Stand pat? trade for has been star? All in?

[Boogie!]

Those type of guys aren't getting traded though, and definitely not for IQ.

Obviously not for Quickley haha. I never said that.

More like the Deni trade.

2 1sts + 2 nds for a young player with higher upside than their current role.

Teams looking to trade a player like that might be rebuilding, can't afford their next contract or can't find enough minutes for them in their rotation.

When we got IQ, that was the hope as well. We were hoping he would break out when given a bigger role like Deni has, just sometimes doesn't work out.

In what way would you classify avdijas “breakout” different from quickley… his numbers are similar across the board from his Portland seasons, except now he’s getting more touches, a bigger role and more minutes. When quickley first got here, his numbers went up similarly. He also got traded with Rj, another 19 ppg scorer, and this year we brought in Ingram, to take more touches away from him. So what is the expected leap for quickley with the way this team is currently constructed?

[Merit]

Had an epiphany while thinking about Quickley trades. The trouble is we as Raptors fans want to send out underperforming players - we’d never get anything back for them, they don’t have value.

Meanwhile there is a big contract that we’ve totally rehabilitated the value on, and that’s Brandon Ingram. He’s playing awesome, hasn’t missed a game and is leading all-star votes for a top 4 seed. I like watching him but this might be the best he’ll ever look.

If we want to catch the Thunder, we need a Paul George to trade away for the future MVP. Just need a dumb superstar to play GM, force a team to trade for Brandon because he hits middies and was a Laker, and for that team to have a secretly elite guard prospect they’ll part with. Profit.

Quickley is underperforming to a certain extent, but the point of a trade is to win it. For that reason, the person trading for IQ would feel they win the trade because he fits better with their team.

Why would we trade BI at his best? Please make it make sense. Of course, if we get 5x firsts and a Shai level player we do it, but that’s like saying if we win the lottery we’d take the money. Like obviously we would!

[Merit]

I want to target a young guard that can be a major core piece moving forward but is still attainable. Someone like a Cason Wallace or Reed Sheppard. Not necessarily those guys since it would be difficult to pry them away, but someone like that.

I would also consider moving IQ to the bench to boost bench scoring. He’s already been paid, so maybe he accepts that role.

Those type of guys aren't getting traded though, and definitely not for IQ.

Cason is definitely attainable since Shai is starting and they also have Ajay Mitchell and others like Topic arriving soon. Reed is attainable as Fred comes back next year.

[Morris_Shatford]

The "core" for what it is for the most part is locked up in the short term;
I don't think you need to make a move immediately, I think you can take your time and hope for another but low scenario like Leonard and Ingram to help you take that step.

For the moment;
I still don't know what this team is -
Are they regular season darlings that will choke and get swept in the playoffs or are they a middling team with some moxy in the playoff or are we just middling?

I think you make a deal for some balance and to deal with the tax issue;
If a sweetheart deal comes along, you make it
I would rather we not unload years of first to supplement this group just yet.

[anotherhomer]

I want to target a young guard that can be a major core piece moving forward but is still attainable. Someone like a Cason Wallace or Reed Sheppard. Not necessarily those guys since it would be difficult to pry them away, but someone like that.

I would also consider moving IQ to the bench to boost bench scoring. He’s already been paid, so maybe he accepts that role.

Those type of guys aren't getting traded though, and definitely not for IQ.

Cason is definitely attainable since Shai is starting and they also have Ajay Mitchell and others like Topic arriving soon. Reed is attainable as Fred comes back next year.

Okc fans are very passionate about cason wallace

[StopitLeo]

Trade for Giannis and give yourself a chance to be a real contender for the next 2-3 years. If the team isn't successful over that time you can trade Barnes and Ingram to recover some of the draft capital you gave up to get Giannis.

[wegotthabeet]

Those type of guys aren't getting traded though, and definitely not for IQ.

Cason is definitely attainable since Shai is starting and they also have Ajay Mitchell and others like Topic arriving soon. Reed is attainable as Fred comes back next year.

Okc fans are very passionate about cason wallace

As they should be, but fans don’t pay luxury taxes my guy.

[Johnny Bball]

5. This is a growth year to play kids and get a round of playoff experience. If 2 presents itself, maybe.

They will be trading Agbaji though. Possibly Quickley if there is interest but seems unlikely.

[PhilBlackson]

Trey Murphy is still the dude I’m praying we can pry away from Dumars’ incompetent hands lol

[PushDaRock]

Obviously not for Quickley haha. I never said that.

More like the Deni trade.

2 1sts + 2 nds for a young player with higher upside than their current role.

Teams looking to trade a player like that might be rebuilding, can't afford their next contract or can't find enough minutes for them in their rotation.

When we got IQ, that was the hope as well. We were hoping he would break out when given a bigger role like Deni has, just sometimes doesn't work out.

In what way would you classify avdijas “breakout” different from quickley… his numbers are similar across the board from his Portland seasons, except now he’s getting more touches, a bigger role and more minutes. When quickley first got here, his numbers went up similarly. He also got traded with Rj, another 19 ppg scorer, and this year we brought in Ingram, to take more touches away from him. So what is the expected leap for quickley with the way this team is currently constructed?

This team has gone through a stretch where we were dead last in offense without RJ, so I don't think it was a matter of too many mouths to feed stopping IQ from scoring more. He has been unable to get himself going.

His scoring volume on ok efficiency was fairly encouraging last season albeit on a crap team. His Points PER 36 is down this season to 18.1 from 22.1 last season. That's a fairly significant drop for someone who's primary value is his scoring/shooting. I would say that if his scoring is going to drop, then his efficiency needs to go up to make up for some of that, but his efficiency is also down slightly this season as well.

[PushDaRock]

I want to target a young guard that can be a major core piece moving forward but is still attainable. Someone like a Cason Wallace or Reed Sheppard. Not necessarily those guys since it would be difficult to pry them away, but someone like that.

I would also consider moving IQ to the bench to boost bench scoring. He’s already been paid, so maybe he accepts that role.

Those type of guys aren't getting traded though, and definitely not for IQ.

Cason is definitely attainable since Shai is starting and they also have Ajay Mitchell and others like Topic arriving soon. Reed is attainable as Fred comes back next year.

There is literally no reason to believe Reed would be available.

[nikster]

I mean the real answer is “it depends”

Any of these options are viable depending on what the deal looks like.

And on the other hand, Sometimes the best moves are the ones that never get made.

Yeah I dont see how this is possible the to answer without seeing the actual proposals. Getting an all star player player could be great depending who we get and what we can give up. I can also see making more fringe moves like moving one of our backup SGs for a position that needs more depth. But its hard to say because we have no idea what those trade targets look like, or how other teams value or players etc...

Im also fine with them doing nothing. I really dont see the need for a big change. We just added Ingram, we are relatively young, most of the core is locked up. I really dont see any pressure to make a move just for the sake of making it

[PushDaRock]

When we got IQ, that was the hope as well. We were hoping he would break out when given a bigger role like Deni has, just sometimes doesn't work out.

gary trent jr as well... sometimes things don't go according to plan.

Yeah we got a player making 3 triples a game on 40% shooting who just turned 22, hard to predict he wouldn't get much better.

[TGM]

The problem with IQ is not talent, but he is a microwave scorer. Similar to Lou Williams. Forcing him to play PG becuase of his contract just never made sense. As much as people feel he is unmovable cause of his contract. Never underestimate how one man’s trash is another man’s treasure. IQ stats wise is not a hard sell to fans. Look we got a 25 year PG that can put up 18-6. He probably has potential to go 20-7-4. His shooting percentages aren’t too bad. His turnovers are pretty low. Whenever I’ve doubted a trade I just think about how we moved Bargs to NY. How we got Camby, Novak, Q Rich a first and 2 second still baffles me today.

[F22_Raptor]

Stand pat? NO, they obviously need to address centre position.

Trade for has been star? YES, trade for 'controllable' players (vets) without giving up top prospects such as CMB.

All in? NO, trade for players that make Raps legitimate contenders. Go all in when the exactly time is right similar to Raps past history.

[JB7]

Seems like a good strategy to wait on him to ask for a trade specifically to us

He is probably the only superstar in the league that would possibly be interested in going to the Raps.

For those with championship aspirations, he is the type of player that could deliver.

What does the strategy of waiting on him include?

Simple. Continue to build and invest in the current core to raise their trade value. Also, to hold onto their own picks, and look to enhance the teams depth through drafting. Essentially, avoid any deal that trades away a lot of players and picks, for a short term solution, like AD.

It doesn't mean the team wouldn't make any deal. It would just avoid the large consolidation trades for a short term consideration.

And as has been seen with GSW & the Celtics, the new apron rules under the new CBA force decisions on teams immediately. I think OKC could start to breakup quick after this season. According to Spotrac, OKC's estimated tax bill for next season is $181M. OKC has paid the tax in the past, but that one bill would be larger than what the organization has paid in the entirety of its existence. I don't see that happening, which means Dort and IH are probably the first to go.

[PushDaRock]

He is probably the only superstar in the league that would possibly be interested in going to the Raps.

For those with championship aspirations, he is the type of player that could deliver.

What does the strategy of waiting on him include?

Simple. Continue to build and invest in the current core to raise their trade value. Also, to hold onto their own picks, and look to enhance the teams depth through drafting. Essentially, avoid any deal that trades away a lot of players and picks, for a short term solution, like AD.

It doesn't mean the team wouldn't make any deal. It would just avoid the large consolidation trades for a short term consideration.

And as has been seen with GSW & the Celtics, the new apron rules under the new CBA force decisions on teams immediately. I think OKC could start to breakup quick after this season. According to Spotrac, OKC's estimated tax bill for next season is $181M. OKC has paid the tax in the past, but that one bill would be larger than what the organization has paid in the entirety of its existence. I don't see that happening, which means Dort and IH are probably the first to go.

At what point do you stop waiting for him?

[JB7]

What does the strategy of waiting on him include?

Simple. Continue to build and invest in the current core to raise their trade value. Also, to hold onto their own picks, and look to enhance the teams depth through drafting. Essentially, avoid any deal that trades away a lot of players and picks, for a short term solution, like AD.

It doesn't mean the team wouldn't make any deal. It would just avoid the large consolidation trades for a short term consideration.

And as has been seen with GSW & the Celtics, the new apron rules under the new CBA force decisions on teams immediately. I think OKC could start to breakup quick after this season. According to Spotrac, OKC's estimated tax bill for next season is $181M. OKC has paid the tax in the past, but that one bill would be larger than what the organization has paid in the entirety of its existence. I don't see that happening, which means Dort and IH are probably the first to go.

At what point do you stop waiting for him?

I give it 2-3 years. OKC will compete for a championship this season, IH & Dort's team options won't be picked up this summer, and next season it will become painfully obvious how much it weakens their team D. SGA will be pissed after next season (losing Dort & IH), and then it is a question of how long before he forces something. The other key leverage point is SGA's supermax deal kicks in two seasons from now (2027-28), and his salary jumps by $20M, same year Cason is a RFA. The financial crunch will mean they have less room to maneuver (SGA@$60M, Chet & J-Dub @$45M each, and Caruso @$21M) and they will be solely reliant on their draft picks to fill key roles.

[PushDaRock]

Simple. Continue to build and invest in the current core to raise their trade value. Also, to hold onto their own picks, and look to enhance the teams depth through drafting. Essentially, avoid any deal that trades away a lot of players and picks, for a short term solution, like AD.

It doesn't mean the team wouldn't make any deal. It would just avoid the large consolidation trades for a short term consideration.

And as has been seen with GSW & the Celtics, the new apron rules under the new CBA force decisions on teams immediately. I think OKC could start to breakup quick after this season. According to Spotrac, OKC's estimated tax bill for next season is $181M. OKC has paid the tax in the past, but that one bill would be larger than what the organization has paid in the entirety of its existence. I don't see that happening, which means Dort and IH are probably the first to go.

At what point do you stop waiting for him?

I give it 2-3 years. OKC will compete for a championship this season, IH & Dort's team options won't be picked up this summer, and next season it will become painfully obvious how much it weakens their team D. SGA will be pissed after next season (losing Dort & IH), and then it is a question of how long before he forces something. The other key leverage point is SGA's supermax deal kicks in two seasons from now (2027-28), and his salary jumps by $20M, same year Cason is a RFA. The financial crunch will mean they have less room to maneuver (SGA@$60M, Chet & J-Dub @$45M each, and Caruso @$21M) and they will be solely reliant on their draft picks to fill key roles.

Draft picks filling key roles seems to have worked quite well for them?

[JB7]

At what point do you stop waiting for him?

I give it 2-3 years. OKC will compete for a championship this season, IH & Dort's team options won't be picked up this summer, and next season it will become painfully obvious how much it weakens their team D. SGA will be pissed after next season (losing Dort & IH), and then it is a question of how long before he forces something. The other key leverage point is SGA's supermax deal kicks in two seasons from now (2027-28), and his salary jumps by $20M, same year Cason is a RFA. The financial crunch will mean they have less room to maneuver (SGA@$60M, Chet & J-Dub @$45M each, and Caruso @$21M) and they will be solely reliant on their draft picks to fill key roles.

Draft picks filling key roles seems to have worked quite well for them?

Can Sorber fill IH's role? That will be key. Also, Dort and SGA are close. I can't imagine SGA will be happy if he is let go.

The West is just getting stronger, and teams in the West are coming at OKC's weakness (lack of size/strength).