Trae to wizards for CJ

[sidsid]

And people thought we should’ve traded IQ and Poeltl for Trae.

Trae’s value is extremely low and is worth very little. He just simply isn’t a winning player and will command a lot of money.

Even I thought he would go for more than this.

Don't forget a lightly protected 1st in ‘28!

This is just a straight up salary dump for a guy who is 27 and is a 3x all-star. I’m with you, I never thought the price would be this low.

I mean the reason we would be paying a pick is not because Trae is good or that we'd want him, it's because the Hawks would be taking on 4 years of tons of money for Jak and IQ while Trae expires next year.

Everyone needs to recalibrate what they think these overpaid chuckers are worth. MPJ required a pick to get off his deal, too. MPJ will have plenty of value next year...when he's expiring.

[Tor_Raps]

that's a cheap trade for Wizards....I think Raptors equivalent would be IQ/Dick/Ochai

This is actually much better than what Atlanta got as of now. We'll see what they do with the expirings they just got though

[Thaddy]

IQ/Dick/Ochai is an overpay for Young. That's a decent starter and 2 lottery picks. If we lost on Ingram I could see us going for Young.

[Los_29]

And people thought we should’ve traded IQ and Poeltl for Trae.

Trae’s value is extremely low and is worth very little. He just simply isn’t a winning player and will command a lot of money.

Even I thought he would go for more than this.

Don't forget a lightly protected 1st in ‘28!

This is just a straight up salary dump for a guy who is 27 and is a 3x all-star. I’m with you, I never thought the price would be this low.

I mean the reason we would be paying a pick is not because Trae is good or that we'd want him, it's because the Hawks would be taking on 4 years of tons of money for Jak and IQ while Trae expires next year.

Everyone needs to recalibrate what they think these overpaid chuckers are worth. MPJ required a pick to get off his deal, too. MPJ will have plenty of value next year...when he's expiring.

But the fact Trae is being dealt for nothing just shows you how he’s viewed around the league. If we want to win, there is no point in giving away IQ and Poeltl. Now we know that even offering one of them up would’ve been an overpay. lol. It was a nonsensical offer from people overreacting to IQ having a mediocre game and Poeltl being hurt.

People on here just overvalued Trae way too much. The fact the Wizards who are a horrible organization got him says a lot.

[sidsid]

that's a cheap trade for Wizards....I think Raptors equivalent would be IQ/Dick/Ochai

This is actually much better than what Atlanta got as of now. We'll see what they do with the expirings they just got though

The initial plan is to not blow past the tax aprons next year if they land AD this deadline. That's why the Wizards deal is much better for them. It does open about 30 mil in cap space next year if it doesn't work out

This is the same reason a washed KO on a 2 year deal had a lot more value than RJ to the Pelicans in the BI trade

The League is perfectly fine looking for cheaper alternatives

[Tor_Raps]

that's a cheap trade for Wizards....I think Raptors equivalent would be IQ/Dick/Ochai

This is actually much better than what Atlanta got as of now. We'll see what they do with the expirings they just got though

The initial plan is to not blow past the tax aprons next year if they land AD this deadline. That's why the Wizards deal is much better for them. It does open about 30 mil in cap space next year if it doesn't work out

This is the same reason a washed KO on a 2 year deal had a lot more value than RJ to the Pelicans in the BI trade

The League is perfectly fine looking for cheaper alternatives

But what are you even going to do with the 30M of cap space when all the good players are forcing trades to get extended?

[sidsid]

Don't forget a lightly protected 1st in ‘28!

This is just a straight up salary dump for a guy who is 27 and is a 3x all-star. I’m with you, I never thought the price would be this low.

I mean the reason we would be paying a pick is not because Trae is good or that we'd want him, it's because the Hawks would be taking on 4 years of tons of money for Jak and IQ while Trae expires next year.

Everyone needs to recalibrate what they think these overpaid chuckers are worth. MPJ required a pick to get off his deal, too. MPJ will have plenty of value next year...when he's expiring.

But the fact Trae is being dealt for nothing just shows you how he’s viewed around the league. If we want to win, there is no point in giving away IQ and Poeltl. Now we know that even offering one of them up would’ve been an overpay. lol. It was a nonsensical offer from people overreacting to IQ having a mediocre game and Poeltl being hurt.

People on here just overvalued Trae way too much. The fact the Wizards who are a horrible organization got him says a lot.

It's true that Trae doesn't help in the actual getting better department. Neither do Jak and IQ. That's why the FO has been trying to move both RJ and IQ for stars like KD or AD now.

The Trae trade would be a pure cap cleaning move, which likely has more value to getting to that goal than their current contracts hold. CJ's old ass has more value than Trae, and that's just the reality of the apron era.

[sidsid]

This is actually much better than what Atlanta got as of now. We'll see what they do with the expirings they just got though

The initial plan is to not blow past the tax aprons next year if they land AD this deadline. That's why the Wizards deal is much better for them. It does open about 30 mil in cap space next year if it doesn't work out

This is the same reason a washed KO on a 2 year deal had a lot more value than RJ to the Pelicans in the BI trade

The League is perfectly fine looking for cheaper alternatives

But what are you even going to do with the 30M of cap space when all the good players are forcing trades to get extended?

For a rebuilding team? Do more MPJ/Poole trades! FA is where the dumb money gets spent. As we've seen almost every year, you can get a reclamation project contract and get paid draft assets to take them into your cap space if there isn't a star worth paying.

[MEDIC]

I wonder if Trae simply wanted to go to the team that was most likely to pay him another big contract. Was there already an agreement with Washington to re-sign?

[Tor_Raps]

I wonder if Trae simply wanted to go to the team that was most likely to pay him another big contract. Was there already an agreement with Washington to re-sign?

Thats exactly why he wanted to go to Washington. Rumor was that they were the only team willing to give him the money and role he wanted as the lead gaurd.

Kinda makes me respect him less to go there during your prime. Shows he gives no craps about winning.

[ontnut]

A guy who can't win goes to a team that doesn't know how to win. Match made in heaven.

[YogurtProducer]

And people thought we should’ve traded IQ and Poeltl for Trae.

Trae’s value is extremely low and is worth very little. He just simply isn’t a winning player and will command a lot of money.

Even I thought he would go for more than this.

Don't forget a lightly protected 1st in ‘28!

This is just a straight up salary dump for a guy who is 27 and is a 3x all-star. I’m with you, I never thought the price would be this low.

I mean the reason we would be paying a pick is not because Trae is good or that we'd want him, it's because the Hawks would be taking on 4 years of tons of money for Jak and IQ while Trae expires next year.

Everyone needs to recalibrate what they think these overpaid chuckers are worth. MPJ required a pick to get off his deal, too. MPJ will have plenty of value next year...when he's expiring.

I would bet we never came close to offering any of that for Trae.

I don't think our FO views IQ/Jak nearly as negatively as RealGM does.

[ArthurVandelay]

He wasn’t traded for CJ. He was traded for Kispert and getting off $49m next season.

CJ to Trae is as BI to Bruce

Agreed, although CJ is playing well and can help the Hawks this season or perhaps be involved in a bigger deal like AD.

CJ can’t be aggregated with other salary once the deal is official. Definitely a chance that Dallas gets roped in before official though, but doesn’t sound like it.

[MiamiSPX]

Washington doesn't have any reason to get him on a cheaper deal. The salary floor is 140 and they are only at 67 currently. So they will probably gladly offer to pay him for 2 more years until they have to start extending their prospects.

So if they give Trae 2 years at 50 per.....that brings them up to 117. Then they're adding two more draft picks and sign 2 or 3 veterans to make up the difference.

Why would they give Trae a raise? If Trae is going to play hardball tell him he can just opt out of his $48m next year if he doesn’t want an extension.

The Wiz hold the cards here. They are one of the few cap space team who might actually give him $40m/yr. If he walks who cares. All if cost then was overpaid Kispert.

If the Wiz are going to go the FVV/Harris route of overpaying a vet they’re going to have to keep some real cap space open.

Ingram got 25% of the cap. Why would the Wiz give Trae (a guy who just got flat out dumped) more than that?

My guess is Trae gets 3/130 with a PO in the 3rd year.

Because they have to hit the salary floor! They are going to HAVE to drastically overpay someone.

The negotiation already happened. Trae didnt request a trade to the wizards without agreeing to something.

It's this. If I am not mistaken, Young can be extended right away. So I expect the announcement on a new contract in the next few days. Just like us with BI.

[mtcan]

He wasn’t traded for CJ. He was traded for Kispert and getting off $49m next season.

CJ to Trae is as BI to Bruce

Agreed, although CJ is playing well and can help the Hawks this season or perhaps be involved in a bigger deal like AD.

CJ can’t be aggregated with other salary once the deal is official. Definitely a chance that Dallas gets roped in before official though, but doesn’t sound like it.

Hawks still have PorIngis' expiring contract...so they can attach Risacher and another contract.

[ArthurVandelay]

Agreed, although CJ is playing well and can help the Hawks this season or perhaps be involved in a bigger deal like AD.

CJ can’t be aggregated with other salary once the deal is official. Definitely a chance that Dallas gets roped in before official though, but doesn’t sound like it.

Hawks still have PorIngis' expiring contract...so they can attach Risacher and another contract.

and Kennard

They have enough to get Davis: Zinger, Kennard, and Risacher gets it done.

CJ will also be available to be traded on his own.

[dacrusha]

Hawks and Wiz both bottom feeders, but Hawks make the right move for their rebuild.

Wiz are nuts to bring this guy in - all time terrible defender, all time high usage rate and looking for another payday contract. How will this type of presence serve as a positive influence on their young players?

[tsherkin]

Peanuts for Trae, but he's going to the Wizards. They suck.

They have some interesting youth, but they're so, so bad on either end of the floor. If Trae thought it was hard winning in Atlanta, then Washington is going to be a whole new deal for him, because man. They're horrific. I think he demonstrated something about himself choosing that as a destination, honestly.

[MoneyBall]

Excellent trade for the Wizards. I actually think Trae and Sarr compliment each other super well. The problem for the Wizards is that the rest of the team sucks. This is the first time since forever that I feel like the Wizards are going in the right direction.

[sidsid]

Don't forget a lightly protected 1st in ‘28!

This is just a straight up salary dump for a guy who is 27 and is a 3x all-star. I’m with you, I never thought the price would be this low.

I mean the reason we would be paying a pick is not because Trae is good or that we'd want him, it's because the Hawks would be taking on 4 years of tons of money for Jak and IQ while Trae expires next year.

Everyone needs to recalibrate what they think these overpaid chuckers are worth. MPJ required a pick to get off his deal, too. MPJ will have plenty of value next year...when he's expiring.

I would bet we never came close to offering any of that for Trae.

I don't think our FO views IQ/Jak nearly as negatively as RealGM does.

No, they don't. But what our FO thinks of our players doesn't matter. It's what the the team you're trading to thinks of the players, as the Hawks learned when they thought they should get picks for Trae while the Wizards informed them that it's the other way around.

And "what they think of the players" as actual talent in the apron era is often secondary to the size and length of contract. To the Hawks, Kispert is 3 years of money they just don't want to pay to him, which likely is where the negotiation for picks ended as that's the Wizards compensation for taking on Trae.