Official Trade Thread Part XLVII

[dckingsfan]

That's in 2027.

Don't know why, but I thought this was in both years...

Edit: here it is...
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/bulls-trade-compensation-for-second-round-pick-julian-phillips-revealed/3176326/

I must be blocked. Nobody reads me:

As part of the deal, the Rockets have traded guard/forward Cam Whitmore to Washington in exchange for a 2026 second-round pick from Chicago and a 2029 second round pick from Sacramento.

Ah... that completes the puzzle. Thanks.

I guess that wasn't our best trade

[gambitx777]

It's pretty important that we trade CJ we can't keep winning like this

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[nate33]

It's pretty important that we trade CJ we can't keep winning like this

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There are no teams out there with the contract to trade for him. We're going to end up buying him out. But it will look bad to do so prior to the Trade Deadline.

[9 and 20]

What about Orlando? They got Jonathan Isaac's big deal and they still need shooting. Any picks left after trading a fistful for Bane? They also just drafted Jase Richardson so maybe that's an option. Or maybe they need both Kispert and CJ? They could also dump Wendell Carter Jr on us if they'd like to replace him with Bagley, as long as they throw a pick or two our way at the same time.

[penbeast0]

Question: If we don't draft a PG prospect, would you take a swing at Trae Young in the offseason? Otherwise, who would you try to get assuming you don't believe Bub Carrington is an NBA starting 1?

Followup: If we do draft Peterson or a PG prospect, would you try to get a big to play next to Alex Sarr or ride it out with George, Coulibaly, Champagnie, etc. at PF? If a big, would you make a play for Paolo Banchero?

[nate33]

What about Orlando? They got Jonathan Isaac's big deal and they still need shooting. Any picks left after trading a fistful for Bane? They also just drafted Jase Richardson so maybe that's an option. Or maybe they need both Kispert and CJ? They could also dump Wendell Carter Jr on us if they'd like to replace him with Bagley, as long as they throw a pick or two our way at the same time.

Isaac is paid just $15M (and his contract is only guaranteed for $8M next year and not guaranteed thereafter). CJ costs $30M. I don't see how they close that gap except to include Wendell Carter and that would mean trading a starting center to add a backup PG. And with the recent emergence of Black, they don't really even need a backup PG.

The only option is if Houston decides they're not comfortable with just Reed Sheppard at PG and they're willing to trade VanVleet and a late pick for CJ. And my guess is that they'd rather just wait us out and sign him after we buy him out.

[penbeast0]

What about Orlando? They got Jonathan Isaac's big deal and they still need shooting. Any picks left after trading a fistful for Bane? They also just drafted Jase Richardson so maybe that's an option. Or maybe they need both Kispert and CJ? They could also dump Wendell Carter Jr on us if they'd like to replace him with Bagley, as long as they throw a pick or two our way at the same time.

Isaac is paid just $15M (and his contract is only guaranteed for $8M next year and not guaranteed thereafter). CJ costs $30M. I don't see how they close that gap except to include Wendell Carter and that would mean trading a starting center to add a backup PG. And with the recent emergence of Black, they don't really even need a backup PG.

The only option is if Houston decides they're not comfortable with just Reed Sheppard at PG and they're willing to trade VanVleet and a late pick for CJ. And my guess is that they'd rather just wait us out and sign him after we buy him out.

If CJ has value to us in trade, I'd assume it's if we take on someone's big contract they want to lose and we need matching money. Same for Middleton, though CJ has done more to prove his still NBA starter caliber. Meanwhile, both are classy guys so no reason to buy them out early except to (a) give them a chance to play for a playoff team and (b) power the tank.

[popper]

I guess we're not interested in a trade for Garland?

[nate33]

I guess we're not interested in a trade for Garland?

We might be. But Brooklyn is better positioned to save them more instant money in a Garland trade because they have raw cap room.

My guess is that we wouldn't make a big move for a guy like Garland until this summer after we know where we are drafting. I also don't think Cleveland is ready to blow it up yet. I think Cleveland will pay a couple of SRP's to unload Lonzo Ball's $10M into our TPE and thereby save $59M in luxtax, but I think they'll keep Garland for one more run in a weak East before contemplating a major change in roster.

[ledell_gumbo]

If Miami is allowed to trade Rozier, it's pretty easy to construct a CJ trade.

...Or maybe if the Blazers decide they need to dump Grant or Holiday?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

What about Orlando? They got Jonathan Isaac's big deal and they still need shooting. Any picks left after trading a fistful for Bane? They also just drafted Jase Richardson so maybe that's an option. Or maybe they need both Kispert and CJ? They could also dump Wendell Carter Jr on us if they'd like to replace him with Bagley, as long as they throw a pick or two our way at the same time.

Jonathan Isaac is a great trade add on for the Wizards.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Question: If we don't draft a PG prospect, would you take a swing at Trae Young in the offseason? Otherwise, who would you try to get assuming you don't believe Bub Carrington is an NBA starting 1?

Followup: If we do draft Peterson or a PG prospect, would you try to get a big to play next to Alex Sarr or ride it out with George, Coulibaly, Champagnie, etc. at PF? If a big, would you make a play for Paolo Banchero?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/y/youngtr01.html

Yes, I would. Definitely.

Young is a 4-time NBA All-Star. His career averages are roughly 25 points and 10 assists per game. YOUNG ALREADY STARTED IN 27 NBA PLAYOFF GAMES. Can you name any of his teammates?

Trade for Young and enjoy next season. Playoffs would be a certainty just like the year Russ was a Wizard.

Do not mortgage the future in the trade but certainly give CJ, Khris Middleton, and future picks if that's all it takes.

All this garbage about Young's defense and Atlanta winning without him is non sequitur. YOUNG COULD BE BETTER THAN WALL OR ARENAS before all is said and done.

[nate33]

If Miami is allowed to trade Rozier, it's pretty easy to construct a CJ trade.

...Or maybe if the Blazers decide they need to dump Grant or Holiday?

But we don't want Grant or Holiday. And Portland isn't giving up a pick for that. They just signed Holiday this summer, knowing his salary hit.

[nate33]

Question: If we don't draft a PG prospect, would you take a swing at Trae Young in the offseason? Otherwise, who would you try to get assuming you don't believe Bub Carrington is an NBA starting 1?

Followup: If we do draft Peterson or a PG prospect, would you try to get a big to play next to Alex Sarr or ride it out with George, Coulibaly, Champagnie, etc. at PF? If a big, would you make a play for Paolo Banchero?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/y/youngtr01.html

Yes, I would. Definitely.

Young is a 4-time NBA All-Star. His career averages are roughly 25 points and 10 assists per game. YOUNG ALREADY STARTED IN 27 NBA PLAYOFF GAMES. Can you name any of his teammates?

Trade for Young and enjoy next season. Playoffs would be a certainty just like the year Russ was a Wizard.

Do not mortgage the future in the trade but certainly give CJ, Khris Middleton, and future picks if that's all it takes.

All this garbage about Young's defense and Atlanta winning without him is non sequitur. YOUNG COULD BE BETTER THAN WALL OR ARENAS before all is said and done.

Disagree completely. Young gives back on D everything he gets you on O. We have 8 years of data that shows that he doesn't make Atlanta any better. Atlanta has been a middling .500 team with him, and a middling .500 team without him. I wouldn't pay one second round pick for him. I might agree to absorb his salary next summer if Atlanta wanted to dump him, but that's about it.

No-D gunners like Trae Young are a massive liability on a max contract. These days, you pay guys like that MLE type money. Give me Grayson Allen or Coby White at $15M a year over Trae Young at $48M a year any day.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Look at his Play-by-play ages 22, 23, and 24 +/- On and Off data.

Green means good. For three years he was good. 2025-2026 has been a negative outlier.

Unless you can show me your source of all eight years, I believe you're mistaken. Further, the Wizards do not have John Collins or a Bogdanovic starting. Trae Young never had an Alex Sarr or a Kyshawn George or a Tre Johnson.

This Wizards team with Young at PG and Wilson, as a rookie PF, could make a deep playoff run right away.

[payitforward]

I agree. w/ nate on this Moreover, as rosy a picture as one would like to envision right now, we r quite likely still a couple years away from contending -- whereupon Trae Young will be looking 30 in the eye.

If we were to trade for a starting PG, I would certainly prefer Darius Garland. But we don't need to do that, b/c we're getting Peterson for sure!

And, hey, if we don't get Peterson... this draft is rich in promising PGs: Darius Acuff, Keaton Wagler, Christian Anderson, Bennett Stirtz, DJ Wagner, Bruce Thornton... or even Braden Smith -- he's only 6'0" sure, but he's delivering 12 assists per 40 minutes for Purdue this season!! Then there's Silas Demary at 9 assists per 40 minutes....

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I agree. w/ nate on this Moreover, as rosy a picture as one would like to envision right now, we r quite likely still a couple years away from contending -- whereupon Trae Young will be looking 30 in the eye.

If we were to trade for a starting PG, I would certainly prefer Darius Garland. But we don't need to do that, b/c we're getting Peterson for sure!

And, hey, if we don't get Peterson... this draft is rich in promising PGs: Darius Acuff, Keaton Wagler, Christian Anderson, Bennett Stirtz, DJ Wagner, Bruce Thornton... or even Braden Smith -- he's only 6'0" sure, but he's delivering 12 assists per 40 minutes for Purdue this season!! Then there's Silas Demary at 9 assists per 40 minutes....

In that case, you, nate, and everyone else thinking as you are all wrong.



Young expires next season. Buy the stock low, now. You WANT HIM FOR ONE YEAR ONLY. Just like Poole. Only, Trae Young is way better.

Draft Wilson and Thornton or Smith AND trade for Young. Tank with Young BTW. Keep the lottery pick.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

This one is like Queen.

Trae Young is a 4-time All Star that another team wants to give away.

[tontoz]

Atlanta is 2-8 in the games Trae played and they literally built their team around him.

[penbeast0]

Again, we draft BPA. IF that's a guard, Young is superflous. If that's a big man we can play with Sarr, then we see what's there with Phoenix's pick and live with the learning curve if someone we think can be an NBA starting point is there. Or, Bub may figure it out, he's still very young.

Option B is Trae Young or Darius Garland or . . . see if we can get Ajay Mitchell or Nicholas Topic at a reasonable price from OKC (though if OKC was dealing young talent at reasonable prices, I haven't seen evidence of it).