Quickley or Shead?

[MEDIC]

Oh, just a guy who got a max extension at one point? Is that all we need?

Like it seems obvious that yes, an all-star or all-nba PG would be better than IQ. But is that feasible?

Who is this mystery player?

How are we getting this mystery player?

How are we affording this mystery player?

Alright.

Found my example of that diamond in the rough player. Someone that I have wanted on this team for a few years now. NAW.

He didn't shoot above .350 from three until he was 24 years old (5th year in the league) He didn't shoot efficiently at high volume until he was 27 years old. He definitely improved his shooting.

Also....he bounced around in the league a lot. He was kind of an afterthought. He kept grinding and working on his game, & started to gain some traction in Minny. Found a role there. Atlanta sees an opportunity to get a developing player, entering his prime years & gets him in a S&T for a second and cash. 15.5 million dollar deal x 4 years.

NAW is making 1/2 of what Quickley is making & outperforming him on both sides of the court.

Atlanta made the right choice. These are the types of opportunities you have to look for.

So your grand example is 1 guy, who bounced around 4 teams in 7 years? Who didn't average more than 11ppg until his 7th age 27 year? FWIW - he isn't better on both ends of the floor. We are talking 16/4/6 vs 20/4/3. One is a 4th option, the other is a 2nd. And the advanced stats also still favor IQ (albeit it is close).

I'd take NAW > IQ now simply due to that contract though. But that is not a knock on IQ, rather that NAW signed a cheap deal and blew up immediately after. He probably regrets it now. But the whole point of this conversation is that acquiring these guys is hard. NAW failed on 3 different teams before he broke out.

But at the end of the day... if we had NAW instead of IQ we are not even a better team.

The point I have been making all along is.........you don't go all in unless you find the perfect guy or you find high value (NAW) You find a "stop gap" (like Davon at 12 million) until you find your guy.

Giving IQ a 32 million contract x4 years is going all in on a guy thay hadn't really proven himself as a leag PG. It seemed a bit desperate to put all of your eggs in that basket. I don't think Quick is more valuable to this team than a healthy Yak.20-25 million over 2-3 years would have been appropriate.

Value like NAW and Mamu happen. You have to be patient, but if you know what you are looking for, you will eventually find it.

[YogurtProducer]

The point I have been making all along is.........you don't go all in unless you find the perfect guy or you find high value (NAW) You find a "stop gap" (like Davon at 12 million) until you find your guy. Giving IQ a 32 million contract x4 years is going all in on a guy thay hadn't really proven himself as a leag PG. It seemed a bit desperate to put all of your eggs in that basket.

I mean, we didn't go "all in" at all though. He is not a top 50 paid guy in the league. By year 5 of that deal he will be closer to 100 than he is to 50. IDK how you think all our eggs are in one basket lol. We are paying IQ to be the 56th highest paid player in the league. By EPM standards he has been about the 50-60th best player in the league this year.

Also Davion was a fine player, but it really wouldn't make sense for us to have kept Davion and moved IQ (or never re-signed him). There is a massive different in talent and impact between the two. You gotta spend salary on SOMEONE.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - it really feels like the bar fans have put for IQ is "be an all-star or else you are not worth it". It is just a crazy ask.

I don't think Quick is more valuable to this team than a healthy Yak.20-25 million over 2-3 years would have been appropriate.

I mean I think IQ and Jak are pretty similarly valuable to us. We have seen what we look like without our only true big, and I think the problems would be similar if we lost our only true movement shooting threat.

Value like NAW and Mamu happen. You have to be patient, but if you know what you are looking for, you will eventually find it.

Absolutely - but you can't build a team on a basis of "we will just keep signing FA's to MLE or BLE deals until one hits". There is only a handful of good FA signings each year, and odds are you will go more years without one than you will with one.

[MEDIC]

It's not just about money. It's also about time. Its also about having valuable assets. If you sign a value asset or a manageable asset to a long term ddal, you don't have to worry about time as much because you know you can trade them easily if needed. You can bundle them or trade them for another player that suits your needs better.

I don't think you can do that with Quickley's contract. I don't think we could trade it right now & get a lot of value back.

Maybe in 2 or 3 years that changes, but now we are looking at an expiring deal & time lost.

I am at the point where I believe you can build a contender with BI, Scottie & RJ in their primes. But in order to do that, you need to surround them with 2 way value assets.

You need the NAW's, the Dort's, the Hart's, the Caruso's.

You need high end, two way veteran role players to make it work.

Gradey Dick, Ochai & Jakobe ain't going to cut it.

The money has to be distributed differently. CMB is a really good start. Thank gawd for him. He is locked up as a value asset.

Give me NAW & Lou Dort types over IQ though. Money better spent.

[HumbleRen]

I think you’re both right. Our team wouldn’t be better off with Shead being our full time PG but IQ’s assists don’t indicate he’s a good playmaker. His assists are largely a result of the offensive system, not from him creating an advantage.

This is it really. He doesn't create for others. He just runs the plays.....and sometimes he even misses those.

Like that pick and roll play with CMB last night. CMB had a mismatch down low on the roll, but IQ doesn't see it and bricks a contested 3. Stuff like this happens too often. Missing 2 or 3 easy buckets like that in a night can lose you the game (almost did). In the playoffs you can’t make those mistakes.

It’s why his turnovers are extremely low. He doesn’t make creative reads or attempt them.

I’m glad he doesn’t though because he doesn’t have playmaking chops like that, I rather a guard know his limitations as a passer and have a low turnover rate than have someone ambitious without the vision.

I do agree though in the playoffs, his limitations as a lead guard are going to show like crazy. Shead as well.

[pingpongrac]

^ see edited post above

Do you have any actual point to make outside of IQ has in more assists with the starting lineup in more than 1.5 times as many minutes?

Shead is playing with starters and bench, who do not score at the same rate, with more assists per minute, by also 1.5 times give or take. Also watch how the offense runs. IQ is running the game floating out at the perimeter trying to spot up?

also to keep with our theme:
lol

also also:
"And if it’s so easy to get assists, why doesn’t everyone do it? "

Yes, why doesn't IQ do it at the same rate as Shead, or really even close, indeed. Great point.

I’m really not even sure what you’re talking about at this point. You mentioned IQ doesn’t pass. I responded saying he is in the top 20 in assists. That would indicate that he passes often.

I never said he was an elite playmaker but he doesn’t have to be on this team. He doesn’t turn the ball over and helps open up the floor due to his shooting ability.

Shead being a better playmaker doesn’t make up for the enormous differences elsewhere. Shead is still a bad offensive player and for anyone to want Shead to start over IQ is absolutely out of their minds.

This fanbase has never respected our point guards. Look how much hate Lowry got for most of him time here. Then Fred. Now IQ. Knicks fans absolutely loved IQ. Meanwhile some Raptors fans want Shead and his 48% TS% to start for a 23-15 team. It’s outrageous. lol.

While Shead is likely a better passer than IQ some of that is role/skill related.

Shead has to pass because he’s one of the worst scorers in the league. He has to pass out of the pnr because he’s averaging 0.71ppp as a scorer in those possessions and that’s terrible. If you’re a PG who’s one of the worst scorers in the league you better be passing. He can’t score efficiently from anywhere on the floor.

IQ passes less because he can actually score/finish, giving him more options.

Shead is not a starting level pg. IQ’s scoring + playmaking is worth more than Shead’s playmaking. If it was just about passing we could have just signed Ben Simmons. Your PG has to be able to score with some semblance of efficiency.

It's wild to me that this fact eludes so many people. Pretty much every way you slice it, Shead is a terrible offensive player outside of his passing. He isn't a high volume three-point shooter while also being a well-below average 3PT% guard, he can't effectively finish inside and he has no semblance of an in-between game. At this stage of his career, he is not a guy you can have starting a game and playing 30+ minutes consistently unless he is in a lineup that has multiple guys that can score 20+ PPG (which we kind of have in Ingram, Scottie and RJ) and hit the three at a solid rate on high volume (which we do NOT have, especially if you remove IQ — who is the one high-volume shooter on our roster). Shead has made strides in his playmaking abilities from year 1 to 2 which has masked some of his shortcomings on the offensive end, but he is still one of the worst scorers in the entire league.

[ConSarnit]

I’m really not even sure what you’re talking about at this point. You mentioned IQ doesn’t pass. I responded saying he is in the top 20 in assists. That would indicate that he passes often.

I never said he was an elite playmaker but he doesn’t have to be on this team. He doesn’t turn the ball over and helps open up the floor due to his shooting ability.

Shead being a better playmaker doesn’t make up for the enormous differences elsewhere. Shead is still a bad offensive player and for anyone to want Shead to start over IQ is absolutely out of their minds.

This fanbase has never respected our point guards. Look how much hate Lowry got for most of him time here. Then Fred. Now IQ. Knicks fans absolutely loved IQ. Meanwhile some Raptors fans want Shead and his 48% TS% to start for a 23-15 team. It’s outrageous. lol.

While Shead is likely a better passer than IQ some of that is role/skill related.

Shead has to pass because he’s one of the worst scorers in the league. He has to pass out of the pnr because he’s averaging 0.71ppp as a scorer in those possessions and that’s terrible. If you’re a PG who’s one of the worst scorers in the league you better be passing. He can’t score efficiently from anywhere on the floor.

IQ passes less because he can actually score/finish, giving him more options.

Shead is not a starting level pg. IQ’s scoring + playmaking is worth more than Shead’s playmaking. If it was just about passing we could have just signed Ben Simmons. Your PG has to be able to score with some semblance of efficiency.

It's wild to me that this fact eludes so many people. Pretty much every way you slice it, Shead is a terrible offensive player outside of his passing. He isn't a high volume three-point shooter while also being a well-below average 3PT% guard, he can't effectively finish inside and he has no semblance of an in-between game. At this stage of his career, he is not a guy you can have starting a game and playing 30+ minutes consistently unless he is in a lineup that has multiple guys that can score 20+ PPG (which we kind of have in Ingram, Scottie and RJ) and hit the three at a solid rate on high volume (which we do NOT have, especially if you remove IQ — who is the one high-volume shooter on our roster). Shead has made strides in his playmaking abilities from year 1 to 2 which has masked some of his shortcomings on the offensive end, but he is still one of the worst scorers in the entire league.

I’ll add: he cannot create his own shot in the slightest.

Shead shooting splits on 2 (or more) dribbles:

2pt: 36%
3pt: 25%

Any self created shot by Shead is an abject disaster.

I don't even dislike Shead but this narrative he should he starting is nuts.

I’m 99% sure the hate against IQ would not exist if he were making $23m instead of $32m. Posters are blinded by his salary and it’s causing them to ignore actual on court production. Even if IQ is overpaid he’s still a much better player than Shead.

[Jakay]

He’s 20th in the league in assists. You said he doesn’t pass. And if it’s so easy to get assists, why doesn’t everyone do it?

You said Shead does a phenomenal job running the offense. That actually seems like something a “newb” would say. Same with thinking Shead should replace IQ in the starting lineup. lol.

^ see edited post above

Do you have any actual point to make outside of IQ has in more assists with the starting lineup in more than 1.5 times as many minutes?

Shead is playing with starters and bench, who do not score at the same rate, with more assists per minute, by also 1.5 times give or take. Also watch how the offense runs. IQ is running the game floating out at the perimeter trying to spot up?

also to keep with our theme:
lol

also also:
"And if it’s so easy to get assists, why doesn’t everyone do it? "

Yes, why doesn't IQ do it at the same rate as Shead, or really even close, indeed. Great point.

I’m really not even sure what you’re talking about at this point. You mentioned IQ doesn’t pass. I responded saying he is in the top 20 in assists. That would indicate that he passes often.

I never said he was an elite playmaker but he doesn’t have to be on this team. He doesn’t turn the ball over and helps open up the floor due to his shooting ability.

Shead being a better playmaker doesn’t make up for the enormous differences elsewhere. Shead is still a bad offensive player and for anyone to want Shead to start over IQ is absolutely out of their minds.

This fanbase has never respected our point guards. Look how much hate Lowry got for most of him time here. Then Fred. Now IQ. Knicks fans absolutely loved IQ. Meanwhile some Raptors fans want Shead and his 48% TS% to start for a 23-15 team. It’s outrageous. lol.

I never said he doesn't pass. that would be an idiotic thing to say about someone averaging over 6 assists a game. I said he doesn't pass or playmake as well as Shead. On a per minute basis this is absolutely true by stats (Shead with about 1.5x as many assists on a per minute basis), and if you watch the team play Shead creates opportunities / playmakes better than IQ. IQ mostly just makes entry passes and swings the ball fro mthe perimeter (a bit of a simplification but still). That doesn't imply IQ is a "bad passer" either, it just says he's not as good as Shead at it.


And likewise you never said he was an elite playmaker, and nor did I think you did, so not sure where you read between the lines there. I am pointing out that using their regular per game counting stats isn't any kind of real argument when IQ plays way more minutes. And this really alls boils down to when I questioned "IQ is clearly more talented" being some kind of blanket statement. He's a better shooter, no question, but I don't think he's "clearly" the more talented player overall.

"Shead being a better playmaker doesn’t make up for the enormous differences elsewhere. Shead is still a bad offensive player and for anyone to want Shead to start over IQ is absolutely out of their minds."

Now this we simply disagree on. If you look at something simple like on/off from https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612761/onoffcourt-summary Shead has a better imapct. That's not nothing, Shead clearly makes a difference, and in this stat, moreso than Quick. I think seeing how the Raps do with Shead in the starting lineup is also different to "always start Shead"

NY loves IQ when he came of the bench. I like IQ, think he's a great piece. Just don't agree it's some huge chasm overall. When Quickley is having an off day, which is often enough, he doesn't have much impact.

[pingpongrac]

Now this we simply disagree on. If you look at something simple like on/off from https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612761/onoffcourt-summary Shead has a better imapct. That's not nothing, Shead clearly makes a difference, and in this stat, moreso than Quick. I think seeing how the Raps do with Shead in the starting lineup is also different to "always start Shead"

NY loves IQ when he came of the bench. I like IQ, think he's a great piece. Just don't agree it's some huge chasm overall. When Quickley is having an off day, which is often enough, he doesn't have much impact.

There are some reasons why Shead's on/off impact is better than IQ's on/off impact though. First, and most obvious, IQ plays the majority of his minutes against starters whereas Shead plays the majority of his minutes against bench lineups with 1-2 starters sprinkled in. Furthermore, it is a lot more noticeable and more impactful to stats when IQ is having a bad night because he is typically playing 30+ minutes whereas Shead will play 10-15 minutes off the bench on nights that he isn't making in impact. As such, Shead gets the benefit of coming off of the bench and having his minutes reduced if he isn't performing on any given night whereas IQ is expected to come up big in winning time — as he did last night after having a pretty mediocre first three quarters.

When it comes to IQ not making much of an impact when he isn't playing well, the same thing can be said for 75% of players in the league — including Shead. More than anything, it seems like people are so hard on IQ simply because he is making 32M per year and not the 25M per year that some maybe expected. The reality is that he has produced pretty close to what you'd expect from as the 53rd highest player in the league; he is averaging 16/4/6 on 56 TS% while he is 60th in EPM, 56th in BPM and 45th in VORP — and he has done that despite not really having many breakout/great performances. I think he has potential to do a bit more, but I'm also not going to throw him under the bus for slightly underperforming his contract and my expectations.

[Westside Gunn]

If you watched some Indiana games I'm sure TJ McConnell looks like that dude who immediately makes an impact as soon as he's on the floor. Gave some serious problems to the Raptors. I'm sure their fans appreciate the impact but didn't call for him to replace Nembhard as much as we look for Quickley's replacement.

Some players just look great in spurts but their effectiveness gets watered down with the more minutes and more exposure they have.

[TimeForChange]

Shead is not a starting PG on a playoff team but neither is IQ.

[YogurtProducer]

Shead is not a starting PG on a playoff team but neither is IQ.

IQ is currently starting on a playoff team.

[Madvillainy2004]

Shead is not a starting PG on a playoff team but neither is IQ.

IQ is currently starting on a playoff team.

Were ahead of Philly/Atlanta/Cleveland/Orlando/Miami and only 1.5 games back of the "all in" knicks. Weve had a very good season so far all things considered

[HumbleRen]

Shead is not a starting PG on a playoff team but neither is IQ.

Agreed. They both scream playoff droppers.

Hopefully he just catches fire at the right time.

[Merit]

I did. I don’t think that’s a viable solution to our issue at all lol.

...

You can’t rely on rim pressure from the bench guys, that’s utterly silly. We need it from our starters.

So, we have rim pressure in our starting lineup. We have none in our bench lineup, which is a larger issue. If we had a 15-20 mpg guy coming in at the 2/3 who could maintain that rim pressure, that would no longer be an issue.

It's going to be hard to find someone we can play at the 1 who is worthwhile in that regard. Small guys aren't generally it for that style of play. So we are, in essence, looking for a combo guard-sized player who can defend reasonably well, shoot reasonably well from outside and then also attack with a live dribble. That's basically what you're talking about, and those are neither common. Nor cheap.

EDIT: Because otherwise, you're really just saying what I did, that we need a SG. And since we already have RJ, this new guy isn't likely to start.

We could always shoot for the moon and get some rim pressure from the C spot in Giannis.

[Merit]

If you watched some Indiana games I'm sure TJ McConnell looks like that dude who immediately makes an impact as soon as he's on the floor. Gave some serious problems to the Raptors. I'm sure their fans appreciate the impact but didn't call for him to replace Nembhard as much as we look for Quickley's replacement.

Some players just look great in spurts but their effectiveness gets watered down with the more minutes and more exposure they have.

Fair point.

[Jakay]

Now this we simply disagree on. If you look at something simple like on/off from https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612761/onoffcourt-summary Shead has a better imapct. That's not nothing, Shead clearly makes a difference, and in this stat, moreso than Quick. I think seeing how the Raps do with Shead in the starting lineup is also different to "always start Shead"

NY loves IQ when he came of the bench. I like IQ, think he's a great piece. Just don't agree it's some huge chasm overall. When Quickley is having an off day, which is often enough, he doesn't have much impact.

There are some reasons why Shead's on/off impact is better than IQ's on/off impact though. First, and most obvious, IQ plays the majority of his minutes against starters whereas Shead plays the majority of his minutes against bench lineups with 1-2 starters sprinkled in. Furthermore, it is a lot more noticeable and more impactful to stats when IQ is having a bad night because he is typically playing 30+ minutes whereas Shead will play 10-15 minutes off the bench on nights that he isn't making in impact. As such, Shead gets the benefit of coming off of the bench and having his minutes reduced if he isn't performing on any given night whereas IQ is expected to come up big in winning time — as he did last night after having a pretty mediocre first three quarters.

When it comes to IQ not making much of an impact when he isn't playing well, the same thing can be said for 75% of players in the league — including Shead. More than anything, it seems like people are so hard on IQ simply because he is making 32M per year and not the 25M per year that some maybe expected. The reality is that he has produced pretty close to what you'd expect from as the 53rd highest player in the league; he is averaging 16/4/6 on 56 TS% while he is 60th in EPM, 56th in BPM and 45th in VORP — and he has done that despite not really having many breakout/great performances. I think he has potential to do a bit more, but I'm also not going to throw him under the bus for slightly underperforming his contract and my expectations.

Ah personally I don't judge players by their contract, certainly not in this context we're talking about. I do disagree with "off game" contributions. IQ is a good player, there's no question about that, but when he's off he's practically invisible. Shead provides about the same level of playmaking when he's off. He just sucks at shooting even more that he always does.

But the on/off argument though... idk, this is why people want to see how much of a floor raiser Shead is with the starters. Is it consistent? Just outright dismissing that is foolhardy. Do extra minutes help Shead, or hurt him? IQ already gets the benefit of the doubt there.

[Merit]

Now this we simply disagree on. If you look at something simple like on/off from https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612761/onoffcourt-summary Shead has a better imapct. That's not nothing, Shead clearly makes a difference, and in this stat, moreso than Quick. I think seeing how the Raps do with Shead in the starting lineup is also different to "always start Shead"

NY loves IQ when he came of the bench. I like IQ, think he's a great piece. Just don't agree it's some huge chasm overall. When Quickley is having an off day, which is often enough, he doesn't have much impact.

There are some reasons why Shead's on/off impact is better than IQ's on/off impact though. First, and most obvious, IQ plays the majority of his minutes against starters whereas Shead plays the majority of his minutes against bench lineups with 1-2 starters sprinkled in. Furthermore, it is a lot more noticeable and more impactful to stats when IQ is having a bad night because he is typically playing 30+ minutes whereas Shead will play 10-15 minutes off the bench on nights that he isn't making in impact. As such, Shead gets the benefit of coming off of the bench and having his minutes reduced if he isn't performing on any given night whereas IQ is expected to come up big in winning time — as he did last night after having a pretty mediocre first three quarters.

When it comes to IQ not making much of an impact when he isn't playing well, the same thing can be said for 75% of players in the league — including Shead. More than anything, it seems like people are so hard on IQ simply because he is making 32M per year and not the 25M per year that some maybe expected. The reality is that he has produced pretty close to what you'd expect from as the 53rd highest player in the league; he is averaging 16/4/6 on 56 TS% while he is 60th in EPM, 56th in BPM and 45th in VORP — and he has done that despite not really having many breakout/great performances. I think he has potential to do a bit more, but I'm also not going to throw him under the bus for slightly underperforming his contract and my expectations.

I feel as though there are other options who can provide what we need for this team better than IQ. As for shead, he’s early enough in his trajectory to still have upside.

I like IQ. I like him most when he’s got Jak in the lineup and can be an off ball shooter.

[Los_29]

^ see edited post above

Do you have any actual point to make outside of IQ has in more assists with the starting lineup in more than 1.5 times as many minutes?

Shead is playing with starters and bench, who do not score at the same rate, with more assists per minute, by also 1.5 times give or take. Also watch how the offense runs. IQ is running the game floating out at the perimeter trying to spot up?

also to keep with our theme:
lol

also also:
"And if it’s so easy to get assists, why doesn’t everyone do it? "

Yes, why doesn't IQ do it at the same rate as Shead, or really even close, indeed. Great point.

I’m really not even sure what you’re talking about at this point. You mentioned IQ doesn’t pass. I responded saying he is in the top 20 in assists. That would indicate that he passes often.

I never said he was an elite playmaker but he doesn’t have to be on this team. He doesn’t turn the ball over and helps open up the floor due to his shooting ability.

Shead being a better playmaker doesn’t make up for the enormous differences elsewhere. Shead is still a bad offensive player and for anyone to want Shead to start over IQ is absolutely out of their minds.

This fanbase has never respected our point guards. Look how much hate Lowry got for most of him time here. Then Fred. Now IQ. Knicks fans absolutely loved IQ. Meanwhile some Raptors fans want Shead and his 48% TS% to start for a 23-15 team. It’s outrageous. lol.

I never said he doesn't pass. that would be an idiotic thing to say about someone averaging over 6 assists a game. I said he doesn't pass or playmake as well as Shead. On a per minute basis this is absolutely true by stats (Shead with about 1.5x as many assists on a per minute basis), and if you watch the team play Shead creates opportunities / playmakes better than IQ. IQ mostly just makes entry passes and swings the ball fro mthe perimeter (a bit of a simplification but still). That doesn't imply IQ is a "bad passer" either, it just says he's not as good as Shead at it.


And likewise you never said he was an elite playmaker, and nor did I think you did, so not sure where you read between the lines there. I am pointing out that using their regular per game counting stats isn't any kind of real argument when IQ plays way more minutes. And this really alls boils down to when I questioned "IQ is clearly more talented" being some kind of blanket statement. He's a better shooter, no question, but I don't think he's "clearly" the more talented player overall.

"Shead being a better playmaker doesn’t make up for the enormous differences elsewhere. Shead is still a bad offensive player and for anyone to want Shead to start over IQ is absolutely out of their minds."

Now this we simply disagree on. If you look at something simple like on/off from https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612761/onoffcourt-summary Shead has a better imapct. That's not nothing, Shead clearly makes a difference, and in this stat, moreso than Quick. I think seeing how the Raps do with Shead in the starting lineup is also different to "always start Shead"

NY loves IQ when he came of the bench. I like IQ, think he's a great piece. Just don't agree it's some huge chasm overall. When Quickley is having an off day, which is often enough, he doesn't have much impact.

Shead also has more of an impact than Scottie using those on/off numbers. Using the on/off numbers from Cleaning the Glass it doesn’t paint a great picture for any of our starters either but it does for guys like Shead, Dick and Mamu.

Knicks loved IQ as a starter to when he put up excellent numbers of 22/5/5 on 60% TS%.

This team is not better by replacing IQ with one of the worst offensive players in basketball. Plain and simple.

Shead is not a starting PG on a playoff team but neither is IQ.

I have bad news for you. This team is currently 4th in the East, on pace for 50 wins. That is a playoff team.

[Johnny Bball]

How many games or months do you think it has been since Quickley has actually used a screen, and made it a useful play instead of near instantly declining it and dribbling away from it?

[MEDIC]

If you watched some Indiana games I'm sure TJ McConnell looks like that dude who immediately makes an impact as soon as he's on the floor. Gave some serious problems to the Raptors. I'm sure their fans appreciate the impact but didn't call for him to replace Nembhard as much as we look for Quickley's replacement.

Some players just look great in spurts but their effectiveness gets watered down with the more minutes and more exposure they have.

He had some key moments in the NBA finals last year. That's the type of player he is. He's good to have when things get tough.