Quickley or Shead?

[Jakay]

No need to pit them against each other, but for the sake of argument, even with salaries being negated, I'd pick Shead. He does a pheonminal job of running the offence, getting guys where they should be, distributing in the flow of the game, and making timely plays. IQ hits some shots. When both are off their game Shead is who I want on the floor. IQ missing shots is... I mean he's a decent shooter and that's about all he brings. A wash on D for me.

I think Shead is also very much still growing into the role and IQ is much closer to what he will be. Having both is nice, but IQ feels far more replaceable. I also don't see the "IQ is clearly more talented". How exactly is that true. He hits more threes?

[HumbleRen]

No need to pit them against each other, but for the sake of argument, even with salaries being negated, I'd pick Shead. He does a pheonminal job of running the offence, getting guys where they should be, distributing in the flow of the game, and making timely plays. IQ hits some shots. When both are off their game Shead is who I want on the floor. IQ missing shots is... I mean he's a decent shooter and that's about all he brings. A wash on D for me.

I think Shead is also very much still growing into the role and IQ is much closer to what he will be. Having both is nice, but IQ feels far more replaceable. I also don't see the "IQ is clearly more talented". How exactly is that true. He hits more threes?

Shooting ability is definitely a talent and it trumps most other things when pushed come to shove.

[Jakay]

No need to pit them against each other, but for the sake of argument, even with salaries being negated, I'd pick Shead. He does a pheonminal job of running the offence, getting guys where they should be, distributing in the flow of the game, and making timely plays. IQ hits some shots. When both are off their game Shead is who I want on the floor. IQ missing shots is... I mean he's a decent shooter and that's about all he brings. A wash on D for me.

I think Shead is also very much still growing into the role and IQ is much closer to what he will be. Having both is nice, but IQ feels far more replaceable. I also don't see the "IQ is clearly more talented". How exactly is that true. He hits more threes?

Shooting ability is definitely a talent and it trumps most other things when pushed come to shove.

Assists, where other are put in a position to do that scoring, is another pretty vital skill that stands the test of time. And in that sense it's no contest who wins that battle.

To me it's more of a wash. IQ cannot get assists and run an offence like Shead can. Not even close.

Luckily they can also co-exist.

[Thaddy]

IQ isn't doing bad for a 4th option. The 3pt shot is likely down because he's trying harder on defense. A rim protecting C that can set screens makes the most sense for us. It helps several of our guys build offensive advantages.

[Los_29]

This forum has completely lost their minds. We don’t even know if Shead will last in the NBA. He’s got a lot of work to do.

[Indeed]

IQ is currently much better and we as constructed need both players very much. There are situations where Shead is more helpful.

Frankly with the success we've had playing them together I am in no rush to engage in pitting them against each other.

Exactly. This could very well be a Lowry/FVV thing where we can get away with playing them both in the backcourt because they mesh well together offensively and they're collectively a pretty strong defensive duo in the backcourt despite not having much size.

Take out one of our starter for them to play together?

Who are you taking out at closing in order to play them both together? Barrett, Ingram, Barnes, Poeltl?

[Psubs]

I would argue that starting Jakobe at "PG" would be optimal with his length, POA defense and not needing the ball in his hands.

Trade a combo of IQ, Agbaji and Poeltl for BPA. They are the JV, Derozan and Poeltl's that need to be sacrificed to bring the team back to contender status.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

What were they thinking with that deal? Poeltl one too. It's essentially self sabatoge and completely unforced in both cases. Why no RJ truthers ever question the way to soon commitment to IQ that seeled his fate here before we ever even got a look at him, i don't know. But to be paying him that much, just to have 3 or 4 too many SG's and no high functions starting pg is killer.

Credit to Shead. His surprising play can offset IQ's if we let it. What we do is lose twice, if we don't play our more productive lineups because of overpays we're trying to hide from.

[YogurtProducer]

The guy that doesnt have a TS% below 50% lol

The fact 50% of this board picked Shead just tells you all you need to know

[YogurtProducer]

People still want a “true point guard” like it’s the year 2005. Get with the times.

On most nights IQ is much better than Shead.

This thread reminds me of people who preferred Calderon over Lowry because he was a "pure PG".

[YogurtProducer]

No need to pit them against each other, but for the sake of argument, even with salaries being negated, I'd pick Shead. He does a pheonminal job of running the offence, getting guys where they should be, distributing in the flow of the game, and making timely plays. IQ hits some shots. When both are off their game Shead is who I want on the floor. IQ missing shots is... I mean he's a decent shooter and that's about all he brings. A wash on D for me.

I think Shead is also very much still growing into the role and IQ is much closer to what he will be. Having both is nice, but IQ feels far more replaceable. I also don't see the "IQ is clearly more talented". How exactly is that true. He hits more threes?

Shooting ability is definitely a talent and it trumps most other things when pushed come to shove.

Assists, where other are put in a position to do that scoring, is another pretty vital skill that stands the test of time. And in that sense it's no contest who wins that battle.

To me it's more of a wash. IQ cannot get assists and run an offence like Shead can. Not even close.

Luckily they can also co-exist.

IQ is 20th in the NBA in assists, and has the lowest amount of turnovers among players in the top 20 in assists.

Shead FWIW is 30th in assists, and has the lowest amount of turnovers among players in the top 30 in assists.

This board has lost the plot.

[Los_29]

People still want a “true point guard” like it’s the year 2005. Get with the times.

On most nights IQ is much better than Shead.

This thread reminds me of people who preferred Calderon over Lowry because he was a "pure PG".

Not many championship teams the past 20 years have had “pure” point guards. And why do we think Shead is like some basketball wizard? It’s not like he’s John Stockton.

[YogurtProducer]

I also don't see the "IQ is clearly more talented". How exactly is that true. He hits more threes?

He is a much better shooter, which is arguably the most important skill in the NBA.

Much better in between game.

Much better finisher at the rim.

Much more efficient at a higher volume.

Has a lower turnover rate.

Is a better rebounder.

[Psubs]

People still want a “true point guard” like it’s the year 2005. Get with the times.

On most nights IQ is much better than Shead.

This thread reminds me of people who preferred Calderon over Lowry because he was a "pure PG".

Not many championship teams the past 20 years have had “pure” point guards. And why do we think Shead is like some basketball wizard? It’s not like he’s John Stockton.

He's an unselfish FVV.

[MEDIC]

No need to pit them against each other, but for the sake of argument, even with salaries being negated, I'd pick Shead. He does a pheonminal job of running the offence, getting guys where they should be, distributing in the flow of the game, and making timely plays. IQ hits some shots. When both are off their game Shead is who I want on the floor. IQ missing shots is... I mean he's a decent shooter and that's about all he brings. A wash on D for me.

I think Shead is also very much still growing into the role and IQ is much closer to what he will be. Having both is nice, but IQ feels far more replaceable. I also don't see the "IQ is clearly more talented". How exactly is that true. He hits more threes?

I feel the same way. Like I keep saying, I liked the Davion/ Jamal pairing a lot more than I like the Imanuel/ Jamal pairing.

I think IQ is more skilled as a scorer right now. Jamal has higher basketball IQ, is more athletic & a much better defender. I actually think Jamal has the higher ceiling between the two.
Jamal still only has 1 year of NBA experience & is 23 years old. He is shooting better than Lowry was at the same age & his assist numbera are a lot better than Lowry's were at 23 years old. Lowry had been in the league for 3+ years at that point.

I am really interested in seeing where Shead's game is at in 2-3 years (he will be about the same age as Lowry when he was traded here).

I think he will figure out the shooting......the guy is a worker.

[YogurtProducer]

This thread reminds me of people who preferred Calderon over Lowry because he was a "pure PG".

Not many championship teams the past 20 years have had “pure” point guards. And why do we think Shead is like some basketball wizard? It’s not like he’s John Stockton.

He's an unselfish FVV.

Defensively very similar.

Offensively they are similar in the sense that they both struggle inside the arc. Difference is FVV had massive volume as a high volume 3 point guy whereas Shead is a bad shooter.

FVV was pretty much an IQ / Shead lovechild.

[DreamTeam09]

This forum has completely lost their minds. We don’t even know if Shead will last in the NBA. He’s got a lot of work to do.

I stopped taking this board seriously over the last few yrs... Everyone is always right even when proven wrong lol.

[YogurtProducer]

I feel the same way. Like I keep saying, I liked the Davion/ Jamal pairing a lot more than I like the Imanuel/ Jamal pairing.

The Davion / Shead pairing was not a feasible long term option. You cant have 48 minutes of PG play from non-shooting threats

I think IQ is more skilled as a scorer right now. Jamal has higher basketball IQ, is more athletic & a much better defender. I actually think Jamal has the higher ceiling between the two.

Unless Shead magically becomes a high volume 3 point shooter, that simply isn't the case. Shead is a much better defender when he is a bench guy playing 18mpg, but don't forget IQ was labeled as a great defender to in NYK. The difference between the two defensively isn't huge. It is just natural when guys get more minute and offensive responsibility the defence drops. Same thing would happen to Shead if he played 32mpg.

Jamal still only has 1 year of NBA experience & is 23 years old. He is shooting better than Lowry was at the same age & his assist numbera are a lot better than Lowry's were at 23 years old. Lowry had been in the league for 3+ years at that point. I am really interested in seeing where Shead's game is at in 2-3 years (he will be about the same age as Lowry when he was traded here).

Comparing the 2026 era where Shead has been developing in the 3point climate and 2008 era where Lowry was never encouraged to shoot 3's is not the same thing.

I think he will figure out the shooting......the guy is a worker.

Sure. But this is a 4-year college player who is in his 2nd NBA season. It has been 6 years of high level development to figure out his shot and it never happened. Here is his shooting splits:
FR - 12.5% (barely played)
SO - 29.8%
JR - 31.0%
SR - 30.9%
ROOK - 32.3%
SOPH - 33.1%

He is more than likely going to be a bad shooter for the rest of his career.

[MEDIC]

People still want a “true point guard” like it’s the year 2005. Get with the times.

On most nights IQ is much better than Shead.

This thread reminds me of people who preferred Calderon over Lowry because he was a "pure PG".

Not many championship teams the past 20 years have had “pure” point guards. And why do we think Shead is like some basketball wizard? It’s not like he’s John Stockton.

I think you guys are misinterpreting the whole "pure PG" thing. My belief (based on what I have read), is that people want a more dynamic PG. One that can get paint touches, suck in the defense & make plays from there.

Nobody wants Jose Calderon or Mark Jackson to suit up.

Having a PG with a quick first step &/ or one that plays great POA defense would be nice though. An actual PG though.....not a SG trying to play PG. Experience running plays matters.

Several posters have mentioned Jrue Holiday types as being the ideal.

[Tofubeque]

People still want a “true point guard” like it’s the year 2005. Get with the times.

On most nights IQ is much better than Shead.

This thread reminds me of people who preferred Calderon over Lowry because he was a "pure PG".

Quickley reminds me more of Calderon than any previous Raptor. He also played too conservative and went absolutely nowhere with the ball.