Stand pat? trade for has been star? All in?

[wegotthabeet]

I want to target a young guard that can be a major core piece moving forward but is still attainable. Someone like a Cason Wallace or Reed Sheppard. Not necessarily those guys since it would be difficult to pry them away, but someone like that.

I would also consider moving IQ to the bench to boost bench scoring. He’s already been paid, so maybe he accepts that role.

[bluerap23]

I want to target a young guard that can be a major core piece moving forward but is still attainable. Someone like a Cason Wallace or Reed Sheppard. Not necessarily those guys since it would be difficult to pry them away, but someone like that.

I would also consider moving IQ to the bench to boost bench scoring. He’s already been paid, so maybe he accepts that role.

Those type of guys aren't getting traded though, and definitely not for IQ.

[TGM]

I want to target a young guard that can be a major core piece moving forward but is still attainable. Someone like a Cason Wallace or Reed Sheppard. Not necessarily those guys since it would be difficult to pry them away, but someone like that.

I would also consider moving IQ to the bench to boost bench scoring. He’s already been paid, so maybe he accepts that role.

Cason Wallace is my dream starting PG for the Raps. The dude is like a jumbo version of Shead that can hit 3s. He is a core piece on OKC, but definitely underutilized. He is going to be Harden 2.0. Someone is going to pay him like 25 million to start and OKC will have to let him walk. I hope that is the Raps. You are going to see Harden effect with him at some point.

[AreBe]

I want to target a young guard that can be a major core piece moving forward but is still attainable. Someone like a Cason Wallace or Reed Sheppard. Not necessarily those guys since it would be difficult to pry them away, but someone like that.

I would also consider moving IQ to the bench to boost bench scoring. He’s already been paid, so maybe he accepts that role.

Cason Wallace is my dream starting PG for the Raps. The dude is like a jumbo version of Shead that can hit 3s. He is a core piece on OKC, but definitely underutilized. He is going to be Harden 2.0. Someone is going to pay him like 25 million to start and OKC will have to let him walk. I hope that is the Raps. You are going to see Harden effect with him at some point.

And this is why we must hold on to draft picks- just in case we hit a fluke win rather than a bust. Fluke draft day wins is one of the few ways the Raptors can acquire such a player without hollowing out the team- The other way 2 ways are - 1. Ownership is unlikely to accept it- is to tank. 2 trade kids and picks.
Thus- stand pat and do nothing because doing something costs you kids and draft picks, the path to ruin- see Leafs, see Clippers.

[JB7]

I think the worst possible.thing you can do is "nothing". All of the other options are possibilities.

Moves need to be made. Even if it's simply to shed salary.

I would actually disagree. I think they got lucky with the Ingram trade, as he and Barnes have probably meshed better than anyone expected, mostly because Barnes has been so willing to defer to BI on offence.

I think right now, they just need to continue to build value in their players, with more consistent winning, and play. They also have all of their draft picks, and generally have been one of the better teams at drafting. They just need to continue to build their asset base, and prep for a future deal.

Their contract situation is not as bad as it has been made out by the media, and their early season success has quieted all of those concerns.

The only real contract problem could be Yak, if he does have long term back issues, but if that is the case, no team is trading for him.

All of the other contracts are manageable.

I still think this roster lacks balance. Too many wings. Not enough size. Even if you beleived in all of the young players, we don't need them all.

Yak is breaking down & we have zero big man depth in the organization. Not even on the 905. Drafting a rookie C next season won't fix that problem.

Also.......I think its very important to find a way to retain Mamu. That might mean moving some salary.

The glut of wings will be dealt with naturally. Ochai will most likely be traded by this trade deadline to get under the tax, since he won’t be resigned.

Gradey could be traded this offseason to free up more room if they need to sign Mamu.

They just need to find a backup C, to give Yak more time to rest his back.

[Pointgod]

I don’t think we’re in the top tier of assets, but I think we have enough to make basically any trade we want.

Like, can OKC, HOU, SAS, and a few other teams beat our best offers? Sure. But at a certain point, if they want to pay $1.50 on the dollar, you just have to let them.

As for what I’d hope to do, it’s either 2 or 4, which are kind of the same to me. I dislike pretty much all available options (Trae, LaMelo, Sabonis, Davis), but I would take any of them at the right price.

We have the assets to make a Desmond Bane or Mikal Bridges type trade. We absolutely do not have the assets to trade for a top 10 player without including Scottie.

[MEDIC]

I think trade value for star players has really shifted in the last 12-18 months once teams started to appreciate how killer the tax apron can be.

I mentioned this in a thread a year ago, that the new way to build a team will be with 20-30 million dollar players. RJ is a guy that fits that bill. Also, not just because RJ has been playing well lately, but I really get Derozan vibes with the guy. He wants to be in Toronto, is a Toronto guy and his game keeps improving as each year goes buy. In 2-3 years from now he could very well be our championship version of Kris Middleton.

I hope the Raps don't force a trade for the sake of it. We should see what we can do with IQ, Jak, Dick, Mogbo, Ochai and maybe up to two first round picks. Thats probably the type of trade capital we should be willing to put on the table. The Kings keep coming back as the team I want to link up with.

IQ, Jak, Dick, Ocha, Mogbo, one unprotected first and one first that is protected that if it doesn't convey within 2 years becomes 2 2nds.

I think Kings don't mind a bit of a shake up and they have some contracts they want and some they want to get rid of. IQ can be a 20-8 guy for them at PG, Dick has some upside as does Mogbo. Getting 2 first doesn't hurt either.

Something like Sabonis, Monk, Carter and Westbrook. Monk no longer gets PT on the team. Westbrook has been a beast and will get dealt at the deadline, but I don't see anyone giving a first. Carter is another guy buried on the bench. So the real value is Sabonis who is coming back from injury. This is the kind of deal that doesn't mess up team chemistry too much, but also lets us get a step closer.

Westbrook - Shead - Carter
RJ - Monk - Walter
Ingram -Battle
Barnes - CMB
Sabonis - Mamu - Bamba

This is a good line-up to make a 2nd round run. We will still have some decent players to work with and haven't broken the bank. We have 3 40 million players in Ingram, Barnes and Sabonis. If things in 2027 look good we can also crack the tax and add one more star.

I have the same thoughts on the players you mentioned. I like it.

[JB7]

The new CBA is a destroyer of championship teams. First it came for GSW and then the Celtics. Next on the list is OKC.

With Chet and J-Dubs extensions coming next year, Dort and IH will be the first casualties. OKC would lose its grit on D, and probably its championship aspirations in a stacked West.

If I were the Raps, I would be waiting on SGA. I could see him asking out if OKC is no longer a contender. Raps are in a larger non-US market, in the weak East. With how things are derailing in the US, an exit to Toronto might be desirable to SGA.

[MEDIC]

IQ + Dick or Ochai

For

Davion Mitchell & Andrew Wiggins.

Gives us some bench depth, improves the defense and shortens up some contracts.

[PushDaRock]

The new CBA is a destroyer of championship teams. First it came for GSW and then the Celtics. Next on the list is OKC.

With Chet and J-Dubs extensions coming next year, Dort and IH will be the first casualties. OKC would lose its grit on D, and probably its championship aspirations in a stacked West.

If I were the Raps, I would be waiting on SGA. I could see him asking out if OKC is no longer a contender. Raps are in a larger non-US market, in the weak East. With how things are derailing in the US, an exit to Toronto might be desirable to SGA.

Seems like a good strategy to wait on him to ask for a trade specifically to us

[PushDaRock]

IQ + Dick or Ochai

For

Davion Mitchell & Andrew Wiggins.

Gives us some bench depth, improves the defense and shortens up some contracts.

and it does what for Miami?

[JB7]

The new CBA is a destroyer of championship teams. First it came for GSW and then the Celtics. Next on the list is OKC.

With Chet and J-Dubs extensions coming next year, Dort and IH will be the first casualties. OKC would lose its grit on D, and probably its championship aspirations in a stacked West.

If I were the Raps, I would be waiting on SGA. I could see him asking out if OKC is no longer a contender. Raps are in a larger non-US market, in the weak East. With how things are derailing in the US, an exit to Toronto might be desirable to SGA.

Seems like a good strategy to wait on him to ask for a trade specifically to us

He is probably the only superstar in the league that would possibly be interested in going to the Raps.

For those with championship aspirations, he is the type of player that could deliver.

[MEDIC]

IQ + Dick or Ochai

For

Davion Mitchell & Andrew Wiggins.

Gives us some bench depth, improves the defense and shortens up some contracts.

and it does what for Miami?

Oh, I agree. I don't think the Heat do it. I think they are super happy with their bulldog PG that makes 12 million per year.

It's the type of trade I would love to make though.

[MEDIC]

The players that I views as "keepers" on this team (because they fit what the team is trying to do):

Primary:

RJ, BI, Scottie, Mamu

Secondary:

CMB, Walter

Everyone else I view aa movable. Pieces that are movable to help bring in better fitting players. If Yak could stay healthy, I would put him on one of those lists, but he hasn't been able.to help all that much.

[wegotthabeet]

I want to target a young guard that can be a major core piece moving forward but is still attainable. Someone like a Cason Wallace or Reed Sheppard. Not necessarily those guys since it would be difficult to pry them away, but someone like that.

I would also consider moving IQ to the bench to boost bench scoring. He’s already been paid, so maybe he accepts that role.

Those type of guys aren't getting traded though, and definitely not for IQ.

Obviously not for Quickley haha. I never said that.

More like the Deni trade.

2 1sts + 2 nds for a young player with higher upside than their current role.

Teams looking to trade a player like that might be rebuilding, can't afford their next contract or can't find enough minutes for them in their rotation.

[PushDaRock]

The new CBA is a destroyer of championship teams. First it came for GSW and then the Celtics. Next on the list is OKC.

With Chet and J-Dubs extensions coming next year, Dort and IH will be the first casualties. OKC would lose its grit on D, and probably its championship aspirations in a stacked West.

If I were the Raps, I would be waiting on SGA. I could see him asking out if OKC is no longer a contender. Raps are in a larger non-US market, in the weak East. With how things are derailing in the US, an exit to Toronto might be desirable to SGA.

Seems like a good strategy to wait on him to ask for a trade specifically to us

He is probably the only superstar in the league that would possibly be interested in going to the Raps.

For those with championship aspirations, he is the type of player that could deliver.

What does the strategy of waiting on him include?

[PushDaRock]

I want to target a young guard that can be a major core piece moving forward but is still attainable. Someone like a Cason Wallace or Reed Sheppard. Not necessarily those guys since it would be difficult to pry them away, but someone like that.

I would also consider moving IQ to the bench to boost bench scoring. He’s already been paid, so maybe he accepts that role.

Those type of guys aren't getting traded though, and definitely not for IQ.

Obviously not for Quickley haha. I never said that.

More like the Deni trade.

2 1sts + 2 nds for a young player with higher upside than their current role.

Teams looking to trade a player like that might be rebuilding, can't afford their next contract or can't find enough minutes for them in their rotation.

When we got IQ, that was the hope as well. We were hoping he would break out when given a bigger role like Deni has, just sometimes doesn't work out.

[FOB]

I think trade value for star players has really shifted in the last 12-18 months once teams started to appreciate how killer the tax apron can be.

I mentioned this in a thread a year ago, that the new way to build a team will be with 20-30 million dollar players. RJ is a guy that fits that bill. Also, not just because RJ has been playing well lately, but I really get Derozan vibes with the guy. He wants to be in Toronto, is a Toronto guy and his game keeps improving as each year goes buy. In 2-3 years from now he could very well be our championship version of Kris Middleton.

I hope the Raps don't force a trade for the sake of it. We should see what we can do with IQ, Jak, Dick, Mogbo, Ochai and maybe up to two first round picks. Thats probably the type of trade capital we should be willing to put on the table. The Kings keep coming back as the team I want to link up with.

IQ, Jak, Dick, Ocha, Mogbo, one unprotected first and one first that is protected that if it doesn't convey within 2 years becomes 2 2nds.

I think Kings don't mind a bit of a shake up and they have some contracts they want and some they want to get rid of. IQ can be a 20-8 guy for them at PG, Dick has some upside as does Mogbo. Getting 2 first doesn't hurt either.

Something like Sabonis, Monk, Carter and Westbrook. Monk no longer gets PT on the team. Westbrook has been a beast and will get dealt at the deadline, but I don't see anyone giving a first. Carter is another guy buried on the bench. So the real value is Sabonis who is coming back from injury. This is the kind of deal that doesn't mess up team chemistry too much, but also lets us get a step closer.

Westbrook - Shead - Carter
RJ - Monk - Walter
Ingram -Battle
Barnes - CMB
Sabonis - Mamu - Bamba

This is a good line-up to make a 2nd round run. We will still have some decent players to work with and haven't broken the bank. We have 3 40 million players in Ingram, Barnes and Sabonis. If things in 2027 look good we can also crack the tax and add one more star.

I have the same thoughts on the players you mentioned. I like it.

I like Sabonis, but he's more of a guy that helps you get to the playoffs, not succeed there. In the postseason he gets hunted on defense due to his inability to defend the pick and roll, and without anyone to protect the rim the raps would get slaughtered.

[Boogie!]

I want to target a young guard that can be a major core piece moving forward but is still attainable. Someone like a Cason Wallace or Reed Sheppard. Not necessarily those guys since it would be difficult to pry them away, but someone like that.

I would also consider moving IQ to the bench to boost bench scoring. He’s already been paid, so maybe he accepts that role.

Cason Wallace is my dream starting PG for the Raps. The dude is like a jumbo version of Shead that can hit 3s. He is a core piece on OKC, but definitely underutilized. He is going to be Harden 2.0. Someone is going to pay him like 25 million to start and OKC will have to let him walk. I hope that is the Raps. You are going to see Harden effect with him at some point.

And this is why we must hold on to draft picks- just in case we hit a fluke win rather than a bust. Fluke draft day wins is one of the few ways the Raptors can acquire such a player without hollowing out the team- The other way 2 ways are - 1. Ownership is unlikely to accept it- is to tank. 2 trade kids and picks.
Thus- stand pat and do nothing because doing something costs you kids and draft picks, the path to ruin- see Leafs, see Clippers.

Or you keep your pick and draft guys like gradey dick. The draft is still a crapshoot keeping picks doesn’t guarantee winning either

[whitehops]

When we got IQ, that was the hope as well. We were hoping he would break out when given a bigger role like Deni has, just sometimes doesn't work out.

gary trent jr as well... sometimes things don't go according to plan.