Fischer/Stein: Raps trying to see what RJ/IQ/Poeltl gets // Still trying for Anthony Davis

[dublo7]

Unless Trump starts another pandemic AD is going to be useless wherever he is. AFAIC, we're playing with him now - on the bench. Just stay away from him. Get a real centre, not someone who wants to play Scotties position.
Sabonis is no defense centre. consider Edey, Dayron, JJJ - someone who can possibly replace Poetl.

please stay way from the AD contract

[Supermann98]

Only way I want AD is if we can dump that Poetl albatross contract off in exchange. Id throw in Agbaji and Gradey because they suck but no RJ, no 1sts (protected or otherwise), and I'd be hesitant to even include IQ, despite his enormous contract he's at least useful

[TGM]

Everyone hating the idea of acquiring AD cause they think we are giving up too much.

If it is IQ and Jak plus a first that is honestly not a bad deal. People are underestimating how impactful AD can be. I know people will say he constantly gets injured and that’s what people were saying about BI as well and wanted Bobby fired.

People honestly aren’t seeing how much adding an AD improves everyone else.

I’m not nuts about including RJ, but I am for acquiring a tier one two way player even though there are injury risks.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Everyone hating the idea of acquiring AD cause they think we are giving up too much.

If it is IQ and Jak plus a first that is honestly not a bad deal. People are underestimating how impactful AD can be. I know people will say he constantly gets injured and that’s what people were saying about BI as well and wanted Bobby fired.

People honestly aren’t seeing how much adding an AD improves everyone else.

I’m not nuts about including RJ, but I am for acquiring a tier one two way player even though there are injury risks.

I don't think the issue with AD is really the acquisition cost (though to be fair I don't think we can get him for IQ AND Yak. It will be RJ with one of them - the remaining future money after this year is roughly in the same ballpark in that scenario, while Yak+IQ is like $200M in future salary). He is a distressed asset that you're buying low on. The issue is the retention cost, because Rich Paul is pushing for him to get dealt before this deadline to land one last big extension on top of the 2 yrs, 120M he has after this year. There's a reason we're one of the teams he's been mentioned as being amenable to go to

[Gavin_TDThree]

Trade season has officially "started". I believe as of the 15th anyone who signed a contract in the offseason can be moved

[Gavin_TDThree]

Everyone hating the idea of acquiring AD cause they think we are giving up too much.

If it is IQ and Jak plus a first that is honestly not a bad deal. People are underestimating how impactful AD can be. I know people will say he constantly gets injured and that’s what people were saying about BI as well and wanted Bobby fired.

People honestly aren’t seeing how much adding an AD improves everyone else.

I’m not nuts about including RJ, but I am for acquiring a tier one two way player even though there are injury risks.

I don't think the issue with AD is really the acquisition cost (though to be fair I don't think we can get him for IQ AND Yak. It will be RJ with one of them - the remaining future money after this year is roughly in the same ballpark in that scenario, while Yak+IQ is like $200M in future salary). He is a distressed asset that you're buying low on. The issue is the retention cost, because Rich Paul is pushing for him to get dealt before this deadline to land one last big extension on top of the 2 yrs, 120M he has after this year. There's a reason we're one of the teams he's been mentioned as being amenable to go to

You both make very good points. A lot of hesitation surrounding BI was that 1) he's always hurt and 2) we were being told that we are in a rebuild, why are we making this kind of move? The BI price was fortunately very low all things considered.

Back to AD. We can make a similar argument that AD is a buy low asset that if we can somehow manage his injuries it's going to be a huge win for our team! I think this were a lot of us start feeling unsure. RJ + JAK + 1st starts feeling like a lot, especially after seeing the impact RJ has had on our team. Canadian kid, loves being here, plays hard, willing to change his game to fit the team structure. He's such an important glue guy.

AD is getting older, wants a massive contract and with his injury history, it may become the worst contract in the league.

I can stomach IQ + JAK + 1st for AD. RJ is the one I start pushing back on. I'm not opposed to moving RJ, but my fear is once we move him we will be looking for an RJ esque player.

[TGM]

I see trading for Davis partly as a way to clean up our cap sheet.

If the acquisition cost is IQ, Jak and a first I think that is acceptable. RJ instead of IQ makes it a bit harder to stomach. However, let's say it is the first.

We won't extend Davis without seeing his ability to play. Especially since there is one more year on his contract as well as the player option.

If Davis plays well and can give you 60-65 games a season at high production, sure extend him for 3 years on a 2+1. If he plays like crap, don't give him the extension or have the contract based on games played. He might try to screw the pooch and play like crap next season and not give effort if he doesn't get his contract, but you now have a 60 million expiring contract. BI may opt out as well, with RJ also a FA. Raps would have insane cap room after the 2026-2027 and could use their cap space like the nets and have a fresh start. That cap space could easily get some first round picks back for absorbing other players.

All in All this gives us a chance to win or a chance to reset. So in my mind its a win-win regardless.

[6ixset]

I see trading for Davis partly as a way to clean up our cap sheet.

If the acquisition cost is IQ, Jak and a first I think that is acceptable. RJ instead of IQ makes it a bit harder to stomach. However, let's say it is the first.

We won't extend Davis without seeing his ability to play. Especially since there is one more year on his contract as well as the player option.

If Davis plays well and can give you 60-65 games a season at high production, sure extend him for 3 years on a 2+1. If he plays like crap, don't give him the extension or have the contract based on games played. He might try to screw the pooch and play like crap next season and not give effort if he doesn't get his contract, but you now have a 60 million expiring contract. BI may opt out as well, with RJ also a FA. Raps would have insane cap room after the 2026-2027 and could use their cap space like the nets and have a fresh start. That cap space could easily get some first round picks back for absorbing other players.

All in All this gives us a chance to win or a chance to reset. So in my mind its a win-win regardless.

Agreed. I am okay with IQ and JAK, but I wouldn't be happy seeing RJ included in any of this. Originally didn't want anything to do with AD with these frequent injuries, but I am curious to see what wonders Dr. McKechnie could maybe pull off with him.

[Thaddy]

I'd do IQ + Yak for Davis. Just save him for the playoffs and see what happens. Otherwise he's a big expiring contract. We shouldn't be giving up any picks.

Likely it will be IQ + RJ. Then we end up thin at PG but figure it out for the rest of the season.


Davis / Poeltl
Barnes / Mamu
Ingram / CMB
Walter / Dick
Shead / Hepburn?

[Raptorfan2012]

I'd do IQ + Yak for Davis. Just save him for the playoffs and see what happens. Otherwise he's a big expiring contract. We shouldn't be giving up any picks.

Likely it will be IQ + RJ. Then we end up thin at PG but figure it out for the rest of the season.


Davis / Poeltl
Barnes / Mamu
Ingram / CMB
Walter / Dick
Shead / Hepburn?

It most likely will be IQ + RJ plus some sort of protected pick, which talent wise is better than what Atlanta offer (Porz + Kennard) if Dallas prefers to have some useable pieces over expiring contracts. This will mean we will now have tons of money invested in 2 bigs that are in and out of a line up. A follow up trade will have to be made to get a point guard to replace IQ.

[causal_fan]

I'd do IQ + Yak for Davis. Just save him for the playoffs and see what happens. Otherwise he's a big expiring contract. We shouldn't be giving up any picks.

Likely it will be IQ + RJ. Then we end up thin at PG but figure it out for the rest of the season.


Davis / Poeltl
Barnes / Mamu
Ingram / CMB
Walter / Dick
Shead / Hepburn?

You are not getting AD without agreeing to extend him and that extension along with his inherent injury risk is a franchise killer for me.

[PushDaRock]

Everyone hating the idea of acquiring AD cause they think we are giving up too much.

If it is IQ and Jak plus a first that is honestly not a bad deal. People are underestimating how impactful AD can be. I know people will say he constantly gets injured and that’s what people were saying about BI as well and wanted Bobby fired.

People honestly aren’t seeing how much adding an AD improves everyone else.

I’m not nuts about including RJ, but I am for acquiring a tier one two way player even though there are injury risks.

I don't think the issue with AD is really the acquisition cost (though to be fair I don't think we can get him for IQ AND Yak. It will be RJ with one of them - the remaining future money after this year is roughly in the same ballpark in that scenario, while Yak+IQ is like $200M in future salary). He is a distressed asset that you're buying low on. The issue is the retention cost, because Rich Paul is pushing for him to get dealt before this deadline to land one last big extension on top of the 2 yrs, 120M he has after this year. There's a reason we're one of the teams he's been mentioned as being amenable to go to

You both make very good points. A lot of hesitation surrounding BI was that 1) he's always hurt and 2) we were being told that we are in a rebuild, why are we making this kind of move? The BI price was fortunately very low all things considered.

Back to AD. We can make a similar argument that AD is a buy low asset that if we can somehow manage his injuries it's going to be a huge win for our team! I think this were a lot of us start feeling unsure. RJ + JAK + 1st starts feeling like a lot, especially after seeing the impact RJ has had on our team. Canadian kid, loves being here, plays hard, willing to change his game to fit the team structure. He's such an important glue guy.

AD is getting older, wants a massive contract and with his injury history, it may become the worst contract in the league.

I can stomach IQ + JAK + 1st for AD. RJ is the one I start pushing back on. I'm not opposed to moving RJ, but my fear is once we move him we will be looking for an RJ esque player.

Difference is we traded a bunch of scrubs + FRP +SRP for BI

For AD, we would have to trade 2 starters + draft capital

Massive difference between the 2 scenarios.

[Gavin_TDThree]

I don't think the issue with AD is really the acquisition cost (though to be fair I don't think we can get him for IQ AND Yak. It will be RJ with one of them - the remaining future money after this year is roughly in the same ballpark in that scenario, while Yak+IQ is like $200M in future salary). He is a distressed asset that you're buying low on. The issue is the retention cost, because Rich Paul is pushing for him to get dealt before this deadline to land one last big extension on top of the 2 yrs, 120M he has after this year. There's a reason we're one of the teams he's been mentioned as being amenable to go to

You both make very good points. A lot of hesitation surrounding BI was that 1) he's always hurt and 2) we were being told that we are in a rebuild, why are we making this kind of move? The BI price was fortunately very low all things considered.

Back to AD. We can make a similar argument that AD is a buy low asset that if we can somehow manage his injuries it's going to be a huge win for our team! I think this were a lot of us start feeling unsure. RJ + JAK + 1st starts feeling like a lot, especially after seeing the impact RJ has had on our team. Canadian kid, loves being here, plays hard, willing to change his game to fit the team structure. He's such an important glue guy.

AD is getting older, wants a massive contract and with his injury history, it may become the worst contract in the league.

I can stomach IQ + JAK + 1st for AD. RJ is the one I start pushing back on. I'm not opposed to moving RJ, but my fear is once we move him we will be looking for an RJ esque player.

Difference is we traded a bunch of scrubs + FRP +SRP for BI

For AD, we would have to trade 2 starters + draft capital

Massive difference between the 2 scenarios.

For sure complete agree. This is why I highlighted that the price was very low for BI. Making the money worth for AD inherently will require us to move talent which is a tough pill to swallow.

On the flip side, if AD was healthy and had played most of the games this year; the starting point for that deal would have been CMB ++++ minimum. Although the price for AD is still high, it's nowhere near what it could have been.

[Nature]

Only way AD agrees to come here is if we extend him. Just like the BI trade.

I would stay far, far away.

[PushDaRock]

You both make very good points. A lot of hesitation surrounding BI was that 1) he's always hurt and 2) we were being told that we are in a rebuild, why are we making this kind of move? The BI price was fortunately very low all things considered.

Back to AD. We can make a similar argument that AD is a buy low asset that if we can somehow manage his injuries it's going to be a huge win for our team! I think this were a lot of us start feeling unsure. RJ + JAK + 1st starts feeling like a lot, especially after seeing the impact RJ has had on our team. Canadian kid, loves being here, plays hard, willing to change his game to fit the team structure. He's such an important glue guy.

AD is getting older, wants a massive contract and with his injury history, it may become the worst contract in the league.

I can stomach IQ + JAK + 1st for AD. RJ is the one I start pushing back on. I'm not opposed to moving RJ, but my fear is once we move him we will be looking for an RJ esque player.

Difference is we traded a bunch of scrubs + FRP +SRP for BI

For AD, we would have to trade 2 starters + draft capital

Massive difference between the 2 scenarios.

For sure complete agree. This is why I highlighted that the price was very low for BI. Making the money worth for AD inherently will require us to move talent which is a tough pill to swallow.

On the flip side, if AD was healthy and had played most of the games this year; the starting point for that deal would have been CMB ++++ minimum. Although the price for AD is still high, it's nowhere near what it could have been.

Issue is he's never healthy. You have to prepare as though he will be a part-time player at this point when he is in year 14 and only getting older with more wear and tear. If it's just mainly IQ + Jak going out with no significant draft capital, maybe I consider that just for the potential upside and cleaner books. But, there's other factors to consider like AD surely wanting an extension and there being little incentive for Dallas to do that sort of deal.

[YogurtProducer]

I'd do IQ + Yak for Davis. Just save him for the playoffs and see what happens. Otherwise he's a big expiring contract. We shouldn't be giving up any picks.

Likely it will be IQ + RJ. Then we end up thin at PG but figure it out for the rest of the season.


Davis / Poeltl
Barnes / Mamu
Ingram / CMB
Walter / Dick
Shead / Hepburn?

I have no clue how anyone thinks we should be doing a win now move such as Davis that leaves us with a guard rotation of 4 dudes who are still questionable if they are even good bench players, let alone key rotation pieces.

Arguably our best 6 guys would be at the 3, 4, and 5 spots after that trade.

Trading away IQ AND RJ to me is just a non-starter for me, unless there is an upgrade at the guard spots coming back. Any IQ trade IMO needs a playable PG coming back to.

Edit: TBH - Ingram is the guy I personally would be most wanting to trade from our core 4 guys. He has been good but not great, and IMO has the least team friendly deal as there is always the chance he opts out after next year and we lose him for nothing or have to pay a 30 year old with an injury history.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[TorontoBarneys]

Zero interest in Davis, absolutely zero. I don't think there's any scenario where him coming over here is smart.

[Shakril]

People that are overreacting to Poeltl's injury are the same that want AD. You cant make up that s***.

[Jerry Lucas]

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FFS none of the Ja to Toronto smoke was coming from anyone legitimate until now. Unfortunately this is now legit intel (I really don't want Ja).