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I wonder if we get Sabonis and play him at the 4. Scottie moves to the 1 spot and RJ at the 2 and Ingram at the 3. Vision 6’9 is back again.
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Grew wrote:Let's just think simply on this one shall we. We don't want anything from the Sacremento kings.
Finally , a post i can agree with.
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TGM wrote:I wonder if we get Sabonis and play him at the 4. Scottie moves to the 1 spot and RJ at the 2 and Ingram at the 3. Vision 6’9 is back again.
PG Barrett - Shead - Chucky
SG Ingram - Walter - Martin
SF Barnes - Barrett - Battle
PF Sabonis - CMB - Mogbo
C CMB - Mamu - Sabonis

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Psubs wrote:TGM wrote:I wonder if we get Sabonis and play him at the 4. Scottie moves to the 1 spot and RJ at the 2 and Ingram at the 3. Vision 6’9 is back again.
PG Barrett - Shead - Chucky
SG Ingram - Walter - Martin
SF Barnes - Barrett - Battle
PF Sabonis - CMB - Mogbo
C CMB - Mamu - Sabonis
That team has absolutely no 3 point shooting.
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Kingsway_fan wrote:Grew wrote:Let's just think simply on this one shall we. We don't want anything from the Sacremento kings.
Finally , a post i can agree with.
Malik monk? Keegan Murray? Nique Clifford, Keon Ellis? Raynaud? Like… they have pieces.
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Merit wrote:Kingsway_fan wrote:Grew wrote:Let's just think simply on this one shall we. We don't want anything from the Sacremento kings.
Finally , a post i can agree with.
Malik monk? Keegan Murray? Nique Clifford, Keon Ellis? Raynaud? Like… they have pieces.
Murray, Clifford and Raynaud are reportedly the 3 pieces on their roster they won't be considering moving this deadline season. Monk and Ellis could be had though.
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My hottest take is that we can truly unlock LaMelo Ball and he should be the number one target. I have an irrational belief in that man's potential in the right situation.
Everyone talks about his maturity and winning style but if he gets acquired by the Raptors he will play with 3 guys in Barrett/Ingram/Barnes that are all way more talented than any of the guys he's played with in his career.
Any defensive shortcomings are easily neutralized so he can focus on being the lead ball handler and playmaker while also creating his own shots in late clock situations
He can also reliably hit open 3s from way beyond the arc which opens up the floor for Barnes and Barrett to get to the rim.
Quickley
Agbaji
2026 1st
2029 1st swap
for
Ball
Plumlee
Ball/Barrett/Ingram/Barnes/Poetl
Shead/Walter/CMB/Dick/Mamu
This is a hell of a lot of talent and its still young and has upside. Why couldn't this lineup do what Indy did last season?
Everyone talks about his maturity and winning style but if he gets acquired by the Raptors he will play with 3 guys in Barrett/Ingram/Barnes that are all way more talented than any of the guys he's played with in his career.
Any defensive shortcomings are easily neutralized so he can focus on being the lead ball handler and playmaker while also creating his own shots in late clock situations
He can also reliably hit open 3s from way beyond the arc which opens up the floor for Barnes and Barrett to get to the rim.
Quickley
Agbaji
2026 1st
2029 1st swap
for
Ball
Plumlee
Ball/Barrett/Ingram/Barnes/Poetl
Shead/Walter/CMB/Dick/Mamu
This is a hell of a lot of talent and its still young and has upside. Why couldn't this lineup do what Indy did last season?
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Merit wrote:Pointgod wrote:WWSRD wrote:
Guessing that trade requires some FRPs from the Raptors. I'd do a couple with lottery protections.
My issue is:
- You have to start Sabonis, Barnes and Ingram then. So that's 3 spots.
- You can't take your top 10 pick, who's playing well and send him back to the bench. So CMB needs to start.
- So now you have RJ, Monk and Shead. No issue with Monk or Shead off the bench. That fits their play level but RJ is your guard on the floor? Monk and Shead off the bench?
Actually this does work having typed it out. Between Sabonis, Barnes and CMB...lots of passing/creation. Barnes and CMB cover Sabonis' weaknesses.
Ingram and RJ give you scoring punch.
Bring Shead in when you need that real PG feel. Bring Monk in when you want more shooting.
Any trade we make with the Kings we have to push for Devin Carter. And of course CMB goes to the bench. You start Shead and you live with what he gives you.
You have a multiple guard options off the bench with Monk, Carter, Jakobe. I think we could probably get a back up PG pretty easily and we still need a back up big but we’ve instantly upgraded our bench.
We can make a trade for Carter work, but it’s either Carter or Ellis. Or if you choose to include Jak then more needs to come our way.
I take Carter all day. We could literally sign Ellis as a free agent in the summer.
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WuTang_CMB wrote:?s=20
Are they shopping him? A wing BI at the 2, Trey at the 3 and Scott at the 4 is pretty deadly.
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WuTang_CMB wrote:?s=20
I just don't get who we trade for Trey Murphy... Why would they swap Murphy for RJ? Maybe RJ + Unprotected FRP?
I do not want to trade CMB but would happily trade any combo of our young guards (Ochai, Gradey, Walter)
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Pointgod wrote:Merit wrote:Pointgod wrote:
Any trade we make with the Kings we have to push for Devin Carter. And of course CMB goes to the bench. You start Shead and you live with what he gives you.
You have a multiple guard options off the bench with Monk, Carter, Jakobe. I think we could probably get a back up PG pretty easily and we still need a back up big but we’ve instantly upgraded our bench.
We can make a trade for Carter work, but it’s either Carter or Ellis. Or if you choose to include Jak then more needs to come our way.
I take Carter all day. We could literally sign Ellis as a free agent in the summer.
we have no capspace and not even full MLE probably
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WuTang_CMB wrote:?s=20
Okay, this would be interesting but the cost would be pretty high. I'd imagine Pelicans asking for 2 FRP at least to start...
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arbsn wrote:WuTang_CMB wrote:?s=20
I just don't get who we trade for Trey Murphy... Why would they swap Murphy for RJ? Maybe RJ + Unprotected FRP?
I do not want to trade CMB but would happily trade any combo of our young guards (Ochai, Gradey, Walter)
Yeah it would definitely be RJ plus draft capital for Trey Murphy (which coincidentally would also get us under the tax).
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BrettSiegel for me is not a trust worthy source, i clicked on his twitter profile and realized i had him blocked for a reason. just a blogger(and if you follow up on his cluchpoint blog its just volume blogging/reporting essentially).
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arbsn wrote:WuTang_CMB wrote:?s=20
I just don't get who we trade for Trey Murphy... Why would they swap Murphy for RJ? Maybe RJ + Unprotected FRP?
I do not want to trade CMB but would happily trade any combo of our young guards (Ochai, Gradey, Walter)
I think it would take at least 2 FRP's in any package.
Logically, you would think it's RJ going the other way but something to think about is whether it could be IQ going the other way instead. I really like Trey and he fits what this team wants to do like a glove but moving RJ means losing our only guy that generates rim pressure. Trey replaces all of IQ's volume shooting on the other hand and there's some interesting no PG lineups you can throw out there too. Something like IQ for Murphy + Alvarado works pretty well to me but I think the pick package would be heavy in a deal like this.
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navyblue wrote:BrettSiegel for me is not a trust worthy source, i clicked on his twitter profile and realized i had him blocked for a reason. just a blogger.
yup he's not credible but I'd absolutely love Trey Murphy.
Quickley
Murphy
Ingram
Barnes
CMB
RJ + Dick + 2026 First Round Pick
Love RJ to death, but I'd do that.
Murphy's contract is beautiful. 28mil AAV for the next 4 years. Not sure why Pels would want to trade that away...
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My guess on the Siegal Raptors-Trey Murphy bit is Murphy wouldn't be going to Raptors.
Sacramento wants Kuminga and a lot of unwanted salary
GSW want Murphy
Sacramento has nothing GSW wants
GSW has nothing NO wants
There could be a scenario where NOP gets a bunch of firsts they are apparently looking for, just not all from one team, for Murphy
Sacramento wants Kuminga and a lot of unwanted salary
GSW want Murphy
Sacramento has nothing GSW wants
GSW has nothing NO wants
There could be a scenario where NOP gets a bunch of firsts they are apparently looking for, just not all from one team, for Murphy
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niQ wrote:WuTang_CMB wrote:?s=20
Okay, this would be interesting but the cost would be pretty high. I'd imagine Pelicans asking for 2 FRP at least to start...
In theory yes, but this is Joe Dumars we're talking about.









