Fischer/Stein: Raps trying to see what RJ/IQ/Poeltl gets // Still trying for Anthony Davis

[MEDIC]

Really! Still AD? Why??

Money.

So basically the will have traded OG for cap space.

They are.desperate if they are offering RJ now.

[SurgeIblocka]

Our current GM said that the Ingram trade was not his and a bad one. I seriously doubt we will be anything better, particularly, we would be a tanking team without Ingram.

where did he say it was bad? From what I read he said it was an incremental move, which it was. much like this move would be. we're probably like two moves away from doing anything but we're headed down that path.

you go get ja or ad and then you do something more next year.

the whole point is that they're not locked down on this core and they shouldn't be outside of scottie/cmb and they're not moving those guys. so what's the problem here?

just being negative to be negative because miserable toronto sports fans only feel comfort when they live in that?

https://raptorsrapture.com/raptors-brandon-ingram-experiment-might-not-last-long-masai-ujiri-bobby-webster

People in the room disagree.
I dont know if I am miserable or I understand the reason they extended Webster, more like Ed Rogers was not happy with the move and want an opposite opinion, and that would make sense to me from all these transition.

Ed is a cheap Mofo, he didn’t want to pay Masai after the championship, didn’t replace Shannahan’s position to save money, did not hire a president of the Raptors after a sham search instead went with a cheap option in Bobby. Ed is one of those owners that doesn’t believe in paying for talent in management.

[WuTang_CMB]

Really! Still AD? Why??

Money.

So basically the will have traded OG for cap space.

They are.desperate if they are offering RJ now.

plus they want to up the ante on ATL.

[VanWest82]

This team hasn’t been fully healthy all season but no one has structural issues. We don’t have years of data with the current group to even make informed decisions. The idea that they’re going to trade any big pieces before at least seeing this season play out is ridiculous. It’s not happening regardless of how much some may want it to happen.

Jake Fischer is selling clicks per usual.

You need years of data? C'mon.

They don't want to or know they won't be able to extend RJ.
They want out of the IQ contract badly.
Poetl's got chronic back issues that will plague his contract, so yeah, they want out of that too.

This is very obvious.

Let’s be real. You have no idea what they want or don’t want, especially as it pertains to RJ. And maybe we don’t need years of data but at least one year of data seems reasonable, especially given that so far they’ve shown capability of a four seed.

Also, Poeltl doesn’t have chronic back issues. There’s no structural damage. So far it’s a muscle issue that didn’t get rehabbed properly. Chronic means it’s recurring. There have been no other years in his career where he missed extended time with back problems. Basically, your entire post is incorrect or misleading.

[SurgeIblocka]

Masai’s worst move of his career with the Raptors was making Bobby GM

[CazOnReal]

A backcourt of Scottie with Saobonis appears in my nightmares

Don't you f-cking dare, Bobby

I mean, ideally you'd want them in the frontcourt.

You know what I meant, a frontcourt of them would be a crime against basketball

[Rodrickle]

IQ , Poeltl and a first, sure! but we'll be a worse team trading RJ, especially since AD is constantly injured.

Might have to throw in 2 picks if its IQ and Poeltl

[Indeed]

where did he say it was bad? From what I read he said it was an incremental move, which it was. much like this move would be. we're probably like two moves away from doing anything but we're headed down that path.

you go get ja or ad and then you do something more next year.

the whole point is that they're not locked down on this core and they shouldn't be outside of scottie/cmb and they're not moving those guys. so what's the problem here?

just being negative to be negative because miserable toronto sports fans only feel comfort when they live in that?

https://raptorsrapture.com/raptors-brandon-ingram-experiment-might-not-last-long-masai-ujiri-bobby-webster

People in the room disagree.
I dont know if I am miserable or I understand the reason they extended Webster, more like Ed Rogers was not happy with the move and want an opposite opinion, and that would make sense to me from all these transition.

Ed is a cheap Mofo, he didn’t want to pay Masai after the championship, didn’t replace Shannahan’s position to save money, did not hire a president of the Raptors after a sham search instead went with a cheap option in Bobby. Ed is one of those owners that doesn’t believe in paying for talent in management.

Sure, but I also believe that Ed Rogers disagree with Ujiri, otherwise, he would be there for his final year. And the rumour is to show that there are people disagree with Ujiri, so they should stay, which are the current front office.

These rumours are here for political reason and align to the new owner who does not agree with the Ingram trade, they bring back who disagreed on Ujiri to claim that they should stay with the organization, and Webster staying means his opinion align with Ed Rogers and object to Ujiri, a political show, but also indicate what Webster was decided during that trade.

[ConSarnit]

Sure they are. They're our major tradeable salaries and the deadline is in 3 weeks. It would be criminal of the FO to NOT see what we can get.

That said, I don't really want a Sabonis trade, or anyone off SAC except maybe Monk in a smaller deal that doesn't involve our starters. I don't see a player out there that we could get right now that helps us make a deep playoff push this year, or makes us better in the long run.

Seems like a "shuffling the deck chairs" type move.

This group has shown some.chemistry. Why mess with it for a player like Sabonis?

I could potentially see IQ or RJ get moved.......but it will be for money purposes. Not to necessarily upgrade the team.

Weird how Masai gave all of these big contracts out. It was almost like he knew he was on his way out & wanted to set "his guys" up for the future before being walked out.

I dont think Masai would have that irresponsible thinking.

I think the FO as a whole saw the OG deal as a stop gap. At the time, reports were that Indy and NY were bidding on OG. I am curious what the package was for Indy - it likely would have been a bigger deal with Siakam too. Nonthless they took IQ/RJ package. To me, they were always going to see what was out there in order to get better players. They knew they had to pay IQ once the trade was made. If IQ turned legit, they keep him or they do what they are now - a guy playing below his contract but decent enough and explore what better players they can get for him.

So Masai’s grand plan was to trade OG for a stopgap and then sign that “stop gap” for 5 years?

If this is the case he deserved to be fired, regardless of his salary.

[C_Money]

Including RJ in this trade would be so dumb.

[YogurtProducer]

Really! Still AD? Why??

Money.

So basically the will have traded OG for cap space.

They are.desperate if they are offering RJ now.

How is that for cap space? AD is on the books for another year, and has a PO for the year after

[YogurtProducer]

I really do not buy these rumors at all tbh.

We are not a contender with AD, don't really save any money at all, and get way older.

[ConSarnit]

Why in the world would any team want to trade for Poeltl right now? Until he can prove he’s healthy why would anyone touch him?

Unless Poeltl bounces back in the next week or two I can’t see any reason why another team would want to trade for him before the deadline.

[WuTang_CMB]

Seems like a "shuffling the deck chairs" type move.

This group has shown some.chemistry. Why mess with it for a player like Sabonis?

I could potentially see IQ or RJ get moved.......but it will be for money purposes. Not to necessarily upgrade the team.

Weird how Masai gave all of these big contracts out. It was almost like he knew he was on his way out & wanted to set "his guys" up for the future before being walked out.

I dont think Masai would have that irresponsible thinking.

I think the FO as a whole saw the OG deal as a stop gap. At the time, reports were that Indy and NY were bidding on OG. I am curious what the package was for Indy - it likely would have been a bigger deal with Siakam too. Nonthless they took IQ/RJ package. To me, they were always going to see what was out there in order to get better players. They knew they had to pay IQ once the trade was made. If IQ turned legit, they keep him or they do what they are now - a guy playing below his contract but decent enough and explore what better players they can get for him.

So Masai’s grand plan was to trade OG for a stopgap and then sign that “stop gap” for 5 years?

If this is the case he deserved to be fired, regardless of his salary.

They waited too long with OG.

The Siakam deal was a stop gap too. The return was significantly different then what they got the day of the trade. They pretty much took it and turned it into BI and more.

They are trying to do the same with IQ/RJ and upgrade. So far, no luck

[SFour]

Seems like they really don't want to give RJ his next big contract

[ConSarnit]

I dont think Masai would have that irresponsible thinking.

I think the FO as a whole saw the OG deal as a stop gap. At the time, reports were that Indy and NY were bidding on OG. I am curious what the package was for Indy - it likely would have been a bigger deal with Siakam too. Nonthless they took IQ/RJ package. To me, they were always going to see what was out there in order to get better players. They knew they had to pay IQ once the trade was made. If IQ turned legit, they keep him or they do what they are now - a guy playing below his contract but decent enough and explore what better players they can get for him.

So Masai’s grand plan was to trade OG for a stopgap and then sign that “stop gap” for 5 years?

If this is the case he deserved to be fired, regardless of his salary.

They waited too long with OG.

The Siakam deal was a stop gap too. The return was significantly different then what they got the day of the trade. They pretty much took it and turned it into BI and more.

They are trying to do the same with IQ/RJ and upgrade. So far, no luck

If their plan was to do that with IQ and Barrett that is just a terrible plan.

It’s far easier to trade 1sts and expiring salary (ie the returns in the Siakam trade) than it is to trade Barrett (who was considered a bad contract at the time) and IQ (who we overpaid for 5 years). Signing a guy to a long term questionable contract (IQ) to try and flip him is one of the worst team building strategies I’ve ever heard of.

[Grew]

RJ has proven he deserves to be here over IQ and Yak. He's the best canadian to ever play here, wants to stay forever, and he's adapted perfectly to the role given to him.

He feels like the heart and soul of this unit. His ability to get to the rim unlocks the floor for a whole roster, who can't consistently get their feet in the paint like RJ. It's no coincidence we shoot so much better when RJ plays.

I think trading RJ before the other two, for anything less than a Demar for Kawhi upgrade, would be a tragedy. If you can get Giannis well you pull the trigger.

If he's dealt for someone like AD, I have to chalk some of it up to front office pressure to win now, to shake things up, and get a marketable exciting name.

Bobbys cap focus and our greedy owner are really scary, after having Masai and the previous owners be all about winning, and doing things the right way.

I hope this is mostly smoke from the media, and Bobby just kicking the tires on all that's available.

[T_saurus]

I'm not against a trade but NO BOBBY to AD, sabonis or jah

We don't need other team's crap.

I might rethink it if we were to win a trade in a very lopsided manner. I'm more interested in MPJ anyway.

[RaptorLakerJay]

KEEP RJ

[ConSarnit]

Seems like they really don't want to give RJ his next big contract

At the rate things are going, probably not.

And it’s not really RJ’s fault. He’s done what we’ve asked of him and improved. But when you’ve got potential anchors in IQ and Poeltl currently on the books you can’t really take the risk of adding another anchor if you overpay RJ.

If you re-up RJ to a large contract you’ve locked yourself into this core without much flexibility.