Since Barrett’s injury Raptors offensive rating has plummeted to last in the league

[Indeed]

Currently we are a tax team.

We are a tax team that can easily dodge it if we want to. For all intensive purposes, the tax is not a concern this year.

Barrett will probably in the 22% after next season. Meanwhile a starting C would be in the similar cost of Poeltl

IQ is also a 17.8% guy by the last year of his deal.

If we are keeping Quickley, are we trading Poeltl? Are our current lineup comparable to Celtics or Knicks to be in the Finals?

Unless there are clear upgrade trades, we likely are keeping both.

It is way more likely we are trading IQ or Poeltl + a boat load of picks to try and make a future run with a bigger name guy than it is that we give them away for pennies.

Contrary to popular belief here, there is no rush to trade away all our "win now" pieces just because we are not a 60+ win team contender in 2025-26. That sort of thinking would have led us to trade away Lowry and Demar in 2015 or 2016 after we lost to Washington in the playoffs.

This team is like the 2013-14 Raptors. We didn't give players away after losing to BKN or WAS. We just kept incrementally improving.

Plus, NY and Boston cap hits are 9 and 12 million more than ours and have future 1sts traded away.

Would we be better trading 1sts and adding 9-12 million to our cap hit? Yes. But as you said, it's not the time to be doing those things.

The Celtics without Tatum isn't a tax team.
Meanwhile, it is unfair to compare to Lowry, who is actually performing (much) better than his contract. As for DeRozan, we didn't pay him the max for reason, and once we traded him away, we are not worse. Quickley is performing less than his contract, keeping him instead of developing our players or exploring better value is just not optimizing our lineup and being over the tax.

[YogurtProducer]

We are a tax team that can easily dodge it if we want to. For all intensive purposes, the tax is not a concern this year.

IQ is also a 17.8% guy by the last year of his deal.

Unless there are clear upgrade trades, we likely are keeping both.

It is way more likely we are trading IQ or Poeltl + a boat load of picks to try and make a future run with a bigger name guy than it is that we give them away for pennies.

Contrary to popular belief here, there is no rush to trade away all our "win now" pieces just because we are not a 60+ win team contender in 2025-26. That sort of thinking would have led us to trade away Lowry and Demar in 2015 or 2016 after we lost to Washington in the playoffs.

This team is like the 2013-14 Raptors. We didn't give players away after losing to BKN or WAS. We just kept incrementally improving.

Plus, NY and Boston cap hits are 9 and 12 million more than ours and have future 1sts traded away.

Would we be better trading 1sts and adding 9-12 million to our cap hit? Yes. But as you said, it's not the time to be doing those things.

The Celtics without Tatum isn't a tax team.
Meanwhile, it is unfair to compare to Lowry, who is actually performing (much) better than his contract. As for DeRozan, we didn't pay him the max for reason, and once we traded him away, we are not worse. Quickley is performing less than his contract, keeping him instead of developing our players or exploring better value is just not optimizing our lineup and being over the tax.

We are not a better team if we don’t have IQ. End of story really.

The Celtics also have trades multiple firsts to build out their team and are a completely different stage of team building than we are.

You keep bringing up that tax. The tax isn’t a concern this year, or next. It is foolish to make tax cutting moves that aren’t needed.

[Los_29]

We are a tax team that can easily dodge it if we want to. For all intensive purposes, the tax is not a concern this year.

IQ is also a 17.8% guy by the last year of his deal.

Unless there are clear upgrade trades, we likely are keeping both.

It is way more likely we are trading IQ or Poeltl + a boat load of picks to try and make a future run with a bigger name guy than it is that we give them away for pennies.

Contrary to popular belief here, there is no rush to trade away all our "win now" pieces just because we are not a 60+ win team contender in 2025-26. That sort of thinking would have led us to trade away Lowry and Demar in 2015 or 2016 after we lost to Washington in the playoffs.

This team is like the 2013-14 Raptors. We didn't give players away after losing to BKN or WAS. We just kept incrementally improving.

Plus, NY and Boston cap hits are 9 and 12 million more than ours and have future 1sts traded away.

Would we be better trading 1sts and adding 9-12 million to our cap hit? Yes. But as you said, it's not the time to be doing those things.

The Celtics without Tatum isn't a tax team.
Meanwhile, it is unfair to compare to Lowry, who is actually performing (much) better than his contract. As for DeRozan, we didn't pay him the max for reason, and once we traded him away, we are not worse. Quickley is performing less than his contract, keeping him instead of developing our players or exploring better value is just not optimizing our lineup and being over the tax.

Who are we not developing at the expense of IQ?

[Indeed]

Plus, NY and Boston cap hits are 9 and 12 million more than ours and have future 1sts traded away.

Would we be better trading 1sts and adding 9-12 million to our cap hit? Yes. But as you said, it's not the time to be doing those things.

The Celtics without Tatum isn't a tax team.
Meanwhile, it is unfair to compare to Lowry, who is actually performing (much) better than his contract. As for DeRozan, we didn't pay him the max for reason, and once we traded him away, we are not worse. Quickley is performing less than his contract, keeping him instead of developing our players or exploring better value is just not optimizing our lineup and being over the tax.

Who are we not developing at the expense of IQ?

CMB

[Indeed]

Plus, NY and Boston cap hits are 9 and 12 million more than ours and have future 1sts traded away.

Would we be better trading 1sts and adding 9-12 million to our cap hit? Yes. But as you said, it's not the time to be doing those things.

The Celtics without Tatum isn't a tax team.
Meanwhile, it is unfair to compare to Lowry, who is actually performing (much) better than his contract. As for DeRozan, we didn't pay him the max for reason, and once we traded him away, we are not worse. Quickley is performing less than his contract, keeping him instead of developing our players or exploring better value is just not optimizing our lineup and being over the tax.

We are not a better team if we don’t have IQ. End of story really.

The Celtics also have trades multiple firsts to build out their team and are a completely different stage of team building than we are.

You keep bringing up that tax. The tax isn’t a concern this year, or next. It is foolish to make tax cutting moves that aren’t needed.

I disagree that we are not a better team if we don't have Quickley.

And I disagree that the tax isn't a concern this year.

[DreamTeam09]

The Celtics without Tatum isn't a tax team.
Meanwhile, it is unfair to compare to Lowry, who is actually performing (much) better than his contract. As for DeRozan, we didn't pay him the max for reason, and once we traded him away, we are not worse. Quickley is performing less than his contract, keeping him instead of developing our players or exploring better value is just not optimizing our lineup and being over the tax.

Who are we not developing at the expense of IQ?

CMB

is this green font? a joke ? or am I missing something? is CMB a PG?

[DreamTeam09]

The Celtics without Tatum isn't a tax team.
Meanwhile, it is unfair to compare to Lowry, who is actually performing (much) better than his contract. As for DeRozan, we didn't pay him the max for reason, and once we traded him away, we are not worse. Quickley is performing less than his contract, keeping him instead of developing our players or exploring better value is just not optimizing our lineup and being over the tax.

We are not a better team if we don’t have IQ. End of story really.

The Celtics also have trades multiple firsts to build out their team and are a completely different stage of team building than we are.

You keep bringing up that tax. The tax isn’t a concern this year, or next. It is foolish to make tax cutting moves that aren’t needed.

I disagree that we are not a better team if we don't have Quickley.

And I disagree that the tax isn't a concern this year.

we can literally ship Ochai somewhere, or attach a 2nd to Temple & get outta the tax.

[Los_29]

The Celtics without Tatum isn't a tax team.
Meanwhile, it is unfair to compare to Lowry, who is actually performing (much) better than his contract. As for DeRozan, we didn't pay him the max for reason, and once we traded him away, we are not worse. Quickley is performing less than his contract, keeping him instead of developing our players or exploring better value is just not optimizing our lineup and being over the tax.

Who are we not developing at the expense of IQ?

CMB

How?

[YogurtProducer]

The Celtics without Tatum isn't a tax team.
Meanwhile, it is unfair to compare to Lowry, who is actually performing (much) better than his contract. As for DeRozan, we didn't pay him the max for reason, and once we traded him away, we are not worse. Quickley is performing less than his contract, keeping him instead of developing our players or exploring better value is just not optimizing our lineup and being over the tax.

Who are we not developing at the expense of IQ?

CMB

Wait what the ****

I woukd LOVE to know how IQ is holding back a guy who plays a completely different position

[Indeed]

Who are we not developing at the expense of IQ?

CMB

is this green font? a joke ? or am I missing something? is CMB a PG?

You mean Quickley has the skill to be a PG?
If Quickley is a SG, then there are replacement.

Meanwhile, if Poeltl is back, are we not playing CMB that much?

The fact that Quickley was benched for Shead, and people tell me those benched times are not going for development minutes or other players is just non-sense to me.

[YogurtProducer]

The Celtics without Tatum isn't a tax team.
Meanwhile, it is unfair to compare to Lowry, who is actually performing (much) better than his contract. As for DeRozan, we didn't pay him the max for reason, and once we traded him away, we are not worse. Quickley is performing less than his contract, keeping him instead of developing our players or exploring better value is just not optimizing our lineup and being over the tax.

We are not a better team if we don’t have IQ. End of story really.

The Celtics also have trades multiple firsts to build out their team and are a completely different stage of team building than we are.

You keep bringing up that tax. The tax isn’t a concern this year, or next. It is foolish to make tax cutting moves that aren’t needed.

I disagree that we are not a better team if we don't have Quickley.

And I disagree that the tax isn't a concern this year.

Man, that’s just a **** horrible take.

Hate Quickley all you want, but he’s a positive rotation player in the nba. 30/30 nba teams take IQ and don’t even think twice for a second.

[YogurtProducer]

CMB

is this green font? a joke ? or am I missing something? is CMB a PG?

You mean Quickley has the skill to be a PG?
If Quickley is a SG, then there are replacement.

Meanwhile, if Poeltl is back, are we not playing CMB that much?

The fact that Quickley was benched for Shead, and people tell me those benched times are not going for development minutes or other players is just non-sense to me.

Respectfully, how many drinks did you have during the game tonight? Because I honestly cannot follow wtf it is yore even trying to say

[Los_29]

CMB

is this green font? a joke ? or am I missing something? is CMB a PG?

You mean Quickley has the skill to be a PG?
If Quickley is a SG, then there are replacement.

Meanwhile, if Poeltl is back, are we not playing CMB that much?

The fact that Quickley was benched for Shead, and people tell me those benched times are not going for development minutes or other players is just non-sense to me.

What are you even talking about? This isn't making any sense.

Shead isn't a good player at this point of his career and he's a 2nd rounder but he still manages to play 15-20 minutes a night. CMB is 20 years old who is also playing meaningful minutes and sometimes even starts for this team.

IQ isn't holding anyone back.

We just won by nearly 20 points and are 22-15. We are doing fine.

[Indeed]

We are not a better team if we don’t have IQ. End of story really.

The Celtics also have trades multiple firsts to build out their team and are a completely different stage of team building than we are.

You keep bringing up that tax. The tax isn’t a concern this year, or next. It is foolish to make tax cutting moves that aren’t needed.

I disagree that we are not a better team if we don't have Quickley.

And I disagree that the tax isn't a concern this year.

Man, that’s just a **** horrible take.

Hate Quickley all you want, but he’s a positive rotation player in the nba. 30/30 nba teams take IQ and don’t even think twice for a second.

We can definitely pay a positive rotation player double.
Same thing we traded DeRozan for Leonard, and argued people who against the trade.

[YogurtProducer]

I disagree that we are not a better team if we don't have Quickley.

And I disagree that the tax isn't a concern this year.

Man, that’s just a **** horrible take.

Hate Quickley all you want, but he’s a positive rotation player in the nba. 30/30 nba teams take IQ and don’t even think twice for a second.

We can definitely pay a positive rotation player double.
Same thing we traded DeRozan for Leonard, and argued people who against the trade.

What does “pay a positive rotation player double” even mean?

I don’t know what Demar or Kawhi have to do with IQ either.

[Indeed]

is this green font? a joke ? or am I missing something? is CMB a PG?

You mean Quickley has the skill to be a PG?
If Quickley is a SG, then there are replacement.

Meanwhile, if Poeltl is back, are we not playing CMB that much?

The fact that Quickley was benched for Shead, and people tell me those benched times are not going for development minutes or other players is just non-sense to me.

What are you even talking about? This isn't making any sense.

Shead isn't a good player at this point of his career and he's a 2nd rounder but he still manages to play 15-20 minutes a night. CMB is 20 years old who is also playing meaningful minutes and sometimes even starts for this team.

IQ isn't holding anyone back.

We just won by nearly 20 points and are 22-15. We are doing fine.

The fit wasn't there.
People claim we need shooting, but I disagree.

[DreamTeam09]

You mean Quickley has the skill to be a PG?
If Quickley is a SG, then there are replacement.

Meanwhile, if Poeltl is back, are we not playing CMB that much?

The fact that Quickley was benched for Shead, and people tell me those benched times are not going for development minutes or other players is just non-sense to me.

What are you even talking about? This isn't making any sense.

Shead isn't a good player at this point of his career and he's a 2nd rounder but he still manages to play 15-20 minutes a night. CMB is 20 years old who is also playing meaningful minutes and sometimes even starts for this team.

IQ isn't holding anyone back.

We just won by nearly 20 points and are 22-15. We are doing fine.

The fit wasn't there.
People claim we need shooting, but I disagree.

we are in the 20s when it comes to several 3pt stats, we definitely need more 3s and a PG shooter like IQ,

Shead is shooting 36% 32% n 76% - offensively how are you applauding that?

[Los_29]

You mean Quickley has the skill to be a PG?
If Quickley is a SG, then there are replacement.

Meanwhile, if Poeltl is back, are we not playing CMB that much?

The fact that Quickley was benched for Shead, and people tell me those benched times are not going for development minutes or other players is just non-sense to me.

What are you even talking about? This isn't making any sense.

Shead isn't a good player at this point of his career and he's a 2nd rounder but he still manages to play 15-20 minutes a night. CMB is 20 years old who is also playing meaningful minutes and sometimes even starts for this team.

IQ isn't holding anyone back.

We just won by nearly 20 points and are 22-15. We are doing fine.

The fit wasn't there.
People claim we need shooting, but I disagree.

Just stop it, you're all over the place. lol.

[Indeed]

What are you even talking about? This isn't making any sense.

Shead isn't a good player at this point of his career and he's a 2nd rounder but he still manages to play 15-20 minutes a night. CMB is 20 years old who is also playing meaningful minutes and sometimes even starts for this team.

IQ isn't holding anyone back.

We just won by nearly 20 points and are 22-15. We are doing fine.

The fit wasn't there.
People claim we need shooting, but I disagree.

we are in the 20s when it comes to several 3pt stats, we definitely need more 3s and a PG shooter like IQ,

Shead is shooting 36% 32% n 76% - offensively how are you applauding that?

We were top 6 in 3 point shooting before Barrett was injuried. Shead was shooting 44% from 3. How are you applauding that?

[YogurtProducer]

The fit wasn't there.
People claim we need shooting, but I disagree.

we are in the 20s when it comes to several 3pt stats, we definitely need more 3s and a PG shooter like IQ,

Shead is shooting 36% 32% n 76% - offensively how are you applauding that?

We were top 6 in 3 point shooting before Barrett was injuried. Shead was shooting 44% from 3. How are you applauding that?

Shead was shooting 42% on a whopping 43 attempts when RJ got hurt... That is like the definition of small sample size man.

He has shot 29% on 84 attempts since then, and shot 32% on 223 attempts last year.

Absolutely laughable to try and suggest 17 games and 43 attempts to start the year is meaningful in any way.