[Stein] - Hawks More Open To Trading Trae Young; Would Include Zaccharie Risacher In Right Deal

[bboyskinnylegs]

Is an acquiring team allowed to do an extension deal right away on him?

Nba has odd rules, so thought I would ask

we did it with Ingram. That's what any discussions involving Trae's agents and other teams would be revolving around right now. No team is going to trade for him without some clarity on his future with them.

[dhackett1565]

I'm not remotely convinced that IQ is that much worse than Trae. I think people are really underselling the difference in their defence. IQ is not that bad. And I think people are really overselling how much he'd help on offence - especially when you consider the additional cost he comes with (or the additional talent that would need to be outgoing otherwise).

[mdenny]

aside from the defense which seems hopeless, what worries me with Trae is his need to dominate the ball and his declining 3pt shooting. His playmaking, and ability to handle the ball and make plays under pressure is definitely something that would help us. It becomes a question of what are you giving up to get him and what kind of contract is he agreeing to extend here at. If you can get him for something like IQ+Ochai+Gradey, and he's willing to sign a BI-level extension, maybe that is worth considering. If it gets more expensive than that you start wondering if you're really coming out ahead as a team. And there is still the question of if he can tweak the way he plays to be more effective.

Personally I think the perfect fit is Garland. Can play well both on and off the ball, shoots from 3 well, is an excellent playmaker that gets into the paint and creates easy looks for teammates, signed to a less expensive deal, and the Cavs themselves may be motivated to perform a shakeup and reduce their league-leading payroll for a team that is barely in the East playoffs right now. Won't come as cheap as Trae, but I think we'd be a really dangerous team with him.

Your point about easy buckets is crucial in understanding Trae's upside. His assists aren't the generic pass along the perimeter for a semi-contested shot. He produces and manufactures ALOT of layups and wide open shots (which is part and parcel of the getting into the paint factor).

Not all assists are created equal and Trae's assists tend to be on the very high quality type. The other thing not being mentioned is how good he is at the picknroll at which he's top 10 in the league. Him and Poetl's soft hands could be a great, consistent option for that.

[ForeverTFC]

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Damn man I want Trae

I mean, worst case it is a ton of fun to watch us go into a win-now mode

The scary part is though lets say Trae comes here and just has a monster end of the year. Like goes back to averaging 28/10 like he did 3 or 4 years ago. he 100% is gonna opt out and ask for a max and then we are just **** salary wise.

That is the scary part to me. Worst case he sucks and we gain nothing. Best case he blows up and he **** our salary. Is that even good for us?

He cannot averag 28/10 because he's playing with BI RJ and Scottie

I'd say 22/12 is more realistic

Who tf cares about his D when the best PGs in the NBA includes guys like Brunson, Doncic, and Lillard

you know who are great defensive PGs? Davion Mitchell and Jamal Shead. Back ups, role players trying to find their niche and value in the NBA

There is below average defense, and historically bad defense.

What’s your reaction to Trae Young and the Hawks working toward a trade?
Tom Haberstroh: It’s about time. The Hawks have clearly checked out with Young on the floor, allowing 126.2 points per 100 possessions with Ice Trae on the court this season. That’s the highest rate for any starter in the league, and an embarrassing figure for an All-Star. With Jalen Johnson taking the wheel, Young’s defensive liabilities became too much to handle.

Where would you like to see Trae Young land?
Jensen: Chicago Bulls? With Young insisting upon being the primary player, likely negating championship upside in the process, we need to identify a team wherein that's not a problem. Hello, Chicago?

True or false: Trae Young can be the starting point guard on a championship team
Haberstroh: True, only if Wemby is his center. It’s looking more and more that the deep playoff run in 2021 was an aberration. He presents so many problems defensively that he requires an all-time center to put out all the fires behind him. Elite passer. So-so shooter. Calamitous defender.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/trae-young-trade-destinations-whats-next-for-the-hawks-and-their-all-star-guard-181417984.html

[Tripod]

Is an acquiring team allowed to do an extension deal right away on him?

Nba has odd rules, so thought I would ask

we did it with Ingram. That's what any discussions involving Trae's agents and other teams would be revolving around right now. No team is going to trade for him without some clarity on his future with them.

I wasn't sure due to Trae having a player option and BI didn't. Didn't know if we had to wait until offseason or not...if it was the Raps acquiring.

Gotta think Trae and agent are going to find out he is not gonna make the money he once thought. But maybe a 2 year guarantee at around 40 is better for him than 47+ a big questionmark the year after.

[TheRaptor!]

I mean, worst case it is a ton of fun to watch us go into a win-now mode

The scary part is though lets say Trae comes here and just has a monster end of the year. Like goes back to averaging 28/10 like he did 3 or 4 years ago. he 100% is gonna opt out and ask for a max and then we are just **** salary wise.

That is the scary part to me. Worst case he sucks and we gain nothing. Best case he blows up and he **** our salary. Is that even good for us?

He cannot averag 28/10 because he's playing with BI RJ and Scottie

I'd say 22/12 is more realistic

Who tf cares about his D when the best PGs in the NBA includes guys like Brunson, Doncic, and Lillard

you know who are great defensive PGs? Davion Mitchell and Jamal Shead. Back ups, role players trying to find their niche and value in the NBA

There is below average defense, and historically bad defense.

What’s your reaction to Trae Young and the Hawks working toward a trade?
Tom Haberstroh: It’s about time. The Hawks have clearly checked out with Young on the floor, allowing 126.2 points per 100 possessions with Ice Trae on the court this season. That’s the highest rate for any starter in the league, and an embarrassing figure for an All-Star. With Jalen Johnson taking the wheel, Young’s defensive liabilities became too much to handle.

Where would you like to see Trae Young land?
Jensen: Chicago Bulls? With Young insisting upon being the primary player, likely negating championship upside in the process, we need to identify a team wherein that's not a problem. Hello, Chicago?

True or false: Trae Young can be the starting point guard on a championship team
Haberstroh: True, only if Wemby is his center. It’s looking more and more that the deep playoff run in 2021 was an aberration. He presents so many problems defensively that he requires an all-time center to put out all the fires behind him. Elite passer. So-so shooter. Calamitous defender.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/trae-young-trade-destinations-whats-next-for-the-hawks-and-their-all-star-guard-181417984.html

We need more of these articles to get him at the price we want.

[YogurtProducer]

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Damn man I want Trae

I mean, worst case it is a ton of fun to watch us go into a win-now mode

The scary part is though lets say Trae comes here and just has a monster end of the year. Like goes back to averaging 28/10 like he did 3 or 4 years ago. he 100% is gonna opt out and ask for a max and then we are just **** salary wise.

That is the scary part to me. Worst case he sucks and we gain nothing. Best case he blows up and he **** our salary. Is that even good for us?

He cannot averag 28/10 because he's playing with BI RJ and Scottie

I'd say 22/12 is more realistic

Who tf cares about his D when the best PGs in the NBA includes guys like Brunson, Doncic, and Lillard

you know who are great defensive PGs? Davion Mitchell and Jamal Shead. Back ups, role players trying to find their niche and value in the NBA

It’s less that Trae isn’t a good defender, and more that “below average” would be to generous.

[Raptorfan2012]

Young is way better than IQ at point. That is enough for me already (especially if we can get some other assets). Both suck on D, but at least Young can elevate our offense. Let's do it, Bobby.

[HumbleRen]

I'm not remotely convinced that IQ is that much worse than Trae. I think people are really underselling the difference in their defence. IQ is not that bad. And I think people are really overselling how much he'd help on offence - especially when you consider the additional cost he comes with (or the additional talent that would need to be outgoing otherwise).

This is Trae’s worst season and his advanced metrics are still on par with IQ. Gets to the rim at will, multiple tiers above IQ as a playmaker and gets nearly triple the amount of FT’s than IQ does.

He’s basically everything we’ve been missing from a lead guard since Lowry left on the offensive end. Defence is a whole different story though lol.

[Clutch0z24]

Doubt we get him but Trae Young is a much better player than IQ....Anyone saying its close is fooling themselves. IQ as a defender isn't good enough to dismiss the leap in offensive production + passing ability....A big man that can protect the paint would be the next need though if we were to get Trae which is hard to find it seem.

Trae can actually run a team and be a floor general on the court, Has better handles and an Iso game to break guys down off the dribble as well as a great passer....We would need to find a lob threat big as Trae loves them kind of players...

IQ
Dick
Ochai
Lakers 2nd rounder

That would be my first offer but i think teams can outbid us because IQ makes lots of money and is on a long term deal....If it was expiring like CJ it would look more enticing for them....I think they either wanna get off his salary totally bringing in expirings or a better young guy than Dick....

[HumbleRen]

Young is way better than IQ at point. That is enough for me already (especially if we can get some other assets). Both suck on D, but at least Young can elevate our offense. Let's do it, Bobby.

IQ isn’t bad on defence. He’s average which is tiers above Trae on defence lol.

You have to rearrange your entire defence to protect him. On the flip side, Trae would make Scottie, RJ and BI significantly better on offence.

Pick your poison lol.

[mdenny]

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Damn man I want Trae

I am kinda playing devil's advocate in this thread because i think the move could totally backfire....

But another factor is that we KNOW he is a super competitive/intense and cares deeply about winning. Those factors are shaky with other rehab options like lamelo and AD.

[ArthurVandelay]

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Damn man I want Trae

I mean, worst case it is a ton of fun to watch us go into a win-now mode

The scary part is though lets say Trae comes here and just has a monster end of the year. Like goes back to averaging 28/10 like he did 3 or 4 years ago. he 100% is gonna opt out and ask for a max and then we are just **** salary wise.

That is the scary part to me. Worst case he sucks and we gain nothing. Best case he blows up and he **** our salary. Is that even good for us?

Is an acquiring team allowed to do an extension deal right away on him?

Nba has odd rules, so thought I would ask

Yes.

He’d have to decline his player option and the max extension before June 30 would be 3 years.

[MEDIC]

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Damn man I want Trae

See....shots like this don't excite me. It's a red flag.

Aside from Steph, how many of these "logo three" types were true winners? It's basically Steph, Dame & Trae. Dame & Trae have not had successful careers. They put up a ton of empty stats over the years. It's nice to hit game winners like that, but otherwise these shots are garbage.

Could you imagine running the floor hard, trying to get in position to run a play or get an easy layup, only to see your PG launch a shot like this? It would be pretty deflating. Correct me if I am wrong (I don't pay much attention to Trae), but if I recall correctly, Trae takes multiple shots like this in a game.

These shots don't even manipulate the defense in any way because nobody is going to defend that.

I don't even like Ja, but I would take Ja's rim pressure over this.

Now if they could get Trae to adjust his game to blend in to the system (make BI, Scottie & RJ better), rather than dominate the ball & take crazy shots.......we might have something there.

[sidsid]

Is an acquiring team allowed to do an extension deal right away on him?

Nba has odd rules, so thought I would ask

we did it with Ingram. That's what any discussions involving Trae's agents and other teams would be revolving around right now. No team is going to trade for him without some clarity on his future with them.

Not necessarily in the expiring scenario we're seeing with the Wizards. They want draft compensation, which makes it clear that Trae is picking up his option and doesn't think he'll get a better deal in FA or else the Hawks would have no problems just waiting it out this offseason.

The negotiations on the Wizards side is likely "we're going to sit guys and tank the back half of the season and we need you to be ok with that". They just don't want him causing trouble so there has to be some assurances about what's going on next year, even if it's not a new contract signing.

[MEDIC]

Doubt we get him but Trae Young is a much better player than IQ....Anyone saying its close is fooling themselves. IQ as a defender isn't good enough to dismiss the leap in offensive production + passing ability....A big man that can protect the paint would be the next need though if we were to get Trae which is hard to find it seem.

Trae can actually run a team and be a floor general on the court, Has better handles and an Iso game to break guys down off the dribble as well as a great passer....We would need to find a lob threat big as Trae loves them kind of players...

IQ
Dick
Ochai
Lakers 2nd rounder

That would be my first offer but i think teams can outbid us because IQ makes lots of money and is on a long term deal....If it was expiring like CJ it would look more enticing for them....I think they either wanna get off his salary totally bringing in expirings or a better young guy than Dick....

I would make that deal. It's worth the risk.....although.....I don't even see that deal as risky. It solves a lot of problems.......even if Trae doesn't pan out. Reminds me of the BI deal.

[LoveMyRaps]

Young is way better than IQ at point. That is enough for me already (especially if we can get some other assets). Both suck on D, but at least Young can elevate our offense. Let's do it, Bobby.

IQ does not suck on defense.

[ArthurVandelay]

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Damn man I want Trae

I mean, worst case it is a ton of fun to watch us go into a win-now mode

The scary part is though lets say Trae comes here and just has a monster end of the year. Like goes back to averaging 28/10 like he did 3 or 4 years ago. he 100% is gonna opt out and ask for a max and then we are just **** salary wise.

That is the scary part to me. Worst case he sucks and we gain nothing. Best case he blows up and he **** our salary. Is that even good for us?

He cannot averag 28/10 because he's playing with BI RJ and Scottie

I'd say 22/12 is more realistic

Who tf cares about his D when the best PGs in the NBA includes guys like Brunson, Doncic, and Lillard

you know who are great defensive PGs? Davion Mitchell and Jamal Shead. Back ups, role players trying to find their niche and value in the NBA

Exactly. One thing not mentioned is his career teammates. I’m not sure anyone has ever looked at who his teammates have been. He’s never played with a current all-star.

Take a look at his teammates: https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Trae-Young/Teammates/88934

Put his talent with a solid team and that could be very exciting.

Again, it’s all about the cost, buying low, and capitalizing on another crap situation for another team (Ingram all over again).

[mdenny]

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Damn man I want Trae

I mean, worst case it is a ton of fun to watch us go into a win-now mode

The scary part is though lets say Trae comes here and just has a monster end of the year. Like goes back to averaging 28/10 like he did 3 or 4 years ago. he 100% is gonna opt out and ask for a max and then we are just **** salary wise.

That is the scary part to me. Worst case he sucks and we gain nothing. Best case he blows up and he **** our salary. Is that even good for us?

Is an acquiring team allowed to do an extension deal right away on him?

Nba has odd rules, so thought I would ask

I was wondering the same thing.

So we trade for him.....he immediately opts out for next season.....then we sign him to the Ingram deal. 2 years/80. Giving him a chance to rehab his image and a shot at making the big bucks when he turns 30 years old.

I figure he's at a place where taking 2 years for 80 is better than risking 1 year for 47 and then risking that he only gets 30 or under on the open market. (Which is a bad offseason to be a free agent due to so many contracts expiring at that time)

But i don't know if that whole scenario is allowed.

[Tripod]

Side note, I think having BI would help get Trae to buy in. BI can show that he bought in and the results are good. That sometimes less is more.

In the end we talk about the Raps "type" of player they like. And Trae doesn't really fit that.