Siegel: Toronto trade intel

[PushDaRock]

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I just don't get who we trade for Trey Murphy... Why would they swap Murphy for RJ? Maybe RJ + Unprotected FRP?

I do not want to trade CMB but would happily trade any combo of our young guards (Ochai, Gradey, Walter)

Yeah it would definitely be RJ plus draft capital for Trey Murphy (which coincidentally would also get us under the tax).

RJ would seem the most obvious candidate but another one I think works better is IQ + pick package for Murphy + Alvarado

[Spida888]

We can make a trade for Carter work, but it’s either Carter or Ellis. Or if you choose to include Jak then more needs to come our way.

I take Carter all day. We could literally sign Ellis as a free agent in the summer.

we have no capspace and not even full MLE probably

We would have the full bird rights for Ellis to re-sign him without requiring cap space. The issue is realistically how much would be willing to go into the tax to resign him. That said I do like Ellis, good 3 & D guard.

[Godaddycurse]

I take Carter all day. We could literally sign Ellis as a free agent in the summer.

we have no capspace and not even full MLE probably

We would have the full bird rights for Ellis to re-sign him without requiring cap space. The issue is realistically how much would be willing to go into the tax to resign him. That said I do like Ellis, good 3 & D guard.

I was replying to the person who said we can take carter and try to sign ellis as a UFA without bird rights

[MEDIC]

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I just don't get who we trade for Trey Murphy... Why would they swap Murphy for RJ? Maybe RJ + Unprotected FRP?

I do not want to trade CMB but would happily trade any combo of our young guards (Ochai, Gradey, Walter)

I think it would take at least 2 FRP's in any package.

Logically, you would think it's RJ going the other way but something to think about is whether it could be IQ going the other way instead. I really like Trey and he fits what this team wants to do like a glove but moving RJ means losing our only guy that generates rim pressure. Trey replaces all of IQ's volume shooting on the other hand and there's some interesting no PG lineups you can throw out there too. Something like IQ for Murphy + Alvarado works pretty well to me but I think the pick package would be heavy in a deal like this.

That's why you trade IQ. You get an appropriate sized wing to shoot high volume 3's, rather than an undersized SG who is being forced to play PG.

You figure out the PG situation later if you have to. I do like the Alverado idea. We would have the smallest PG tandem in the league.

Operation 6'9" would be back in play. BI, Murphy, Barnes, RJ, CMB. That's quite the rotation.

[PushDaRock]

I just don't get who we trade for Trey Murphy... Why would they swap Murphy for RJ? Maybe RJ + Unprotected FRP?

I do not want to trade CMB but would happily trade any combo of our young guards (Ochai, Gradey, Walter)

I think it would take at least 2 FRP's in any package.

Logically, you would think it's RJ going the other way but something to think about is whether it could be IQ going the other way instead. I really like Trey and he fits what this team wants to do like a glove but moving RJ means losing our only guy that generates rim pressure. Trey replaces all of IQ's volume shooting on the other hand and there's some interesting no PG lineups you can throw out there too. Something like IQ for Murphy + Alvarado works pretty well to me but I think the pick package would be heavy in a deal like this.

That's why you trade IQ. You get an appropriate sized wing to shoot high volume 3's, rather than an undersized SG who is being forced to play PG.

You figure out the PG situation later if you have to. I do like the Alverado idea. We would have the smallest PG tandem in the league.

Operation 6'9" would be back in play. BI, Murphy, Barnes, RJ, CMB. That's quite the rotation.

Alvarado and Shead are dogs, wouldn't worry about their size at all. Alvarado has turned himself into a competent 3 point shooter as well.

lol and yeah Project 6"9 is totally back!!!

[YoungG]

BrettSiegel for me is not a trust worthy source, i clicked on his twitter profile and realized i had him blocked for a reason. just a blogger.

yup he's not credible but I'd absolutely love Trey Murphy.

Quickley
Murphy
Ingram
Barnes
CMB


RJ + Dick + 2026 First Round Pick

Love RJ to death, but I'd do that.

Murphy's contract is beautiful. 28mil AAV for the next 4 years. Not sure why Pels would want to trade that away...

In full agreeance. I'm on the 'keep RJ' bandwagon, but Trey Murphy is someone I'd absolutely trade RJ for.

[MEDIC]

I think it would take at least 2 FRP's in any package.

Logically, you would think it's RJ going the other way but something to think about is whether it could be IQ going the other way instead. I really like Trey and he fits what this team wants to do like a glove but moving RJ means losing our only guy that generates rim pressure. Trey replaces all of IQ's volume shooting on the other hand and there's some interesting no PG lineups you can throw out there too. Something like IQ for Murphy + Alvarado works pretty well to me but I think the pick package would be heavy in a deal like this.

That's why you trade IQ. You get an appropriate sized wing to shoot high volume 3's, rather than an undersized SG who is being forced to play PG.

You figure out the PG situation later if you have to. I do like the Alverado idea. We would have the smallest PG tandem in the league.

Operation 6'9" would be back in play. BI, Murphy, Barnes, RJ, CMB. That's quite the rotation.

Alvarado and Shead are dogs, wouldn't worry about their size at all. Alvarado has turned himself into a competent 3 point shooter as well.

lol and yeah Project 6"9 is totally back!!!

I was thinking the same. The two of them would be fun to watch & Alvarado would be a huge fan favorite.

Oh yeah......just another example of a PG that turned into a competent shooter at 25 years old. It happens. Shead has a chance.

[pharring]

I just don't get who we trade for Trey Murphy... Why would they swap Murphy for RJ? Maybe RJ + Unprotected FRP?

I do not want to trade CMB but would happily trade any combo of our young guards (Ochai, Gradey, Walter)

Yeah it would definitely be RJ plus draft capital for Trey Murphy (which coincidentally would also get us under the tax).

RJ would seem the most obvious candidate but another one I think works better is IQ + pick package for Murphy + Alvarado

I am not sure they can trade RJ without getting RJ in return... if you follow my meaning. What RJ brings to the table seems to be precisely what this team needs (or RJ is able to alter game-to-game to accommodate what the team needs in the moment). As we saw when he was out, that is an important ingredient. Unless you are getting something similar back, I'm not sure it is worth trading him. We saw pretty clearly that none of the bench guys (Dick, Walter, Ochi, etc.) can replace what RJ is bringing and, speaking for myself, I don't think they will get there during the term of BI and Scottie's extensions.

So put me in the "Keep RJ" camp. Because I don't think they can subtract him and get something different.

IQ, on the other hand....

[traps#10]

We need a C. Can we go after Lively?

[Basketball_Jones]

Pelicans are so trash why in the hell would they trade Murphy after making room for him with Ingram.

[dozo]

We need a C. Can we go after Lively?

Dallas Mavericks center Dereck Lively II will undergo season-ending surgery on his right foot to address lingering discomfort, the team announced Wednesday. Lively, who played seven games this season, is expected to make a full recovery and be available for the start of training camp.

[Tha Cynic]

Is RJ and a first round pick worth it? That’s what it would take to get Trey Murphy on that contract here. Also it seems like Murphy isn’t a great defender either, but a much more consistent shooter.

[Jerry Lucas]

I just don't get who we trade for Trey Murphy... Why would they swap Murphy for RJ? Maybe RJ + Unprotected FRP?

I do not want to trade CMB but would happily trade any combo of our young guards (Ochai, Gradey, Walter)

Yeah it would definitely be RJ plus draft capital for Trey Murphy (which coincidentally would also get us under the tax).

RJ would seem the most obvious candidate but another one I think works better is IQ + pick package for Murphy + Alvarado

Salary match doesn't work.

[PushDaRock]

Yeah it would definitely be RJ plus draft capital for Trey Murphy (which coincidentally would also get us under the tax).

RJ would seem the most obvious candidate but another one I think works better is IQ + pick package for Murphy + Alvarado

Salary match doesn't work.

Worked on ESPN's Trade Machine. Add in Matkovic and throw in some more draft capital instead then.

[Pointgod]

we have no capspace and not even full MLE probably

We would have the full bird rights for Ellis to re-sign him without requiring cap space. The issue is realistically how much would be willing to go into the tax to resign him. That said I do like Ellis, good 3 & D guard.

I was replying to the person who said we can take carter and try to sign ellis as a UFA without bird rights

If we’re under the first tax apron we have access to the full MLE. I doubt it would even take that much to get Ellis

[Jerry Lucas]

RJ would seem the most obvious candidate but another one I think works better is IQ + pick package for Murphy + Alvarado

Salary match doesn't work.

Worked on ESPN's Trade Machine. Add in Matkovic and throw in some more draft capital instead then.

ESPN's trade machine is always inaccurate because their team salary totals are never accurate. I just checked the Raptors and Pelicans and of course, it's wrong on both.

Never use ESPN's garbo machine again and stick to either Fanspo or Spotrac.

And if Matkovic is in there now you're probably looking at a 3-team trade at this point, as I doubt the Raptors would waive anyone on the roster to get down to 15 contracts (I know you're probably thinking Temple but Darko's Udonis Haslem is going nowhere unless Darko himself is also gone).

[johanliebert]

I just don't get who we trade for Trey Murphy... Why would they swap Murphy for RJ? Maybe RJ + Unprotected FRP?

I do not want to trade CMB but would happily trade any combo of our young guards (Ochai, Gradey, Walter)

I think it would take at least 2 FRP's in any package.

Logically, you would think it's RJ going the other way but something to think about is whether it could be IQ going the other way instead. I really like Trey and he fits what this team wants to do like a glove but moving RJ means losing our only guy that generates rim pressure. Trey replaces all of IQ's volume shooting on the other hand and there's some interesting no PG lineups you can throw out there too. Something like IQ for Murphy + Alvarado works pretty well to me but I think the pick package would be heavy in a deal like this.

That's why you trade IQ. You get an appropriate sized wing to shoot high volume 3's, rather than an undersized SG who is being forced to play PG.

You figure out the PG situation later if you have to. I do like the Alverado idea. We would have the smallest PG tandem in the league.

Operation 6'9" would be back in play. BI, Murphy, Barnes, RJ, CMB. That's quite the rotation.

True point guards no longer exist in the NBA. These gripes you guys have for IQ apply to 90% of starting pgs in the NBA.

[PushDaRock]

Salary match doesn't work.

Worked on ESPN's Trade Machine. Add in Matkovic and throw in some more draft capital instead then.

ESPN's trade machine is always inaccurate because their team salary totals are never accurate. I just checked the Raptors and Pelicans and of course, it's wrong on both.

Never use ESPN's garbo machine again and stick to either Fanspo or Spotrac.

And if Matkovic is in there now you're probably looking at a 3-team trade at this point, as I doubt the Raptors would waive anyone on the roster to get down to 15 contracts (I know you're probably thinking Temple but Darko's Udonis Haslem is going nowhere unless Darko himself is also gone).

Regardless, only takes a minor move to make it work so it's not a road block. It's the pick package that would be heavy, likely 3 FRP's and hard negotiation over protections.

[Jerry Lucas]

Worked on ESPN's Trade Machine. Add in Matkovic and throw in some more draft capital instead then.

ESPN's trade machine is always inaccurate because their team salary totals are never accurate. I just checked the Raptors and Pelicans and of course, it's wrong on both.

Never use ESPN's garbo machine again and stick to either Fanspo or Spotrac.

And if Matkovic is in there now you're probably looking at a 3-team trade at this point, as I doubt the Raptors would waive anyone on the roster to get down to 15 contracts (I know you're probably thinking Temple but Darko's Udonis Haslem is going nowhere unless Darko himself is also gone).

Regardless, only takes a minor move to make it work so it's not a road block. It's the pick package that would be heavy, likely 3 FRP's and hard negotiation over protections.

The other thing is the Pelicans would only have 100k in apron space after and only 13 contracts. They would have to get to 14, and 100k in apron space maybe gets you 1 guy on a single 10-day.

[PushDaRock]

ESPN's trade machine is always inaccurate because their team salary totals are never accurate. I just checked the Raptors and Pelicans and of course, it's wrong on both.

Never use ESPN's garbo machine again and stick to either Fanspo or Spotrac.

And if Matkovic is in there now you're probably looking at a 3-team trade at this point, as I doubt the Raptors would waive anyone on the roster to get down to 15 contracts (I know you're probably thinking Temple but Darko's Udonis Haslem is going nowhere unless Darko himself is also gone).

Regardless, only takes a minor move to make it work so it's not a road block. It's the pick package that would be heavy, likely 3 FRP's and hard negotiation over protections.

The other thing is the Pelicans would only have 100k in apron space after and only 13 contracts. They would have to get to 14, and 100k in apron space maybe gets you 1 guy on a single 10-day.

If they traded Trey, there's zero chance that would be their only move