[Stein] - Hawks More Open To Trading Trae Young; Would Include Zaccharie Risacher In Right Deal

[LoveMyRaps]

It'll be interesting to see if our name pops up in the whole Trae saga within the next 24 hours.
Hawks FO was in Toronto for the past 72+ hours. Talks must've taken place, and if the interest is legit, it'll be revealed.

If Stein (or heck even his disciple Fischer) links the Raps to Trae - it's very legit.

I thought the Trae and Toronto were another smoke screen. But after seeing Scottie and Trae, I'm not so sure.

Could've just been checking up on his health. They're friends.

If Raps were legit interested, Stein would've reported it by now!

[ForeverTFC]

I am shocked at all the people that prefer Trae over IQ. Trae is a dramatically worse defender, a worse 3pt shooter, and unable to exist off ball. All he has going for him is the assist numbers which require that he runs the entire offense and take up a lot of usage.

Just no. Trae Young is a losing player. Keep IQ.

[God Squad]

It'll be interesting to see if our name pops up in the whole Trae saga within the next 24 hours.
Hawks FO was in Toronto for the past 72+ hours. Talks must've taken place, and if the interest is legit, it'll be revealed.

If Stein (or heck even his disciple Fischer) links the Raps to Trae - it's very legit.

I thought the Trae and Toronto were another smoke screen. But after seeing Scottie and Trae, I'm not so sure.

Could've just been checking up on his health. They're friends.

If Raps were legit interested, Stein would've reported it by now!

Are they friends? First I'm hearing of it. Probably nothing then.

[causal_fan]

I want absolutely no part of Trae. To me it's a classic grass is greener situation, right now Trae is the (somewhat) shiny new toy that can be had for a moderate price. Once he's here it's all "he's a turnstile!", "he's a chucker!", "he dribbles the air out of the ball!", "he's overpaid!".

Give me IQ and that first any day of the week over Trae. Small, no-defense, ball-dominant guards that are paid like stars have no place in the current NBA, and I'd be shocked if our FO saw it differently.

Don't forget RJ and BI came here as higher usage players with flaws in their game.

I think there is a better, more efficient version of Trae young than we have seen. Whatever team gets him is going to have the extension locked up. Trae is going to have a lot of doubters to prove wrong.

He'd be pretty exciting on this team. No more Barnes and 4 subs. Someone who gets to the line 8 times per game. A threat to shoot from anywhere. Someone who can get to wherever they want on the floor.

If you're getting him and shedding poorly aging contracts or guys who aren't in long term plans and no firsts, it is a gamble worth taking in my opinion. It is a move right up there with BI.

I always get a kick out of people waxing poetically about players on other teams being a great fit on the Raptors while ignoring their flaws - I'm sure it's the same for other fan bases - the grass is always greener syndrome - I'd say a firm no to Trae Young, maybe their is an excellent player there somewhere but I'd rather some other team take that gamble.

[LoveMyRaps]

I thought the Trae and Toronto were another smoke screen. But after seeing Scottie and Trae, I'm not so sure.

Could've just been checking up on his health. They're friends.

If Raps were legit interested, Stein would've reported it by now!

Are they friends? First, I'm hearing of it. Probably nothing then.

They've worked out over the summer together.

And also:

[TheRaptor!]

If we want to go after a vet, Trae is the play. He's still only 27 and his value is at an all-time low right now. If he can regain his 2021-22 form, that's a top-20 player, arguably top-15. Trae playing to his potential is in that Brunson, Mitchell, Booker tier of player.

Just wanna say Steph not playing D isn’t true. He’s so damn smart that his team D is actually really freaking good.

Who knows, with Trae having a lesser offensive role maybe he can try harder on D

Maybe a non poverty organization can get Trae to play with more accountability, maybe our long boys can cover him

Its worth a risk given what he can bring on the offensive end

[ArthurVandelay]

I want absolutely no part of Trae. To me it's a classic grass is greener situation, right now Trae is the (somewhat) shiny new toy that can be had for a moderate price. Once he's here it's all "he's a turnstile!", "he's a chucker!", "he dribbles the air out of the ball!", "he's overpaid!".

Give me IQ and that first any day of the week over Trae. Small, no-defense, ball-dominant guards that are paid like stars have no place in the current NBA, and I'd be shocked if our FO saw it differently.

Don't forget RJ and BI came here as higher usage players with flaws in their game.

I think there is a better, more efficient version of Trae young than we have seen. Whatever team gets him is going to have the extension locked up. Trae is going to have a lot of doubters to prove wrong.

He'd be pretty exciting on this team. No more Barnes and 4 subs. Someone who gets to the line 8 times per game. A threat to shoot from anywhere. Someone who can get to wherever they want on the floor.

If you're getting him and shedding poorly aging contracts or guys who aren't in long term plans and no firsts, it is a gamble worth taking in my opinion. It is a move right up there with BI.

I always get a kick out of people waxing poetically about players on other teams being a great fit on the Raptors while ignoring their flaws - I'm sure it's the same for other fan bases - the grass is always greener syndrome - I'd say a firm no to Trae Young, maybe their is an excellent player there somewhere but I'd rather some other team take that gamble.

Waxing poetically thanks

But everyone knows his flaws. Is there a better version of him? I think so. That better version would also address his flaws (decreasing ball dominance, playing within flow of team, more effort on D). It’s definitely a gamble. But you’re also talking about the best passer and one of the best creators in the game today. We are talking about a 25/10 player, they don’t grow on trees. We are also talking about a guy who took his teams to the Conference Finals on the largest stage in the NBA in Madison Square Garden. Dude has big balls and a bruised ego. No firsts and swap out Quickley? I think it’s a no brainer. The risk reward is equal to or greater than BI.

[ArthurVandelay]

I want absolutely no part of Trae. To me it's a classic grass is greener situation, right now Trae is the (somewhat) shiny new toy that can be had for a moderate price. Once he's here it's all "he's a turnstile!", "he's a chucker!", "he dribbles the air out of the ball!", "he's overpaid!".

Give me IQ and that first any day of the week over Trae. Small, no-defense, ball-dominant guards that are paid like stars have no place in the current NBA, and I'd be shocked if our FO saw it differently.

Don't forget RJ and BI came here as higher usage players with flaws in their game.

I think there is a better, more efficient version of Trae young than we have seen. Whatever team gets him is going to have the extension locked up. Trae is going to have a lot of doubters to prove wrong.

He'd be pretty exciting on this team. No more Barnes and 4 subs. Someone who gets to the line 8 times per game. A threat to shoot from anywhere. Someone who can get to wherever they want on the floor.

If you're getting him and shedding poorly aging contracts or guys who aren't in long term plans and no firsts, it is a gamble worth taking in my opinion. It is a move right up there with BI.

I always get a kick out of people waxing poetically about players on other teams being a great fit on the Raptors while ignoring their flaws - I'm sure it's the same for other fan bases - the grass is always greener syndrome - I'd say a firm no to Trae Young, maybe their is an excellent player there somewhere but I'd rather some other team take that gamble.

Waxing poetically thanks

But everyone knows his flaws. Is there a better version of him? I think so. That better version would also address his flaws (decreasing ball dominance, playing within flow of team, more effort on D). It’s definitely a gamble. But you’re also talking about the best passer and one of the best creators in the game today. We are talking about a 25/10 player, they don’t grow on trees. We are also talking about a guy who took his teams to the Conference Finals on the largest stage in the NBA in Madison Square Garden. Dude has big balls and a bruised ego. No firsts and swap out Quickley? I think it’s a no brainer. The risk reward is equal to or greater than BI.

[bboyskinnylegs]

aside from the defense which seems hopeless, what worries me with Trae is his need to dominate the ball and his declining 3pt shooting. His playmaking, and ability to handle the ball and make plays under pressure is definitely something that would help us. It becomes a question of what are you giving up to get him and what kind of contract is he agreeing to extend here at. If you can get him for something like IQ+Ochai+Gradey, and he's willing to sign a BI-level extension, maybe that is worth considering. If it gets more expensive than that you start wondering if you're really coming out ahead as a team. And there is still the question of if he can tweak the way he plays to be more effective.

Personally I think the perfect fit is Garland. Can play well both on and off the ball, shoots from 3 well, is an excellent playmaker that gets into the paint and creates easy looks for teammates, signed to a less expensive deal, and the Cavs themselves may be motivated to perform a shakeup and reduce their league-leading payroll for a team that is barely in the East playoffs right now. Won't come as cheap as Trae, but I think we'd be a really dangerous team with him.

[HumbleRen]

Don't forget RJ and BI came here as higher usage players with flaws in their game.

I think there is a better, more efficient version of Trae young than we have seen. Whatever team gets him is going to have the extension locked up. Trae is going to have a lot of doubters to prove wrong.

He'd be pretty exciting on this team. No more Barnes and 4 subs. Someone who gets to the line 8 times per game. A threat to shoot from anywhere. Someone who can get to wherever they want on the floor.

If you're getting him and shedding poorly aging contracts or guys who aren't in long term plans and no firsts, it is a gamble worth taking in my opinion. It is a move right up there with BI.

I always get a kick out of people waxing poetically about players on other teams being a great fit on the Raptors while ignoring their flaws - I'm sure it's the same for other fan bases - the grass is always greener syndrome - I'd say a firm no to Trae Young, maybe their is an excellent player there somewhere but I'd rather some other team take that gamble.

Waxing poetically thanks

But everyone knows his flaws. Is there a better version of him? I think so. That better version would also address his flaws (decreasing ball dominance, playing within flow of team, more effort on D). It’s definitely a gamble. But you’re also talking about the best passer and one of the best creators in the game today. We are talking about a 25/10 player, they don’t grow on trees. We are also talking about a guy who took his teams to the Conference Finals on the largest stage in the NBA in Madison Square Garden. Dude has big balls and a bruised ego. No firsts and swap out Quickley? I think it’s a no brainer. The risk reward is equal to or greater than BI.

Agreed. Look at how much better our players play when Shead is dishing out assists. Trae can do all of that but like 10X better.

The danger is defence though, do we have the infrastructure to hide him enough to where it doesn’t make us a bottom 10 defence? Who knows. Either way I don’t see FO doing this trade.

[Raps in 4]

If we want to go after a vet, Trae is the play. He's still only 27 and his value is at an all-time low right now. If he can regain his 2021-22 form, that's a top-20 player, arguably top-15. Trae playing to his potential is in that Brunson, Mitchell, Booker tier of player.

Just wanna say Steph not playing D isn’t true. He’s so damn smart that his team D is actually really freaking good.

Who knows, with Trae having a lesser offensive role maybe he can try harder on D

Maybe a non poverty organization can get Trae to play with more accountability, maybe our long boys can cover him

Its worth a risk given what he can bring on the offensive end

Trae would instantly be the third best scorer in our franchise's history lol. He's sucked the last few years, which has diminished his reputation, but I think he can still revert to the Trae of old if he's motivated. It's not like he's physically regressed.

[LoveMyRaps]

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Damn man I want Trae

[sidsid]

As expected, Trae's negative contract is going to cost draft assets to move if they wanted straight expirings.

What's interesting here is that this would signal the Hawks potentially wanting to stay out of the tax entirely in an AD trade, instead of just avoiding the 2nd apron (the Daniels extension looming large here). Tough part is that the Mavs also want draft capital so that makes it an even more expensive trade if you're not willing to go there and just tack on salary for Trae in a separate deal.

This trade only goes down if AD is locked up, or else I just expect them to play it out and then dangle Trae as an expiring contract this offseason.

[YogurtProducer]

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Damn man I want Trae

I mean, worst case it is a ton of fun to watch us go into a win-now mode

The scary part is though lets say Trae comes here and just has a monster end of the year. Like goes back to averaging 28/10 like he did 3 or 4 years ago. he 100% is gonna opt out and ask for a max and then we are just **** salary wise.

That is the scary part to me. Worst case he sucks and we gain nothing. Best case he blows up and he **** our salary. Is that even good for us?

[mdenny]

But what is the issue exactly? Our offence for the most part is not initiated or ran by IQ because we have players like Ingram and Barnes at the 3 and 4 who are pretty good initiators and playmakers for their positions.

But his deficiencies as a PG are vastly overstated on this board. What PG are you getting to replace IQ that is going to "be good at being a PG" that makes a difference? Oh yeah, and don't forget he also is our best shooter and is still a solid defender at the 1.

You literally are just complaining he is not an all-star caliber player. Because if you get an upgrade on IQ that is what you are asking for.

I mean he’s a good player, just not what we need from our guard.

He has less than 10 assists when he’s touched the paint this year. You know how bad that is for an offence that barely has any rim pressure? It’s not really his fault but on a team that has BI and Scottie, we need any semblance of rim pressure and IQ just doesn’t provide that.

It’s why Shead looks so much better when that his numbers show because he can create an advantage by getting past his defender and touch the paint despite being an abysmal rim finisher and shooter.

We’ve been bottom 3 in offence when RJ has been out, it’s not because RJ is an offensive god but because he’s our only guard that can consistently apply rim pressure.

It's hard to have it all from one player. If you have a PG that can generate rim pressure and make 3's on high volume, what caliber player are we talking about there?

What you describe....isn't that Trae in a nutshell?

[TheRaptor!]

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Damn man I want Trae

His presence alone would elevate our entire team

Scottie just want to play D and be the ultimate glue guy, Poetl only wants gimmes and putbacks, we only have 3 mouths to feed. Trae, BI and RJ

Imagine the playoffs when the game slows down and its all ISO ball in the half court and neither BI or Trae can be doubled or sagged off.... The guys is called Ice Trae for a reason.

Our current flaws will get EXPOSED in the playoffs. You guys won't like what you see this playoffs and its not due to inexperience but rather lack of offensive skill.

[ForeverTFC]

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Damn man I want Trae

I mean, worst case it is a ton of fun to watch us go into a win-now mode

The scary part is though lets say Trae comes here and just has a monster end of the year. Like goes back to averaging 28/10 like he did 3 or 4 years ago. he 100% is gonna opt out and ask for a max and then we are just **** salary wise.

That is the scary part to me. Worst case he sucks and we gain nothing. Best case he blows up and he **** our salary. Is that even good for us?

We're already in win now mode and the Trae Young experience hasn't been fun for years.

The move is Lamelo, not Young.

[Tripod]

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Damn man I want Trae

I mean, worst case it is a ton of fun to watch us go into a win-now mode

The scary part is though lets say Trae comes here and just has a monster end of the year. Like goes back to averaging 28/10 like he did 3 or 4 years ago. he 100% is gonna opt out and ask for a max and then we are just **** salary wise.

That is the scary part to me. Worst case he sucks and we gain nothing. Best case he blows up and he **** our salary. Is that even good for us?

Is an acquiring team allowed to do an extension deal right away on him?

Nba has odd rules, so thought I would ask

[ForeverTFC]

I am flying a "Fire Bobby" banner over the ACC if he trades for Trae.

[TheRaptor!]

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Damn man I want Trae

I mean, worst case it is a ton of fun to watch us go into a win-now mode

The scary part is though lets say Trae comes here and just has a monster end of the year. Like goes back to averaging 28/10 like he did 3 or 4 years ago. he 100% is gonna opt out and ask for a max and then we are just **** salary wise.

That is the scary part to me. Worst case he sucks and we gain nothing. Best case he blows up and he **** our salary. Is that even good for us?

He cannot averag 28/10 because he's playing with BI RJ and Scottie

I'd say 22/12 is more realistic

Who tf cares about his D when the best PGs in the NBA includes guys like Brunson, Doncic, and Lillard

you know who are great defensive PGs? Davion Mitchell and Jamal Shead. Back ups, role players trying to find their niche and value in the NBA