Trae to wizards for CJ

[ConSarnit]

They also really needed a primary ball handler to soak up usage. He gets to go there and play the game he wants to play. Trae made it clear in ATL that he has no appetite for playing off ball. If he did, he'd have gotten his extension.

They do need a ball handler, but for this year? If they are going to cut their tank short for Trae they are just grossly incompetent. At least give him the Ingram treatment and sit him out this year and try to build your team in the off-season with another high pick and cap space.

Based on how things were going for him in Atlanta, Trae could probably play his game in Washington, and they’ll still lose. So the Wiz give the fans something to watch, and still accumulate the losses!

I think the Wiz could be primed to take a step (not a major one) next year if things break right.

Trae
Sarr
George
Tre Johnson
Top 5 pick
$50m in cap space

That team might not be a world beater but as a team transitioning out of a tank it could be worse.

[ForeverTFC]

They do need a ball handler, but for this year? If they are going to cut their tank short for Trae they are just grossly incompetent. At least give him the Ingram treatment and sit him out this year and try to build your team in the off-season with another high pick and cap space.

Based on how things were going for him in Atlanta, Trae could probably play his game in Washington, and they’ll still lose. So the Wiz give the fans something to watch, and still accumulate the losses!

I think the Wiz could be primed to take a step (not a major one) next year if things break right.

Trae
Sarr
George
Tre Johnson
Top 5 pick
$50m in cap space

That team might not be a world beater but as a team transitioning out of a tank it could be worse.

You're not wrong. + Sarr is trending really well defensively and might end up being one of the very few guys in the league that can anchor a defense with Trae Young in the lineup. My comment was a bit tongue in cheek, though I do think Trae prioritized being the focal point of the offense vs choosing the best situation for him to win.

[mdenny]

They do need a ball handler, but for this year? If they are going to cut their tank short for Trae they are just grossly incompetent. At least give him the Ingram treatment and sit him out this year and try to build your team in the off-season with another high pick and cap space.

Based on how things were going for him in Atlanta, Trae could probably play his game in Washington, and they’ll still lose. So the Wiz give the fans something to watch, and still accumulate the losses!

I think the Wiz could be primed to take a step (not a major one) next year if things break right.

Trae
Sarr
George
Tre Johnson
Top 5 pick
$50m in cap space

That team might not be a world beater but as a team transitioning out of a tank it could be worse.

Pretty sure they have two picks this summer but one of them is mid to late.

But i agree. They spent 10 years in the gutter and finally positioned themselves right. Might've been longer than that.

[ConSarnit]

CJ was an expiring contract. They needed to use it in the next ~4 weeks. I'm sure they'll sit him a bunch. We parked Ingram for the whole year after the last deadline.

Probably depends on a variety of factors. My guess is they want him to decline his option so they can get him on a cheaper deal next year. To do that they had to make the trade now. It seems quite apparent no one wants to pay Trae anywhere close to $48m next year.

Washington doesn't have any reason to get him on a cheaper deal. The salary floor is 140 and they are only at 67 currently. So they will probably gladly offer to pay him for 2 more years until they have to start extending their prospects.

So if they give Trae 2 years at 50 per.....that brings them up to 117. Then they're adding two more draft picks and sign 2 or 3 veterans to make up the difference.

Why would they give Trae a raise? If Trae is going to play hardball tell him he can just opt out of his $48m next year if he doesn’t want an extension.

The Wiz hold the cards here. They are one of the few cap space team who might actually give him $40m/yr. If he walks who cares. All if cost then was overpaid Kispert.

If the Wiz are going to go the FVV/Harris route of overpaying a vet they’re going to have to keep some real cap space open.

Ingram got 25% of the cap. Why would the Wiz give Trae (a guy who just got flat out dumped) more than that?

My guess is Trae gets 3/130 with a PO in the 3rd year.

[mdenny]

Probably depends on a variety of factors. My guess is they want him to decline his option so they can get him on a cheaper deal next year. To do that they had to make the trade now. It seems quite apparent no one wants to pay Trae anywhere close to $48m next year.

Washington doesn't have any reason to get him on a cheaper deal. The salary floor is 140 and they are only at 67 currently. So they will probably gladly offer to pay him for 2 more years until they have to start extending their prospects.

So if they give Trae 2 years at 50 per.....that brings them up to 117. Then they're adding two more draft picks and sign 2 or 3 veterans to make up the difference.

Why would they give Trae a raise? If Trae is going to play hardball tell him he can just opt out of his $48m next year if he doesn’t want an extension.

The Wiz hold the cards here. They are one of the few cap space team who might actually give him $40m/yr. If he walks who cares. All if cost then was overpaid Kispert.

If the Wiz are going to go the FVV/Harris route of overpaying a vet they’re going to have to keep some real cap space open.

Ingram got 25% of the cap. Why would the Wiz give Trae (a guy who just got flat out dumped) more than that?

My guess is Trae gets 3/130 with a PO in the 3rd year.

Because they have to hit the salary floor! They are going to HAVE to drastically overpay someone.

The negotiation already happened. Trae didnt request a trade to the wizards without agreeing to something.

[S.W.A.N]

Fair trade. Expensive contract that wasn't pushing winning. Also very talented player. Hawks get flexibility to make more moves around their true core players. Very interested to see if the follow up rumors of them getting Davis next are true. Another deal that makes a lot of sense.

[ConSarnit]

Based on how things were going for him in Atlanta, Trae could probably play his game in Washington, and they’ll still lose. So the Wiz give the fans something to watch, and still accumulate the losses!

I think the Wiz could be primed to take a step (not a major one) next year if things break right.

Trae
Sarr
George
Tre Johnson
Top 5 pick
$50m in cap space

That team might not be a world beater but as a team transitioning out of a tank it could be worse.

You're not wrong. + Sarr is trending really well defensively and might end up being one of the very few guys in the league that can anchor a defense with Trae Young in the lineup. My comment was a bit tongue in cheek, though I do think Trae prioritized being the focal point of the offense vs choosing the best situation for him to win.

I think it’s 2 parties using each other. Trae is using the Wiz to try and rehab his value while still being the “star”. The Wiz are using Trae as a 2-3 year stop gap until their young guys hopefully round into form (or they can replace Trae with an upgrade). If I had to guess (based on very little info) neither party are in it for the long haul (although I assume Trae would sign on long term if the money were right).

I think both parties could win in the short term (though if I were the Wiz I wouldn’t sign up for anymore than 2-3 years of the Trae show).

[YoungG]

I'm surprised that was really the deal. Talk about pennies on the dollar...

Maybe they do a follow up trade? CJ is expiring and playing well and Kispert is on a decent contract for a few years. And no one seemed to want to pay Trae. I kinda like it.

I think the Hawks do. They have pieces to pivot to another big trade for them, especially since I saw that they didn't give up any picks in the deal. That's huge!

[ForeverTFC]

Probably depends on a variety of factors. My guess is they want him to decline his option so they can get him on a cheaper deal next year. To do that they had to make the trade now. It seems quite apparent no one wants to pay Trae anywhere close to $48m next year.

Washington doesn't have any reason to get him on a cheaper deal. The salary floor is 140 and they are only at 67 currently. So they will probably gladly offer to pay him for 2 more years until they have to start extending their prospects.

So if they give Trae 2 years at 50 per.....that brings them up to 117. Then they're adding two more draft picks and sign 2 or 3 veterans to make up the difference.

Why would they give Trae a raise? If Trae is going to play hardball tell him he can just opt out of his $48m next year if he doesn’t want an extension.

The Wiz hold the cards here. They are one of the few cap space team who might actually give him $40m/yr. If he walks who cares. All if cost then was overpaid Kispert.

If the Wiz are going to go the FVV/Harris route of overpaying a vet they’re going to have to keep some real cap space open.

Ingram got 25% of the cap. Why would the Wiz give Trae (a guy who just got flat out dumped) more than that?

My guess is Trae gets 3/130 with a PO in the 3rd year.

New rule that you need to sit at 90% of the cap once the season starts. They HAVE to over-pay somebody. If they don't give it to Trae, they'll have to give it to someone else. And if they are interested in extending him (which I think they will given WAS was Trae's preferred destination), they'll just over-pay year 1 and 2 and try to buy down the back-end.

Even with Trae at his current salary, they still need to go find someone to overpay in the summer or take back a bad deal for little return (again, because teams know they have to use the space). Negotiating Trae down in the near term creates more problems for them.

[Tor_Raps]

Yes he is. People laughed at us when we got BI. I will laugh at the folks thinking this is anything but a home run for the Wizards.

I’ll bet money Trae young doesn’t do Jack al for the wizards

Pretty risky for the Wiz. If I’m them I’m letting Trae sit out the entire season to keep my draft pick.

If the Wiz do that I think they come out of it ok.

Sarr
George
Tre Johnson
‘26 top 5 pick

+ Trae and use some cap space to overpay some vets (is the FVV/Tobias Harris special).

Now, if the Wiz play Trae and end up drafting 8th this year and they exit their tank with Trae as their #1 then that’s a disaster of a tank imo.

Ya Trae needs to sit out like Ingram did for us to ensure a top 5 pick. Next year they can try to start winning and its not a bad starting point tbh.

[Merit]

All I gotta say is please stop crapping on my valuation of players.

I like Trae and the wizards did well here. However, he’s gonna put up insane numbers on the wizards and his teams are gonna suck. Wizards now have to build their team around him.

He’s going to take alllllll the touches away from their developing guards but I at least know why they did it.

CJ is ideal for Atlanta as he can shoot and makes the smart play. He makes their team better and they still have enough salary dropping off the books/mid tier salary to make a move for a max contract.

[TGM]

This is what I call a reclamation project. Trae can easily become a salary dump to two fist rounds picks for the Wizards. It’s a great situation for Trae and the Wizards.

[Merit]

I think the Wiz could be primed to take a step (not a major one) next year if things break right.

Trae
Sarr
George
Tre Johnson
Top 5 pick
$50m in cap space

That team might not be a world beater but as a team transitioning out of a tank it could be worse.

You're not wrong. + Sarr is trending really well defensively and might end up being one of the very few guys in the league that can anchor a defense with Trae Young in the lineup. My comment was a bit tongue in cheek, though I do think Trae prioritized being the focal point of the offense vs choosing the best situation for him to win.

I think it’s 2 parties using each other. Trae is using the Wiz to try and rehab his value while still being the “star”. The Wiz are using Trae as a 2-3 year stop gap until their young guys hopefully round into form (or they can replace Trae with an upgrade). If I had to guess (based on very little info) neither party are in it for the long haul (although I assume Trae would sign on long term if the money were right).

I think both parties could win in the short term (though if I were the Wiz I wouldn’t sign up for anymore than 2-3 years of the Trae show).

Yup. This makes a world of sense. In the near term they still surround him with vets that make him better. A lob threat big would be one piece I’d look for them to add.

[Pointgod]

This has gotta be the least value ive ever seen for an allstar player in his prime. I get Trae's has deficiencies but to go for practically nothing?

Porzingis was similar return

[Pointgod]

This is excellent value for Wizards although it could hurt their tank. This is a **** return for the Hawks.

[ConSarnit]

Washington doesn't have any reason to get him on a cheaper deal. The salary floor is 140 and they are only at 67 currently. So they will probably gladly offer to pay him for 2 more years until they have to start extending their prospects.

So if they give Trae 2 years at 50 per.....that brings them up to 117. Then they're adding two more draft picks and sign 2 or 3 veterans to make up the difference.

Why would they give Trae a raise? If Trae is going to play hardball tell him he can just opt out of his $48m next year if he doesn’t want an extension.

The Wiz hold the cards here. They are one of the few cap space team who might actually give him $40m/yr. If he walks who cares. All if cost then was overpaid Kispert.

If the Wiz are going to go the FVV/Harris route of overpaying a vet they’re going to have to keep some real cap space open.

Ingram got 25% of the cap. Why would the Wiz give Trae (a guy who just got flat out dumped) more than that?

My guess is Trae gets 3/130 with a PO in the 3rd year.

Because they have to hit the salary floor! They are going to HAVE to drastically overpay someone.

The negotiation already happened. Trae didnt request a trade to the wizards without agreeing to something.

I get the salary floor factor. But why overpay Trae? You already have leverage over him.

If you’re going to overpay someone you overpay the guy(s) who you want in free agency. If I’m the Wiz I’d much rather have an extra $10m to overpay free agents over just giving it to Trae.

Consider the FVV overpay in HOU. That pretty much required going $10m+ above market rate. The Wiz are going to need that money if they have real free agent desires. If they need to reach the salary floor they can easily overpay someone on a 1 year deal if all else fails.

If Trae thinks he can get $50m somewhere else I tell him “best of luck”. I’ll find other ways to hit the floor.

[ConSarnit]

Washington doesn't have any reason to get him on a cheaper deal. The salary floor is 140 and they are only at 67 currently. So they will probably gladly offer to pay him for 2 more years until they have to start extending their prospects.

So if they give Trae 2 years at 50 per.....that brings them up to 117. Then they're adding two more draft picks and sign 2 or 3 veterans to make up the difference.

Why would they give Trae a raise? If Trae is going to play hardball tell him he can just opt out of his $48m next year if he doesn’t want an extension.

The Wiz hold the cards here. They are one of the few cap space team who might actually give him $40m/yr. If he walks who cares. All if cost then was overpaid Kispert.

If the Wiz are going to go the FVV/Harris route of overpaying a vet they’re going to have to keep some real cap space open.

Ingram got 25% of the cap. Why would the Wiz give Trae (a guy who just got flat out dumped) more than that?

My guess is Trae gets 3/130 with a PO in the 3rd year.

New rule that you need to sit at 90% of the cap once the season starts. They HAVE to over-pay somebody. If they don't give it to Trae, they'll have to give it to someone else. And if they are interested in extending him (which I think they will given WAS was Trae's preferred destination), they'll just over-pay year 1 and 2 and try to buy down the back-end.

Even with Trae at his current salary, they still need to go find someone to overpay in the summer or take back a bad deal for little return (again, because teams know they have to use the space). Negotiating Trae down in the near term creates more problems for them.

If the Wiz are trying to overpay Trae why did they trade for him now?

They could have just overpaid him this summer when he had zero other suitors willing to pay him $50m. One of the reasons to get him in the door is to extend him for next year.

Trae has zero leverage. The Wiz might overpay him but they absolutely shouldn’t given the circumstances.

You guys are overestimating the difficulty of finding someone to overpay. Take on a salary dump make up the money. Overpay a couple of free agents. No team in the league has ever had a problem reaching the salary floor when they’ve wanted to.

[sidsid]

The Wizards should have stuck to their guns and gotten at least some seconds out of this.

Atlanta can say they're taking on Kispert's long contract that they had no interest in, so that dampens the value, but where else were the Hawks going to go for expirings when they're angling for AD? Trying to shoehorn the Middleton contract into the trade wasn't really working based on other contract matches the Hawks had so this was the only way to keep it simple.

If the Wiz are thinking of cycling the contract for next year then that has value on it's own and you did clear a bit of long term cap. Still a mediocre bit of business here

[ItsDanger]

Probably tanks trade value of Ja and Lamelo.

[mdenny]

Why would they give Trae a raise? If Trae is going to play hardball tell him he can just opt out of his $48m next year if he doesn’t want an extension.

The Wiz hold the cards here. They are one of the few cap space team who might actually give him $40m/yr. If he walks who cares. All if cost then was overpaid Kispert.

If the Wiz are going to go the FVV/Harris route of overpaying a vet they’re going to have to keep some real cap space open.

Ingram got 25% of the cap. Why would the Wiz give Trae (a guy who just got flat out dumped) more than that?

My guess is Trae gets 3/130 with a PO in the 3rd year.

Because they have to hit the salary floor! They are going to HAVE to drastically overpay someone.

The negotiation already happened. Trae didnt request a trade to the wizards without agreeing to something.

I get the salary floor factor. But why overpay Trae? You already have leverage over him.

If you’re going to overpay someone you overpay the guy(s) who you want in free agency. If I’m the Wiz I’d much rather have an extra $10m to overpay free agents over just giving it to Trae.

Consider the FVV overpay in HOU. That pretty much required going $10m+ above market rate. The Wiz are going to need that money if they have real free agent desires. If they need to reach the salary floor they can easily overpay someone on a 1 year deal if all else fails.

If Trae thinks he can get $50m somewhere else I tell him “best of luck”. I’ll find other ways to hit the floor.

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Bro....there's no leverage with Trae lol. They already agreed to something. Thats why it was reported "trae and his agent are working with the hawks to facilitate a trade". Trae was negotiating with other teams to see who could pay him and how much. His deal is done. Not sure when they'll announce it but it was already finished when trae said "i'd prefer to go to washington".

He certainly didnt decide to go to washington to win lol. He choose them because they agreed to a deal.

All rhat aside...i agree with your other points. I bet washington has a steep climb the next couple years. I think it'll work like fred did in houston. And i don't think trae is gonna prevent their prospects from improving. I think it will work.