PG: Raptors win in OT

[MiamiSPX]

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[Tripod]

still need a C though!!!

Yes, we do.

We just saw what Martin did, right? Is it so awful to want to have a 7ft version of him...a 3rd stringer or developing guy that can come in and play some minutes when needed? Naw. Let's have 10 guards instead.

Who's the 7 ft version of Martin?

I don't know that a 3rd string C counts as a real "need", but I would be surprised if it doesn't get addressed at the deadline or on the buy-out market nonetheless.

I would say another scorer off the bench that can create their own shot is the far more pressing need, but I think there's a decent chance that doesn't get addressed this deadline.

The scorer off the bench...we certainly agree on.

[rapsincr]

They waved to each other.
They faceoff again tomorrow, they’ll shake hands then.

I don’t understand the hate for the best coach in franchise history. The man helped us win our first ever title but people seem to hate him around here.

will lou tonight said he thought nurse quit on the city and team and he had a discussion with masai and he had similar feelings. was a scumbag move by nurse imo.

"goodluck with those guys"

and we got rid of each and every single one of those guys except scottie

how was Nurse wrong?

regardless of if we traded them away or not, such a dick move to say that. we gave nick his shot in the NBA, gave him everything he has now. i credit him for helping us win the chip, that being said, **** that guy. if that were a player that amidst a playoff push, that went into a rival teams city and said what he said(unprompted just like nurse)then signed with that team in the off season while taking shots at us at the same time, he would be despised in the city for the rest of time.

[Tripod]

Yes, we do.

We just saw what Martin did, right? Is it so awful to want to have a 7ft version of him...a 3rd stringer or developing guy that can come in and play some minutes when needed? Naw. Let's have 10 guards instead.

Who's the 7 ft version of Martin?

I don't know that a 3rd string C counts as a real "need", but I would be surprised if it doesn't get addressed at the deadline or on the buy-out market nonetheless.

I would say another scorer off the bench that can create their own shot is the far more pressing need, but I think there's a decent chance that doesn't get addressed this deadline.

If Poeltl can stay healthy, we don't even need another C with the additions of CMB/Mamu. Problem is Poeltl can't stay healthy.

I'm hoping we get a large on-ball guard in the draft considering that seems to be the deepest archetype so far.

If you were to look at my posting history, you would see that I have had this opinion for awhile.

I have had the opinion that we need another "big" C on the roster BECAUSE common sense says Yak won't play 82 games a season in any year.

I 100% was for adding Mamu and even suggested it(and Bassey) before he ever signed. I thought he would be a good small ball backup C who could shoot to give us a different look. Him added to Barnes and CMB, lots of small ball guys we can throw at C while another plays PF with that C.

But we never prepared for if Yak got hurt AND we needed a big C to go against guys who are just too physically big or strong for Mamu, Barnes or CMB. Having the OPTION of throwing in a different guy for those matchups is what I wanted....and have for awhile.

I don't think it's unreasonable to want 2 7ft guys out of your 18 guy roster in case you NEED another big body at C. Even if it's to save some wear and tear on Barnes, Mamu, and CMB.

We have so many guards and forwards...a bunch that don't play...wishing for 1 less while having 1 more big C in case we need it, isn't a crazy ask.

Yak will miss more games after he comes back and every year after. We are equipped to play small ball in his absence with lots of options. We however are not prepared to replace his size and be big. I just want to to have that option when the matchup dictates it. That's all.

[ArthurVandelay]

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This is wild. Further to this...

They hit 35.8% of 3s in losses and just 33.2% in wins.

They are 6-5 when they hit 40% or higher.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Great win. I'm not sure what Oubre was even thinking with a two handed shove on a bad angle. Just gave the game away. Why was Nurse even putting him in there in a defensive situation? Why didn't Darko put a shooter in? We got a little lucky, for sure.

If Bona was a Raptor, every time he got ragdolled and ended up on the floor would have been a no call. If 6 feet guards are dumping you that easily it's because you're not strong enough yet, and refs usually recognize that.

I think Gradey and Battle just really struggled with the physicality of the game. With Gradey, he tends to go too hard to compensate and rushes his shots or puts his body in harm's way. Battle is more of a shrinking violet and plays soft.

[Johnny Bball]

You need a mix of players and sometimes you just need that cocky sob on your team as well.

You guys love saying this **** for our players but if we were facing him you would be bitching about how dumb he is.

Obviously everyone has a bias towards their own players.

Maxey seems to talk a fair bit of trash. I didn't pay much attention to in game chirping, but assuming Martin was relatively quiet most of time he was defending Maxey. To me it seems like he had enough, game over, and well... have some. There's nothing wrong with any of that.

[Johnny Bball]

I figured it out. Scottie’s groupies have found one person to displace all blame to(Quickley).

Lot more than that. IQ is fraying my every last nerve lately. He hits the game winner, but for the hour before I was steaming lol. He's played well enough to keep me from even commenting and spoiling the vibe.

Too often I'm yelling at my TV because some plays are spectacularly stupid. And at this point in his career those should be less frequent mistakes.

[Johnny Bball]

If Scottie keeps this up we won't even feel the void of Ingram not playing.

Yeah...that's asking a lot

That’s his job. He has this in him. We all know it. We need it more than once every five games. We need it four of every five games.

He looks like he's figuring that out. And for 48 minutes, he's not disappearing and deferring in the opening minutes too. This would be a big deal for this franchise.

[traps#10]

Martin >> Dick + Walter

[Indeed]

will lou tonight said he thought nurse quit on the city and team and he had a discussion with masai and he had similar feelings. was a scumbag move by nurse imo.

"goodluck with those guys"

and we got rid of each and every single one of those guys except scottie

how was Nurse wrong?

regardless of if we traded them away or not, such a dick move to say that. we gave nick his shot in the NBA, gave him everything he has now. i credit him for helping us win the chip, that being said, **** that guy. if that were a player that amidst a playoff push, that went into a rival teams city and said what he said(unprompted just like nurse)then signed with that team in the off season while taking shots at us at the same time, he would be despised in the city for the rest of time.

I dont recall Nurse said anything about the city. And did Nurse quit on us first or the FO?

It feels the FO has a mandate to pla Flynn, Trent. All I feel is FO (doubt these are Ujiri) wants to build around Barnes, yet, we traded away better talent for him to succeed, not success though. So what exactly you want Nurse to do when this is more politices (or ego) with the FO quiting on them. Did Siakam quit the city? Probably when he is the best player and not being build and repected on.

[HumbleRen]

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This is probably why Boston gives us so much trouble. We’re like the polar opposites of each other on offence lol.

[Chuck Everett]

That overtime was filled with playoff like intensity. The 3-on-1 fastbreak that Quickley screwed up by being selfish was maddening. I also agree with the comment regarding the man to man pressure defense. All ball screens switched and there was no offensive advantage. Philly was basically hoisting prayers, while Raps were still running offense.

Just an enjoyable battle between two teams who really wanted to win that one.

[mihaic]

Great win. I'm not sure what Oubre was even thinking with a two handed shove on a bad angle. Just gave the game away. Why was Nurse even putting him in there in a defensive situation? Why didn't Darko put a shooter in? We got a little lucky, for sure.

If Bona was a Raptor, every time he got ragdolled and ended up on the floor would have been a no call. If 6 feet guards are dumping you that easily it's because you're not strong enough yet, and refs usually recognize that.

I think Gradey and Battle just really struggled with the physicality of the game. With Gradey, he tends to go too hard to compensate and rushes his shots or puts his body in harm's way. Battle is more of a shrinking violet and plays soft.

I think Scottie would have turned the corner for the dunk, if not for the shove.

[tsherkin]

That overtime was filled with playoff like intensity. The 3-on-1 fastbreak that Quickley screwed up by being selfish was maddening. I also agree with the comment regarding the man to man pressure defense. All ball screens switched and there was no offensive advantage. Philly was basically hoisting prayers, while Raps were still running offense.

Just an enjoyable battle between two teams who really wanted to win that one.

I honestly thought this one was done in regulation, but our guys kept at it and made OT happen despite some gaffs. And then like you said, that OT was remarkably intense. It was a blast to watch!

[MEDIC]

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This is why you need dogs. Shots aren't going to fall every night. Still need to find a way to scrap out a win.

Too often in the modern NBA I hear "well, our 3 point shots weren't falling, so you can't expect to win on those nights".

Soft.

It's like the NBA has turned into a game of darts or something.

It's still a physical game & you can still grind out wins. You just have to have players that have have the right temperament & are willing to play that way.

I thought last night's game was one of the most entertaining games of the year. It was a a rough minebuster type roller coaster ride, but I enjoyed the grit and unpredictability of the game.

It looked more like and NCAA game.......which I like. Looked less scripted & less like a pickup game.

[Agimat]

Love that Ingram, while on the sidelines (a very familiar territory for him) realized this isn’t the Pelicans racking up Ls anymore. He’s in a real winning culture now, with a young core growing alongside him and SB leading the way.

[MEDIC]

That overtime was filled with playoff like intensity. The 3-on-1 fastbreak that Quickley screwed up by being selfish was maddening. I also agree with the comment regarding the man to man pressure defense. All ball screens switched and there was no offensive advantage. Philly was basically hoisting prayers, while Raps were still running offense.

Just an enjoyable battle between two teams who really wanted to win that one.

I don't even think Quickley was being selfish. You are giving him too much credit here. I just think he is not skilled enough to make the proper reads in those situations. He's not really a fast processor, & he doesn't have great court vision. I thought it was just him not knowing what to do, so he just rushed/ panicked . It happens often enough with him.

If Quickley isn't the shooter that he is, he's probably not even in the NBA.

[RoteSchroder]

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This is probably why Boston gives us so much trouble. We’re like the polar opposites of each other on offence lol.

We’re still a mid team. The top teams will likely have our number until we get the health and bench problems worked out.

[Rodrickle]

With Shead, CMB Barnes and now Martin, we have dogs and are cementing our defensive identity. Its too bad Martin won't be eligible for the playoffs. We are better off sending Agbaji into capspace with a second or two and picking up a cheap third string big while converting him.

I love RJ and his rim pressure, but can anyone imagine this team with Dillon Brooks? A few WTF plays here and there, but man, Good luck scoring on us