested in Trae.

[Basketball_Jones]

Hawks got something cooking with Johnson/Daniels/NAW. They’re too soft in the interior though and need playmaking. A bit similar to us. Maybe we can fool them and they take Yak lol.

[Dexjackson]

Murray is a significantly lesser player and on a decent contract. and the hawks got Dyson Daniels, which was the real get in the trade and younger version of Murray on the same defensive pedigree. that was a great trade for the Hawks, now with Dejounte and the achilles injury.

Whats probably surprised Bobby even more, like the rest of us, is how lackadaisal Quickly is on defense. we could probably live with his inconsistent passing ability and main PG duties if he had strong defense.

this is the trade proposal i've seen floating around, and there is no way the Hawks would even consider trading with the Toronto without the inclusion of a young guy like CMB. IQ and Ochai are salary fillers and what Toronto wants to get rid of. The other reason why Toronto wants to get rid of IQ is his contract. we know it, you know it. Hawks know it. IQ isn't a player you're gonna build around.

Atlanta Hawks receive: Immanuel Quickley, Ochai Agbaji, Collin Murray-Boyles, 2026 first-round pick (TOR)
Toronto Raptors receive: Trae Young

and the Raptors aren't the only team wondering about Trae Young either so I doubt Bobby could afford to "counter with a fraction" of the ask.

If Bobby offered CMB and FRP for Trae, he should be fired before the transaction is made.

While IQ has a negative contract, we aren't in desperation to overpay for Trae. ATL is playing better without him and Trae can opt out of his player option, essentially making him an expiring. There have been rumours/reports indicating Trae isn't in high demand which makes sense.

We didn't accept a 2026 unprotected Pels pick from an often injury riddled New Orleans team for our 2025 pick which turned out to be CMB. It would be an absolute bonehead move by Bobby if he traded CMB for Trae.

Agree. Traes upcoming FA status and contract neutralizes his value. And he doesn’t play defense.

I think he’s a big upgrade over Quickley. But the deal would be something like IQ + Ochai + Mogbo + ‘28 lightly protected 1st

I don't like Young but I would do that deal. Only because the IQ deal has neutral/negative value. I don't like Young at all as a player but you have to have do this deal. IQ's deal IMO limits our ceiling.

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[LoveMyRaps]

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[ConSarnit]

If Bobby offered CMB and FRP for Trae, he should be fired before the transaction is made.

While IQ has a negative contract, we aren't in desperation to overpay for Trae. ATL is playing better without him and Trae can opt out of his player option, essentially making him an expiring. There have been rumours/reports indicating Trae isn't in high demand which makes sense.

We didn't accept a 2026 unprotected Pels pick from an often injury riddled New Orleans team for our 2025 pick which turned out to be CMB. It would be an absolute bonehead move by Bobby if he traded CMB for Trae.

Agree. Traes upcoming FA status and contract neutralizes his value. And he doesn’t play defense.

I think he’s a big upgrade over Quickley. But the deal would be something like IQ + Ochai + Mogbo + ‘28 lightly protected 1st

I don't like Young but I would do that deal. Only because the IQ deal has neutral/negative value. I don't like Young at all as a player but you have to have do this deal. IQ's deal IMO limits our ceiling.

Is the idea to re-sign Trae to a longer term deal? Let’s say he gets the Ingram special: 25% of the cap while looking to rehab his value. Now you’re looking at paying Trae $42m/yr+, which is $10m above what IQ is making. An extended Trae gives us zero cap space to improve anywhere else. I can’t see him taking anything less than 25% of the cap and he probably asks for more considering he's a 3x all-star.

Are we just doing it to let Trae expire and get IQ off the books? If so, how do we fill the PG position? Trading a protected 1st would hamper any other trades. We wouldn’t have cap space to sign anyone of significance (ie. see what happened when we had to settle for the Schroder’s of the world). Shead is not ready and I have significant doubts of his ability to ever become a starter based on his anemic scoring/shooting. If Trae opts in ($48m in ‘26/27) we have absolutely zero room to sign anyone to shore up the bench.

The truth of the matter is Trae has regressed. His theoretical 3pt shooting never really works out that way. He’s a great passer but he needs a lob threat (which we don’t have). But the biggest kicker is: he’s horrendous defensively.

Those in favor of trading for Trae should watch the recent Hawks/Knicks game. The Knicks attacked Trae every single time in the pnr. That is what we could expect if we are trying to have playoff success with Trae.

It’s not worth it imo. Trae has too many faults and he’s still going to command a large salary.