Quickley or Shead?

[Indeed]

I really don't understand the hate for IQ. I mean lots of you guys say it here, he's not a PG, so why is this even a comparison. He's easily our best volume 3 pt shooter. Shead is a good back up PG.

Our best volume 3 point shooter could be Battle if he gets more playing time.

The biggest difference to your view is that 3 point shooting doesn't get our offense to a respectable level, missing Barrett was a big hit to our offense, yet, Quickley who is being paid more cannot produce that.

Simply say, Quickley does not have half of the skill we need, and a backup that provides lesser skill is now in the controversy of replacing him, not because he is better, but he has what we need even at a lower quality.

You’ve never see what our team looks like without IQ

We already did last year.

[Spates]

It's sad that we're putting yet another PG in a role they're not well suited to. We've seen it with FVV. Despite what they claim aren't NBA level floor generals. They are floor spacers and secondary attackers.

IQ isn't the problem as much as a lack of rim pressure is. If guys like Martin or Lawson got some run over Gradey and Walter we might see improved offensive fluidity through the course of the game.

[YogurtProducer]

Our best volume 3 point shooter could be Battle if he gets more playing time.

The biggest difference to your view is that 3 point shooting doesn't get our offense to a respectable level, missing Barrett was a big hit to our offense, yet, Quickley who is being paid more cannot produce that.

Simply say, Quickley does not have half of the skill we need, and a backup that provides lesser skill is now in the controversy of replacing him, not because he is better, but he has what we need even at a lower quality.

You’ve never see what our team looks like without IQ

We already did last year.

And how did that go?

We **** SUCKED last year. It’s not shocking, but still insane you’re gonna cherry pick like 7 games to try and make a point here though

[Indeed]

You’ve never see what our team looks like without IQ

We already did last year.

And how did that go?

We **** SUCKED last year. It’s not shocking, but still insane you’re gonna cherry pick like 7 games to try and make a point here though

It was enough evidence and to those many here watched last year with someone who cannot turn the corner and didn't manage the game to be our starting PG. Trying to find his own scoring instead of trying to manage the game. Those were the comments from last year not from me.

Many of us feel that Davion Mitchell wasn't worse than Quickley last year filling out the starting PG, now Shead, even he is also not an ideal starting PG. These are not small example size, and it is not just about record, it is about basketball skill that fill our need.

If you think there is no point on this thread, you can wait until end of this year, or ask a mod to lock this up. However, people here will still bring this up, and it is a valid argument from many people here expressing the concern.

[Merit]

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Hold up. Yeah we have BI at the back end of the shot clock, but we don’t have someone who consistently gets two feet in the paint other than RJ. Last I checked we were something like 16-6 with him in the lineup.

I want to see IQ drive and kick and run something other than a basic pick and roll with Jak. I want to see IQ hunt for others, not just for his own shot.

If that makes people think I hate him, so be it. He’s a prime candidate to be moved - as are Ochai and Gradey.

The only reason we’re focused on volume 3 point shooting is because Scottie doesn’t provide much of it so we are more reliant on other positions. This is precisely why Mamu is so valuable and why RJ’s improved performance from 3 is valuable.

We can get volume 3 point shooting for far less with a far smaller role. Think Battle or guys like Tim Hardaway Jr.

Yes, no **** we are focused on volume 3 point shooting when our best player(s) don’t do it at a good or high volume.

But what you keep focusing on is what we LOSE in IQ, not how easy it is to acquire what he does, nor the possible replacement of that role in Battle or others who would cost far less than IQ, allowing us to redistribute his salary elsewhere and improve the team.

Oh and if you’re looking for $hit you’ll keep finding it.

[Merit]

I think shooting is easier to replace in todays league than dribble penetration, defense & high baaketball IQ. Especially at the PG position.

Of course....unless you are a prime Steph Curry.

You just have to look at the teams we have played this year. Almost all of them have multiple shooters with high 30 if not 40 3P%.

I mean… how’s Cleveland doing?

[YogurtProducer]

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Hold up. Yeah we have BI at the back end of the shot clock, but we don’t have someone who consistently gets two feet in the paint other than RJ. Last I checked we were something like 16-6 with him in the lineup.

I want to see IQ drive and kick and run something other than a basic pick and roll with Jak. I want to see IQ hunt for others, not just for his own shot.

If that makes people think I hate him, so be it. He’s a prime candidate to be moved - as are Ochai and Gradey.

The only reason we’re focused on volume 3 point shooting is because Scottie doesn’t provide much of it so we are more reliant on other positions. This is precisely why Mamu is so valuable and why RJ’s improved performance from 3 is valuable.

We can get volume 3 point shooting for far less with a far smaller role. Think Battle or guys like Tim Hardaway Jr.

Yes, no **** we are focused on volume 3 point shooting when our best player(s) don’t do it at a good or high volume.

But what you keep focusing on is what we LOSE in IQ, not how easy it is to acquire what he does, nor the possible replacement of that role in Battle or others who would cost far less than IQ, allowing us to redistribute his salary elsewhere and improve the team.

Oh and if you’re looking for $hit you’ll keep finding it.

You think Battle can replace IQs shooting?

[YogurtProducer]

I think shooting is easier to replace in todays league than dribble penetration, defense & high baaketball IQ. Especially at the PG position.

Of course....unless you are a prime Steph Curry.

You just have to look at the teams we have played this year. Almost all of them have multiple shooters with high 30 if not 40 3P%.

I mean… how’s Cleveland doing?

Way below expectations..?

[YogurtProducer]

We already did last year.

And how did that go?

We **** SUCKED last year. It’s not shocking, but still insane you’re gonna cherry pick like 7 games to try and make a point here though

It was enough evidence and to those many here watched last year with someone who cannot turn the corner and didn't manage the game to be our starting PG. Trying to find his own scoring instead of trying to manage the game. Those were the comments from last year not from me.

Many of us feel that Davion Mitchell wasn't worse than Quickley last year filling out the starting PG, now Shead, even he is also not an ideal starting PG. These are not small example size, and it is not just about record, it is about basketball skill that fill our need.

If you think there is no point on this thread, you can wait until end of this year, or ask a mod to lock this up. However, people here will still bring this up, and it is a valid argument from many people here expressing the concern.

Of players who average 6+APG only 5 players average less FGA than IQ. This idea is he only looks for his own shot is absurd.

It’s gotten to the point where yall just make **** up.

You want someone who can tuen the corner, then yearn for Mitchell. It’s just a lack of common sense at this point.

Is IQ perfect? No. Are you way off base with your analysis? Yes.

[mihaic]

I think you’re both right. Our team wouldn’t be better off with Shead being our full time PG but IQ’s assists don’t indicate he’s a good playmaker. His assists are largely a result of the offensive system, not from him creating an advantage.

This is it really. He doesn't create for others. He just runs the plays.....and sometimes he even misses those.

Like that pick and roll play with CMB last night. CMB had a mismatch down low on the roll, but IQ doesn't see it and bricks a contested 3. Stuff like this happens too often. Missing 2 or 3 easy buckets like that in a night can lose you the game (almost did). In the playoffs you can’t make those mistakes.

I don't have high hopes but Shead is still sophomore. A few percentage on shooting is not out of realm of possibility, perhaps he improves. In fact, if all he does is work on a running floater like IQ's, his TS% could become tolerable. Cause he's too short and is often blocked at the rim.

[Indeed]

And how did that go?

We **** SUCKED last year. It’s not shocking, but still insane you’re gonna cherry pick like 7 games to try and make a point here though

It was enough evidence and to those many here watched last year with someone who cannot turn the corner and didn't manage the game to be our starting PG. Trying to find his own scoring instead of trying to manage the game. Those were the comments from last year not from me.

Many of us feel that Davion Mitchell wasn't worse than Quickley last year filling out the starting PG, now Shead, even he is also not an ideal starting PG. These are not small example size, and it is not just about record, it is about basketball skill that fill our need.

If you think there is no point on this thread, you can wait until end of this year, or ask a mod to lock this up. However, people here will still bring this up, and it is a valid argument from many people here expressing the concern.

Of players who average 6+APG only 5 players average less FGA than IQ. This idea is he only looks for his own shot is absurd.

It’s gotten to the point where yall just make **** up.

You want someone who can tuen the corner, then yearn for Mitchell. It’s just a lack of common sense at this point.

Is IQ perfect? No. Are you way off base with your analysis? Yes.

Please stop labeling my analysis, as I said, those were the comments from last year NOT FROM ME.

https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2025/04/05/what-does-immanuel-quickley-need-to-change-for-the-raptors-to-be-great/

Don't hate the messenger.

[YogurtProducer]

It was enough evidence and to those many here watched last year with someone who cannot turn the corner and didn't manage the game to be our starting PG. Trying to find his own scoring instead of trying to manage the game. Those were the comments from last year not from me.

Many of us feel that Davion Mitchell wasn't worse than Quickley last year filling out the starting PG, now Shead, even he is also not an ideal starting PG. These are not small example size, and it is not just about record, it is about basketball skill that fill our need.

If you think there is no point on this thread, you can wait until end of this year, or ask a mod to lock this up. However, people here will still bring this up, and it is a valid argument from many people here expressing the concern.

Of players who average 6+APG only 5 players average less FGA than IQ. This idea is he only looks for his own shot is absurd.

It’s gotten to the point where yall just make **** up.

You want someone who can tuen the corner, then yearn for Mitchell. It’s just a lack of common sense at this point.

Is IQ perfect? No. Are you way off base with your analysis? Yes.

Please stop labeling my analysis, as I said, those were the comments from last year NOT FROM ME.

https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2025/04/05/what-does-immanuel-quickley-need-to-change-for-the-raptors-to-be-great/

Don't hate the messenger.

Wait, so this paint assists thing a few of you are hammering now is from LAST YEAR? When he played **** all for games and was in and out of the lineup?

[ConSarnit]

quote]
Hold up. Yeah we have BI at the back end of the shot clock, but we don’t have someone who consistently gets two feet in the paint other than RJ. Last I checked we were something like 16-6 with him in the lineup.

I want to see IQ drive and kick and run something other than a basic pick and roll with Jak. I want to see IQ hunt for others, not just for his own shot.

If that makes people think I hate him, so be it. He’s a prime candidate to be moved - as are Ochai and Gradey.

The only reason we’re focused on volume 3 point shooting is because Scottie doesn’t provide much of it so we are more reliant on other positions. This is precisely why Mamu is so valuable and why RJ’s improved performance from 3 is valuable.

We can get volume 3 point shooting for far less with a far smaller role. Think Battle or guys like Tim Hardaway Jr.

Yes, no **** we are focused on volume 3 point shooting when our best player(s) don’t do it at a good or high volume.

But what you keep focusing on is what we LOSE in IQ, not how easy it is to acquire what he does, nor the possible replacement of that role in Battle or others who would cost far less than IQ, allowing us to redistribute his salary elsewhere and improve the team.

Oh and if you’re looking for $hit you’ll keep finding it.

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

Quickley has the most non-pnr drives per game on the team. He also passes the most out of his drives amongst any starter.

What you think you’re watching is not actually happening.

[RoteSchroder]

We already did last year.

And how did that go?

We **** SUCKED last year. It’s not shocking, but still insane you’re gonna cherry pick like 7 games to try and make a point here though

It was enough evidence and to those many here watched last year with someone who cannot turn the corner and didn't manage the game to be our starting PG. Trying to find his own scoring instead of trying to manage the game. Those were the comments from last year not from me.

Many of us feel that Davion Mitchell wasn't worse than Quickley last year filling out the starting PG, now Shead, even he is also not an ideal starting PG. These are not small example size, and it is not just about record, it is about basketball skill that fill our need.

If you think there is no point on this thread, you can wait until end of this year, or ask a mod to lock this up. However, people here will still bring this up, and it is a valid argument from many people here expressing the concern.

We were also 12/33 (36.4%) with Quickley last year. 18/49 (36.7%) without him.

[YogurtProducer]

And how did that go?

We **** SUCKED last year. It’s not shocking, but still insane you’re gonna cherry pick like 7 games to try and make a point here though

It was enough evidence and to those many here watched last year with someone who cannot turn the corner and didn't manage the game to be our starting PG. Trying to find his own scoring instead of trying to manage the game. Those were the comments from last year not from me.

Many of us feel that Davion Mitchell wasn't worse than Quickley last year filling out the starting PG, now Shead, even he is also not an ideal starting PG. These are not small example size, and it is not just about record, it is about basketball skill that fill our need.

If you think there is no point on this thread, you can wait until end of this year, or ask a mod to lock this up. However, people here will still bring this up, and it is a valid argument from many people here expressing the concern.

We were also 12/33 (36.4%) with Quickley last year. 18/49 (36.7%) without him.

Trying to read into record last year is flawed as we were missing players every single night. I don’t think we had a full lineup once.

[RoteSchroder]

You’ve never see what our team looks like without IQ

We already did last year.

And how did that go?

We **** SUCKED last year. It’s not shocking, but still insane you’re gonna cherry pick like 7 games to try and make a point here though

Trying to read into record last year is flawed as we were missing players every single night. I don’t think we had a full lineup once.

[Indeed]

And how did that go?

We **** SUCKED last year. It’s not shocking, but still insane you’re gonna cherry pick like 7 games to try and make a point here though

It was enough evidence and to those many here watched last year with someone who cannot turn the corner and didn't manage the game to be our starting PG. Trying to find his own scoring instead of trying to manage the game. Those were the comments from last year not from me.

Many of us feel that Davion Mitchell wasn't worse than Quickley last year filling out the starting PG, now Shead, even he is also not an ideal starting PG. These are not small example size, and it is not just about record, it is about basketball skill that fill our need.

If you think there is no point on this thread, you can wait until end of this year, or ask a mod to lock this up. However, people here will still bring this up, and it is a valid argument from many people here expressing the concern.

We were also 12/33 (36.4%) with Quickley last year. 18/49 (36.7%) without him.

End of last year against, sure, but as you read from other analysis and the reason on the benching, it has more to do with the needs on our lineup.
If Barnes is able to take the PG role, and all we need is a elite shooting SG with good defense, that works (just may not need to be that much as well). However, with a need of a 1st option (Ingram), 2nd option (Barrett), you might want to think twice on how much you are paying for your 3rd and 4th options.

[Indeed]

And how did that go?

We **** SUCKED last year. It’s not shocking, but still insane you’re gonna cherry pick like 7 games to try and make a point here though

It was enough evidence and to those many here watched last year with someone who cannot turn the corner and didn't manage the game to be our starting PG. Trying to find his own scoring instead of trying to manage the game. Those were the comments from last year not from me.

Many of us feel that Davion Mitchell wasn't worse than Quickley last year filling out the starting PG, now Shead, even he is also not an ideal starting PG. These are not small example size, and it is not just about record, it is about basketball skill that fill our need.

If you think there is no point on this thread, you can wait until end of this year, or ask a mod to lock this up. However, people here will still bring this up, and it is a valid argument from many people here expressing the concern.

We were also 12/33 (36.4%) with Quickley last year. 18/49 (36.7%) without him.

The analysis doesn't from different sources.
https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2025/04/05/what-does-immanuel-quickley-need-to-change-for-the-raptors-to-be-great/

You can't blame people here concerning with a backup PG who is being the better fit with a fracture of the cost.

[Merit]

Yes, no **** we are focused on volume 3 point shooting when our best player(s) don’t do it at a good or high volume.

But what you keep focusing on is what we LOSE in IQ, not how easy it is to acquire what he does, nor the possible replacement of that role in Battle or others who would cost far less than IQ, allowing us to redistribute his salary elsewhere and improve the team.

Oh and if you’re looking for $hit you’ll keep finding it.

You think Battle can replace IQs shooting?

You’re trying my patience now.

No, absolutely not. Certainly not alone. However, we are likely to get another point guard or guard of some sort in a trade for IQ.

I do my best not to be obtuse with you, because our opinions generally align. Please return the favour.

[Merit]

And how did that go?

We **** SUCKED last year. It’s not shocking, but still insane you’re gonna cherry pick like 7 games to try and make a point here though

It was enough evidence and to those many here watched last year with someone who cannot turn the corner and didn't manage the game to be our starting PG. Trying to find his own scoring instead of trying to manage the game. Those were the comments from last year not from me.

Many of us feel that Davion Mitchell wasn't worse than Quickley last year filling out the starting PG, now Shead, even he is also not an ideal starting PG. These are not small example size, and it is not just about record, it is about basketball skill that fill our need.

If you think there is no point on this thread, you can wait until end of this year, or ask a mod to lock this up. However, people here will still bring this up, and it is a valid argument from many people here expressing the concern.

Of players who average 6+APG only 5 players average less FGA than IQ. This idea is he only looks for his own shot is absurd.

It’s gotten to the point where yall just make **** up.

You want someone who can tuen the corner, then yearn for Mitchell. It’s just a lack of common sense at this point.

Is IQ perfect? No. Are you way off base with your analysis? Yes.

I don’t think he ONLY looks for his shot. I do think he looks for his shot more than he facilitates, and I do think that he can’t blow by people. Both of those are fair observations. It’s precisely why Darko plays him alongside Shead. Shead defends the point of attack. IQ defends the less difficult assignments. IQ shoots, Shead drives and facilitates.

It’s time to put the idea of IQ being maxey to bed.