Hannes Steinbach

[peZt]

Its one of those things where people for some reason dislike a player or they really want to dislike a player but dont really have any reason to dislike them because they play well and have minimal weaknesses. So they cling on to something they make up in their mind. I have no idea where this "undersized" talk comes from. In german we say "Meckern um des Meckerns willen"

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Big enough to play Center or would he slot in as a PF?
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My question would not be "is he big enough to play 5?"; "Undersized" centers aren't uncommon. My question would be "is he mobile enough to defend the 4 (in the NBA)"? I think that is what decides if he goes first round or second round.

[mattg]

We harp too much on actual height. At that size, being able to play C is a function of one's mentality, play style and body build. This guy is a NBA C.

100%. Too many fans want to envision smaller, more athletic, more mobile guys playing center because in theory on paper it should be the best course of action, like playing Giannis or AD at center. But the reality is, dudes like that aren't any good at center despite their talent because they don't have the mental makeup for it. There's a lot of very little things that you need a trug big to do on the court that get absolutely zero recognition and don't register as stats, but if you don't have someone doing them the team is going to suck. You need someone setting hard screens, being willing to bang bodies in the post defensively, actually boxing out and not just jumping for boards, rolling hard down the lane even when there is zero chance to get the pass just to force the defense to move with you. Occupying space on the baseline to threaten the drop off strictly to manipulate the help defender to open a driving lane for a teammate. Etc. So many little things that only get seen on film or tracking data. Being a big is a mentality as much as it it a function of raw size/athleticism.

[Jstock12]

There's a lot of very little things that you need a trug big to do on the court that get absolutely zero recognition and don't register as stats, but if you don't have someone doing them the team is going to suck.

[tmorgan]

Watching Gortat (or Pekovic before him) legally goon someone always entertained me. I enjoy Adams now for the same reason.

[RookieStar]

With the uncertainty of Moe's return from injury, the non-factor of Isaac and Goga's mental instability, I wouldn't mind Steinbach if ever we can get him. Too bad we have no FRP left.

[RookieStar]

Just saw that game against IND. He had 20pts on 6 made fg? He is a foul magnet. Too bad his teammates are full of chuckers going 5-15. They couldve won.

Wonder why he chose WAS when his u20/german team chose power schools.

[Chi town]

We harp too much on actual height. At that size, being able to play C is a function of one's mentality, play style and body build. This guy is a NBA C.

100%. Too many fans want to envision smaller, more athletic, more mobile guys playing center because in theory on paper it should be the best course of action, like playing Giannis or AD at center. But the reality is, dudes like that aren't any good at center despite their talent because they don't have the mental makeup for it. There's a lot of very little things that you need a trug big to do on the court that get absolutely zero recognition and don't register as stats, but if you don't have someone doing them the team is going to suck. You need someone setting hard screens, being willing to bang bodies in the post defensively, actually boxing out and not just jumping for boards, rolling hard down the lane even when there is zero chance to get the pass just to force the defense to move with you. Occupying space on the baseline to threaten the drop off strictly to manipulate the help defender to open a driving lane for a teammate. Etc. So many little things that only get seen on film or tracking data. Being a big is a mentality as much as it it a function of raw size/athleticism.

Well said and Hannes does all the above with energy and physicality. He’s the don’t overthink it production over potential easy pick.

I think he can play both PF and C. Lots of double big lineups around the league now that crashing the offensive glass is killing small ball lineups.

Kid has great IQ and always knows where to be and when. Foul magnet and rebounding machine. He anticipates so well where the ball will go based on where the shooter is. Rodman talked a lot about the skill combined with the effort to be a great rebounder.

His floor is high due to his size and rebounding alone. I like his shot and think he will be a good 3pt shooter in time that will stretch the floor. He will punish smaller players on the switch in PNR.

I like him for my Bulls next to a rim protecting C and Buz at SF. I like him as backup C next to Noa at PF off the bench.

Think when the dust settles he could be right there with Cam Boozer in production too.

[Chi town]

Just saw that game against IND. He had 20pts on 6 made fg? He is a foul magnet. Too bad his teammates are full of chuckers going 5-15. They couldve won.

Wonder why he chose WAS when his u20/german team chose power schools.

Such a team of chucker guards. They never look for him. He should be the focal point of the offense and hub. If he was he’d be in top 5 talk.

[Chi town]

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Big enough to play Center or would he slot in as a PF?
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My question would not be "is he big enough to play 5?"; "Undersized" centers aren't uncommon. My question would be "is he mobile enough to defend the 4 (in the NBA)"? I think that is what decides if he goes first round or second round.

2nd round?

Swings both ways.

The quicker PFs that he may have trouble defending… can they stop him in the post or keep him off the boards… there’s no way IMO. He’s too smart crafty and strong. He will punish mismatched and fouls those guys out.

Also don’t think he’s going to have a hard time defending those quicker PFs. He doesn’t over commit. Plays solid. Moves his feet. Not on skates.

My question will be the bigger 5s. Is he big enough to battle with them.

[Chi town]

Kid can play and knows how to use his body. High IQ.

He’s the type of player that you don’t over think it with. He will produce day one. You need a good defensive C next to him. Lots of teams going double big lineups to pound the glass for offensive rebounds. He’s elite at OREB. Think he will be a good shooter too. His form looks good.

Double big lineups make sense if one of them stretches the floor. If this guy is crashing the glass he is not also going to be a stretch 4. You can't be in two places at once. So which is he? Double big lineups only really make sense if one of them can shoot. If this guy doesn't shoot then you will need a stretch 5 that can also protect the rim. This is not easy team building.

One of the reasons you draft a guy high is that he's easy to build around. In your description of Steinbach it's like you're already acknowledging he will need a special team construction around him. You started by saying "don't overthink it", but you are literally having to over think it with him.

Nah. He will shoot 3s at the NBA level and stretch the floor.

I see him playin the 4 and 5. Ideally, you start him at the 4 next to a rim protector to dominate the glass. For my Bulls Smith would be the stretch 5. Play 5 out with him.

Then you have him play backup 5 against second units and destroy the small ball lineups on the boards and in switches. Slot an athletic 4 next to him for us it would be Noa when healthy.

I think he may be one of the easiest players in the draft to build with.

[JMAC3]

Rim protection is so overrated in the NBA right now anyways. Having a guy that can rebound and switch defensively is more valuable. Steinbach looks like a plus mover to me.

[SeattleJazzFan]

no idea what to think about steinbach after seeing him put up 20 vs indiana. nearly everything, including the drawn fouls was just him catching passes near the hoop off the pnr and dribble penetration, or getting offensive rebounds and putting it up. very little shot creation (not his fault) from the post or anywhere really. he clearly has a soft touch, great hands and he's a plus passer. but i'd love to see his chucker guards just throw it to him in the post and see what he can do.

[RookieStar]

Right now in tankathon he is at 16.

Yup, pretty much where i see him. In the teens area.

Sad for me that my Magic wont have the chance for him.

[RookieStar]

Just saw that game against IND. He had 20pts on 6 made fg? He is a foul magnet. Too bad his teammates are full of chuckers going 5-15. They couldve won.

Wonder why he chose WAS when his u20/german team chose power schools.

Such a team of chucker guards. They never look for him. He should be the focal point of the offense and hub. If he was he’d be in top 5 talk.

I dunno about top 5 but lotto pick sure.

[djw]

There's an artice in a German sports outlet about the connection between Steinbach and former Washington forward (and NBA all-star) Detlef Schrempf.

I had ChatGPT summarize the Steinbach part (cause I'm lazy).

The article explains that former NBA All-Star Detlef Schrempf is acting as a mentor and supporter to Hannes Steinbach, a 19-year-old German basketball prospect who just moved from Würzburg to play for the University of Washington Huskies in the NCAA this season.

Schrempf says he attends his games and sometimes his practices, that Steinbach has his phone number and they message, and that he’s always willing to help — though Steinbach also has plenty of other mentors, including his father (a former pro player) and Dirk Nowitzki.

The NBA legend praises Steinbach as physically gifted and instinctive, noting his size, athleticism, rebounding, ball-handling, shooting, and post play, and says he sees a bright future ahead for him, with prospect of becoming a first-round NBA draft pick in the coming years.

https://sportbild.bild.de/sportmix/basketball/ich-bin-immer-fuer-ihn-da-schrempf-hilft-deutschem-top-talent-steinbach-699daf77cfca786c686c946f

[RookieStar]

There's an artice in a German sports outlet about the connection between Steinbach and former Washington forward (and NBA all-star) Detlef Schrempf.

I had ChatGPT summarize the Steinbach part (cause I'm lazy).

The article explains that former NBA All-Star Detlef Schrempf is acting as a mentor and supporter to Hannes Steinbach, a 19-year-old German basketball prospect who just moved from Würzburg to play for the University of Washington Huskies in the NCAA this season.

Schrempf says he attends his games and sometimes his practices, that Steinbach has his phone number and they message, and that he’s always willing to help — though Steinbach also has plenty of other mentors, including his father (a former pro player) and Dirk Nowitzki.

The NBA legend praises Steinbach as physically gifted and instinctive, noting his size, athleticism, rebounding, ball-handling, shooting, and post play, and says he sees a bright future ahead for him, with prospect of becoming a first-round NBA draft pick in the coming years.

https://sportbild.bild.de/sportmix/basketball/ich-bin-immer-fuer-ihn-da-schrempf-hilft-deutschem-top-talent-steinbach-699daf77cfca786c686c946f

that quote "coming years"... they expect Hannes to play another year in the NCAA??

[Chi town]

I think the kid is way underrated and will be a stud.

UW may have the worst guards in the country. Hes being hidden big time.

I’d start him at PF and have him play small ball C. He will dominate smaller players and outwork guys his size and bigger. Hes sneaky athletic too.

[JMAC3]

I think the kid is way underrated and will be a stud.

UW may have the worst guards in the country. Hes being hidden big time.

I’d start him at PF and have him play small ball C. He will dominate smaller players and outwork guys his size and bigger. Hes sneaky athletic too.

You would start someone at PF day 1 that has made 14 career college threes? I just can't get behind that in the modern game.
For that reason I think he is a skiled 5 who is a great rebounder and has some passing skills.

[Chi town]

I think the kid is way underrated and will be a stud.

UW may have the worst guards in the country. Hes being hidden big time.

I’d start him at PF and have him play small ball C. He will dominate smaller players and outwork guys his size and bigger. Hes sneaky athletic too.

You would start someone at PF day 1 that has made 14 career college threes? I just can't get behind that in the modern game.
For that reason I think he is a skiled 5 who is a great rebounder and has some passing skills.

The nba has moved to muscle. Rebounding is the new superpower. Specifically offensive rebounding. This guy is a wizard at offensive rebounding. Watch full games. He anticipates so well and is always moving for position and where he thinks the ball will be.

Double big lineups are now necessary. I’d start Hannes next to a giant at C and then play him as a small ball 5 too.

As for the college 3s… you got to watch full games. UW has the worst guards in the Big 10. He never touched the ball unless rebounds it. He’s being crazy misused.