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PG (Atl): Raps take Hawk Two-Ah in Toronto (25/26 edition)

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Re: PG (Atl): Raps take Hawk Two-Ah in Toronto (25/26 edition) 

Post#161 » by PushDaRock » Tue Jan 6, 2026 6:52 am

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Boogie! wrote:Side note but it’s crazy how many players are still playing at a star level well into their late 30s. You never saw this 10-20 years ago… when guys were 36-37 they were pretty much player coaches. Now you have LeBron, Durant, curry still outplaying some of the new up and coming “stars”


What was that crazy observation Devlin made? From Agbaji's draft class.....only 9 of 60 players signed an extension after their rookie contracts?

It was something like that. That's insane. Also really puts into perspective spending 3 years spamming the board with negative posts about moving from 21 to 32 in the draft lol.

A few things are worth emphasizing:

The draft has steadily become more and more unpredictable. 3 of the top 4 players in the league currently were drafted outside the top 10. That was never the case in the 80s, 90s, 00s. The best team in the league has only 1 top 10 pick in their rotation.

There are more and more undrafted players attaining successful careers. FVV is no longer some crazy anomaly.

Younger players are taking far longer to develop and contribute meaningfully to winning (i've been wondering about a methodology to test this).

Non-american players have surged and constitute the highest percentage of top 50 players ever.

Many star players and role players are more relevant into their mid to late 30s than ever before.

I think it’s cause the game is played horizontally now. The gather step and giving the offence every advantage has extended careers.


and torn ACL's and Achilles Tendons
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Re: PG (Atl): Raps take Hawk Two-Ah in Toronto (25/26 edition) 

Post#162 » by MiamiSPX » Tue Jan 6, 2026 11:23 am

7 guys in double figures and yet none cracked 20 points, that is my kind of win.

CMB has arrived, what a game. BI brought it defensively. Dude has really bought in, and as most of us know, he loves Darko and the city. One of the best trades in our team's history.

RJ makes such a difference, but man, please work on those FTs.

When Barnes was guarding him, Jalen Johnson wanted no part of it. It will be downright criminal if Scottie doesn't make All-Defensive this season.
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Re: PG (Atl): Raps take Hawk Two-Ah in Toronto (25/26 edition) 

Post#163 » by Tripod » Tue Jan 6, 2026 11:50 am

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Philly should've beat the Nuggets.

I see the Hornets rising to around .500 and in the mix for the the 7th or 8th seed; the #1 or 2 seed might get upset.

Nuggets reserves are pretty good. No accident us or Philly lost in close games.

Hornets are imo much better than their record shows.


No, Denver's reserves aren't good at all lol

There's no way Philly should be losing to them when they're missing their entire starting lineup and 2 of their top bench scorers as well, but Denver got an outlier shooting game from a lot of random guys and pulled it out.

So Nuggets beat us, beat Philly, and lost to Cavs only because Cavs went on a 10-0 run to end the game, but are trash?

Sometimes it's about a team system/ coach that makes losing guys hurt less. Nuggets have a great system. Celtics are the same way. They both can plug and play when guys miss games.

Just watch, Nuggets will beat more teams in the East this month without Jokic. And we want that!
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Re: PG (Atl): Raps take Hawk Two-Ah in Toronto (25/26 edition) 

Post#164 » by NinjaBro » Tue Jan 6, 2026 11:59 am

Madvillainy2004 wrote:Lmao i dont think this fanbase will ever be satisfied with a PG tbh. IQ had 16 points on 62 TS% and was +8 far from a bad game. He had 0 assists but he was working off ball a lot and we had 34 assists as a team anyways.


It's not just this fan base. Darko was so disgusted with Quickley in the 4th quarter that he benched him for the 2nd time in 3 games and have Shead close out the game.
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Re: PG (Atl): Raps take Hawk Two-Ah in Toronto (25/26 edition) 

Post#165 » by JCP11 » Tue Jan 6, 2026 12:24 pm

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mihaic wrote:In other news:
The Hornets blew out the Thunder in Oklahoma.
Undermanned Nuggets beat Philly in OT.

Although we should beat the Hornets, I've thought they've played well against us.

Their record might not show it but they have a lot of talent and this is what it looks like when everything clicks for them.
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Re: PG (Atl): Raps take Hawk Two-Ah in Toronto (25/26 edition) 

Post#166 » by lobosloboslobos » Tue Jan 6, 2026 12:33 pm

mihaic wrote:In other news:
The Hornets blew out the Thunder in Oklahoma.
Undermanned Nuggets beat Philly in OT.


Kon Knippel is the kshizz

And undermanned is understating it in a big way. Nuggets played without 6 of their 7 most played guys - Jokic, Murray, Gordon, Braun, Hardaway and Cam Johnson, and were also without Valanciunas. and they only dressed 9 guys and they still beat the sadass sixers. :)

i mean they were undermanned when they beat us but this is another level
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Re: PG (Atl): Raps take Hawk Two-Ah in Toronto (25/26 edition) 

Post#167 » by MoneyBall » Tue Jan 6, 2026 12:49 pm

I thought Trea was gonna play when I saw him warming up during pre-game. He was making shots from the logo like they were free throws.
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Re: PG (Atl): Raps take Hawk Two-Ah in Toronto (25/26 edition) 

Post#168 » by MoneyBall » Tue Jan 6, 2026 12:54 pm

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Madvillainy2004 wrote:Lmao i dont think this fanbase will ever be satisfied with a PG tbh. IQ had 16 points on 62 TS% and was +8 far from a bad game. He had 0 assists but he was working off ball a lot and we had 34 assists as a team anyways.


It's not just this fan base. Darko was so disgusted with Quickley in the 4th quarter that he benched him for the 2nd time in 3 games and have Shead close out the game.

So I get Quickley did ok with points, but watching him play last night he felt completely invisible. His impact felt so underwhelming.

On the other hand, CMB had his best game ever and his chemistry with Dick was noticeable. They complimented eachother very well last night.
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Re: PG (Atl): Raps take Hawk Two-Ah in Toronto (25/26 edition) 

Post#169 » by Dexjackson » Tue Jan 6, 2026 1:02 pm

MiamiSPX wrote:7 guys in double figures and yet none cracked 20 points, that is my kind of win.

CMB has arrived, what a game. BI brought it defensively. Dude has really bought in, and as most of us know, he loves Darko and the city. One of the best trades in our team's history.

RJ makes such a difference, but man, please work on those FTs.

When Barnes was guarding him, Jalen Johnson wanted no part of it. It will be downright criminal if Scottie doesn't make All-Defensive this season.


CMB is just a baller. Smart and instinctual player who hustle are my favorite. I'm looking forward to seeing his development over the new few years. I think he could be a borderline star and if not at least he should easily be an impact starter for a long time.

BI's defense has been trending up. Last night he was awesome. Most engaged I have seen him. He made quite a few hustle plays. Yes he does have limitations defensively but he also has strengths with his massive length. Last night to me was exactly how he needs to play defensively. Seems like a great dude. Love the silent assassin to his game.

Barnes seems to have that impact on the defensive end. I've noticed players either try to get Scottie off of them right away by calling for a screen or they just pass the ball off. Haven't seen too many players try to attack him one on one.
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Re: PG (Atl): Raps take Hawk Two-Ah in Toronto (25/26 edition) 

Post#170 » by Dexjackson » Tue Jan 6, 2026 1:13 pm

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Madvillainy2004 wrote:Lmao i dont think this fanbase will ever be satisfied with a PG tbh. IQ had 16 points on 62 TS% and was +8 far from a bad game. He had 0 assists but he was working off ball a lot and we had 34 assists as a team anyways.


It's not just this fan base. Darko was so disgusted with Quickley in the 4th quarter that he benched him for the 2nd time in 3 games and have Shead close out the game.


I'm honestly happy to see Darko bench someone to send a message. IQ has been so frustrating, he obviously is an elite shooter but he also has limitations which just don't make sense. As a twitchy player, how does he struggle so much staying in front of his player defensively? He should be at least average. He just seems lazy on that end...especially when you compare him to Barnes, CMB, Shead, JKW, etc.

With his pace, how can he not beat anyone off the dribble? He kills so many advantages because he doesn't have any bag offensively. When the defense is trying to recover, a PG should at the very least not allow them to recover. Ideally your PG builds on this advantage (E.g. like Kyle did for us for years). IQ allows them to recover because he is way too passive, has no handle, and seems to be trying to think his way to scoring rather than having much instinct.
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Re: PG (Atl): Raps take Hawk Two-Ah in Toronto (25/26 edition) 

Post#171 » by bartron_44 » Tue Jan 6, 2026 2:08 pm

For a guy who was born in NY, and played 4 years at SETON HALL, his game is as Euro as his name sounds. Before looking it up, I fully expected to see Mamu spent some time in the Euro leagues before getting drafted 54th overall in 2021. He just has a more complete game because he spent 4 years in college, and has had to fight his way into the league.

I still think he and CMB are the best 2 they have to play with BI, SB and RJ.
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Re: PG (Atl): Raps take Hawk Two-Ah in Toronto (25/26 edition) 

Post#172 » by traps#10 » Tue Jan 6, 2026 2:10 pm

Either bring Poeltl off the bench when he’s back or trade him. CMB should start
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Post#173 » by Jadoogar » Tue Jan 6, 2026 2:12 pm

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extremely tempting to just dump Poeltl.
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Post#174 » by djsunyc » Tue Jan 6, 2026 2:12 pm

traps#10 wrote:Either bring Poeltl off the bench when he’s back or trade him. CMB should start


hawks are a good matchup but let's see how our guys fare against a bigger center. jonas was having his way with us until he got hurt.
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Re: PG (Atl): Raps take Hawk Two-Ah in Toronto (25/26 edition) 

Post#175 » by Thaddy » Tue Jan 6, 2026 2:14 pm

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Thaddy wrote:If we had Trae instead of IQ it wouldn't have been much different. I don't think he's a difference maker, if we take the ball out of Ingram's hands and put it into Trae we're moving laterally. We need a 3+D guard that can nail a high volume of threes and get around screens and be pesky. Shead is almost there but we need to see more from him in terms of shooting. But he's shooting 36% from the field right now and hitting 32% of his 3s. I don't think Shead's even a NBA player, the love for him here is weird.


lmao how do you have him as "almost there" while in the next sentence, he's not even an NBA player?

It's my description of him. He's there on defense and completely not there on offense. But he'll fool you if you're using the eye test.
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Post#176 » by kwajo » Tue Jan 6, 2026 2:17 pm

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extremely tempting to just dump Poeltl.


I like CMB a lot, but expecting consistent starting performance from almost any rookie big man is asking a great deal. If we give him the starting role, expect a lot of great games and a lot of frustrating games as he learns the league. Most big men take at least a couple seasons to get their footing in the NBA.
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Post#177 » by ArthurVandelay » Tue Jan 6, 2026 2:21 pm

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extremely tempting to just dump Poeltl.


Will be interesting to see how they/CMB play vs big bodies in Queta and if Embiid plays.
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Post#178 » by Thaddy » Tue Jan 6, 2026 2:27 pm

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extremely tempting to just dump Poeltl.


Will be interesting to see how they/CMB play vs big bodies in Queta and if Embiid plays.

The way CMB went at Wemby I doubt it'll be a problem. It'll give us some advantages that we can use against bigger centers. We will need to push the pace and abuse the pick and roll. It will require our shooters to actually hit their spots. To be very direct, it means IQ needs to be much better than what he's shown.
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Post#179 » by TheGeneral99 » Tue Jan 6, 2026 2:33 pm

Next 5 games will be crucial for us because in mid January we have a very tough west coast road trip that includes the Lakers, Warriors and Thunder. Hopefully Yak is back by then.
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Post#180 » by Jadoogar » Tue Jan 6, 2026 2:34 pm

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extremely tempting to just dump Poeltl.


I like CMB a lot, but expecting consistent starting performance from almost any rookie big man is asking a great deal. If we give him the starting role, expect a lot of great games and a lot of frustrating games as he learns the league. Most big men take at least a couple seasons to get their footing in the NBA.


i don't disagree, CMB will go through ups and downs. Plus he's not a real center and we've have tried to use players of this ilk as full time centers and it didn't go well (cough Precious).

But it's not like Poeltl is playing anyways. He might also just be cooked at this point and the contract is going to look worse and worse.

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