Fischer/Stein: Raps trying to see what RJ/IQ/Poeltl gets // Still trying for Anthony Davis

[Kingsway_fan]

If healthy that is great irl.

Over the tax as well.

Sounds like Rogers has no problem paying the tax. Seems like they want to run the Raptors like the Jays and based on this past World Series appearance and how aggressive they have been in the offseason...might not be a bad thing.

I will believe that when I see it.

[YogurtProducer]

Morant / Walter / Ingram / Barnes / AD

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Shead / Mamu / CMB / Martin / Lawson / Battle

Need some bench help.

Between Ja / BI / AD we might see them play 5 games together.

We have only had 6 games this year with 5 starters+CMB

That’s 6 players not 3 lol

[TGM]

If you look at the state of the current team. If we kept everything as is. Our cap situation is not great cause of the IQ and Jak contracts. Yet our ceiling is quite obvious. You can only internally develop players so much. CMB is good but he is not Cooper Flagg. So we have basically two paths trade or draft. Where we are in the standings who you draft in the summer likely needs 2-3 years to be a contributor and that’s assuming you nail the draft. But if you add another decent starter rotation non-star piece which is highly and good outcome, you once again are not raising your ceiling by much. The current teams starters also have a physical and mental timeline and will expect improvements and not just wait till management nails th draft finding the next Jokic.

This brings us to option two. You trade to raise your ceiling. Call us a 50 win team right now. The guys we are rumoured to be trading for pretty much could raise our ceiling to a 60 win team and advance us one more round further in the playoffs or pull us to parity with teams like the Knicks. But cause of their injury risk we could be a 40 win team. Is there really a difference between a 40 and 50 win team? The reality is there isn’t.That is why trading for the possibility of a 60 win team makes sense. Even if it means going into the tax. If you can get AD and Ja and the cost is RJ, IQ, Jak and only one first in 2026. You absolutely do it! Even if it means extending AD for 3 years at max. You play basketball to win a championship and not to put a treadmill team. 40-50 wins are treadmill teams.if Raptors can add AD and Ja or Ja and Sabonis while keeping most of their draft capital what you have given up is really a 2026!or 2027 first round pick to raise your teams ceiling. You do that trade everyday of the week. We shouldn’t be keeping IQ, RJ and Jak just for the sake of seeing them on the floor to deliver a 50 win team.

IQ and Jak’s contracts are slight negatives to neutrals. RH I think has value. We ain’t having cap space for anytime soon.

So you either make a trade with more upside and downside or you stay put.

We had a 50 win team for many years with the Lowry Derozan combo, but to get destroyed in the playoffs for I don’t know how many years until we got Kawhi. First it was the Nets and Pierce than it was Lebronto. Now it will be Payton Pritchard, Brunson and Maxey. I have little interest watching a decade long 50 win team that sometimes gets past the first round, sometimes doesn’t and always gets eliminated in the second round.

Morant wants to be in Miami, AD just wants the $ and extension.
These are not players that will take you to the finals. They are selfish and winning a championship is very low on their priority list. Kawhi at least had something to prove and his talent level was top 5 in the league. Morant is not even in top 50 considerations, AD can be top 15 but hardly plays and that is not changing because it has been proven his entire 10 year career.

Not saying Morant and AD win you a chip. Just saying for really what is a first round pick and th willingness to become a 40 win team should injuries hit your cost is a first round pick for a 60 win team. In fact I rather be a 40 win team due to injuries than a steady 50 win team. At 40 wins there might be that odd year you miss the play-in and can get some lottery balls. My recommendation to do these trades are predicated on the low asking price.

[ArthurVandelay]

Going to need a third team involved if the rumours have legs.

Not much being said about Dallas’ cap sheet state. They are only $1.2m away from the second apron and deep in the tax. Plus, they don’t own their picks in 2027 or 2028. No one wants to be a laughingstock like the Pelicans this year.

I wouldnt mind not having future picks when I can draft Flagg. I mean, you cant even trade for Flagg with multiple top 10 picks.

True. But after the Doncic trade especially, going to be pretty tough to sell a losing season(s) with no draft pick(s). There is no incentive to be bad.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[ForeverTFC]

If the AD news is real, seems like Ingram's contract is the north star they're following.

You can argue that's a smart and calculated approach if you are not giving up any future assets beyond that timeline. You can also argue that ownership has given the same timeline to the FO to keep their jobs. It's probably a combination of both and I don't know how i feel about that.

[NoBias]

AD is fat and on the injury list every other week. Stay away.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[Gavin_TDThree]

I'd have to think with Quickley being out tonight there's gotta be something nearing the finish line

[djsunyc]

if these rumors are to be believed then it's possible rj's camp gave bobby what they are expecting for an extension and he thinks it's too much.

[RoteSchroder]

so...why are we competing with ourselves overpaying players then having buyer's remorse 5 seconds later..

I can imagine Raps giving AD his max extension, then try to trade him the following year to get out of his contract with a 1st round pick attached

[AkelaLoneWolf]

If the AD news is real, seems like Ingram's contract is the north star they're following.

You can argue that's a smart and calculated approach if you are not giving up any future assets beyond that timeline. You can also argue that ownership has given the same timeline to the FO to keep their jobs. It's probably a combination of both and I don't know how i feel about that.

if that is the plan, should've gone after Trae.

Trae for IQ plus filler
Giannis for Barnes, CMB, draft picks filler

Roll with Trae, RJ, BI, Giannis, Poeltl. That will compete with NYK anyday

[AkelaLoneWolf]

no AD please.
I do feel we're in the conversation as leverage against the Hawks to extract something more than an expiring contract.

[ForeverTFC]

If the AD news is real, seems like Ingram's contract is the north star they're following.

You can argue that's a smart and calculated approach if you are not giving up any future assets beyond that timeline. You can also argue that ownership has given the same timeline to the FO to keep their jobs. It's probably a combination of both and I don't know how i feel about that.

if that is the plan, should've gone after Trae.

Trae for IQ plus filler
Giannis for Barnes, CMB, draft picks filler

Roll with Trae, RJ, BI, Giannis, Poeltl. That will compete with NYK anyday

Hawks wanted salary relief. We don't have that. And there's no way Bucks are trading Giannis without multiple picks.

[Raptors Realtor]

If the AD news is real, seems like Ingram's contract is the north star they're following.

You can argue that's a smart and calculated approach if you are not giving up any future assets beyond that timeline. You can also argue that ownership has given the same timeline to the FO to keep their jobs. It's probably a combination of both and I don't know how i feel about that.

if that is the plan, should've gone after Trae.

Trae for IQ plus filler
Giannis for Barnes, CMB, draft picks filler

Roll with Trae, RJ, BI, Giannis, Poeltl. That will compete with NYK anyday

I wouldn't deal Barnes and CMB for Giannis at this stage, let alone including picks on top of it.

[Raptorfan2012]

AD is exactly the kind of big you want next to Ingram
and Scottie… when healthy. Fits this team very well.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

If the AD news is real, seems like Ingram's contract is the north star they're following.

You can argue that's a smart and calculated approach if you are not giving up any future assets beyond that timeline. You can also argue that ownership has given the same timeline to the FO to keep their jobs. It's probably a combination of both and I don't know how i feel about that.

if that is the plan, should've gone after Trae.

Trae for IQ plus filler
Giannis for Barnes, CMB, draft picks filler

Roll with Trae, RJ, BI, Giannis, Poeltl. That will compete with NYK anyday

I wouldn't deal Barnes and CMB for Giannis at this stage, let alone including picks on top of it.

why not. Barnes is a very good player but will never at giannis level; cmb also good role player but not all star.
This way you have trae, RJ, BI, Giannis contracts all that expire at the end of next year. Gives us a 2 year shot to win it all; if not, break it down and start all over.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

AD is exactly the kind of big you want next to Ingram
and Scottie… when healthy. Fits this team very well.

key phrase right there...just too high risk right now and doesn't really take us to another level.

[Raptors Realtor]

if that is the plan, should've gone after Trae.

Trae for IQ plus filler
Giannis for Barnes, CMB, draft picks filler

Roll with Trae, RJ, BI, Giannis, Poeltl. That will compete with NYK anyday

I wouldn't deal Barnes and CMB for Giannis at this stage, let alone including picks on top of it.

why not. Barnes is a very good player but will never at giannis level; cmb also good role player but not all star.
This way you have trae, RJ, BI, Giannis contracts all that expire at the end of next year. Gives us a 2 year shot to win it all; if not, break it down and start all over.

Giannis is great obviously, but he's 31, whereas Barnes is only 24 and is a few years away from his prime, and it's way too early to determine CMB's ceiling, however as a 21 year old rookie, he's been very impressive... I'd personally rather have the Scottie & CMB combo for the next 10-15 years vs Giannis for the next 5.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I wouldn't deal Barnes and CMB for Giannis at this stage, let alone including picks on top of it.

why not. Barnes is a very good player but will never at giannis level; cmb also good role player but not all star.
This way you have trae, RJ, BI, Giannis contracts all that expire at the end of next year. Gives us a 2 year shot to win it all; if not, break it down and start all over.

Giannis is great obviously, but he's 31, whereas Barnes is only 24 and is a few years away from his prime, and it's way too early to determine CMB's ceiling, however as a 21 year old rookie, he's been very impressive... I'd personally rather have the Scottie & CMB combo for the next 10-15 years vs Giannis for the next 5.

giannis at 31 is better than scottie at 24(or any age for that matter). any championship window only lasts 2-3 years at best in the parity era. this gives us our shot. i'd love to keep cmb if possible and replace with picks sure