Collin Murray-Boyles Thread

[Nature]

CMBs rookie defense blows away what OG did and OG was great for a rookie.

A few weeks ago I would have said they were neck and neck. Now I think it's abundantly clear that CMB is the superior defender as a rookie.

Crossing my fingers that CMB can become a 35% shooter from 3.

[TimeForChange]

remember when there were only 3 or 4 people on here who wanted to draft CMB and everyone wanted Maluach?

remember the hate for the organization after CMB was drafted?

good times

[Duffman100]

remember when there were only 3 or 4 people on here who wanted to draft CMB and everyone wanted Maluach?

remember the hate for the organization after CMB was drafted?

good times

Honestly, I think I switched to various different people throughout the process. CMB was my initial projection but not sure I wanted him.

But I've learned to admit I just don't know. Especially with how good of a drafting team we are.

[Mikistan]

CMBs rookie defense blows away what OG did and OG was great for a rookie.

To be fair, OG was tasked with guarding the opponents best player while also shading Demar's man with help and secondary contests.

CMB has the benefit of playing next to Scottie. Can't think of anyone who is nearly as horrendous in D as demar was when looking at who CMB shares the floor with.

[ATLTimekeeper]

OG spent most of his rookie season on the floor. It took him a few years to learn how to use his body.

[Spates]

remember when there were only 3 or 4 people on here who wanted to draft CMB and everyone wanted Maluach?

remember the hate for the organization after CMB was drafted?

good times

Honestly, I think I switched to various different people throughout the process. CMB was my initial projection but not sure I wanted him.

But I've learned to admit I just don't know. Especially with how good of a drafting team we are.

Just come ask me. I'm always in the know.

[DreamTeam09]

remember when there were only 3 or 4 people on here who wanted to draft CMB and everyone wanted Maluach?

remember the hate for the organization after CMB was drafted?

good times

I wanted Maluach, and I fancy myself as a good draft prognosticator, I also dismissed CMB predeaft because I didn't envision his fit. Going over his game I was impressed tho, after they drafted him, I understood the vision of pairing him next to Barnes, but I was wrong predeaft process. I didn't see small ball 5 at all, next yr I wanna see what CMB looks like as a 3/4 hybrid

[OakleyDokely]

remember when there were only 3 or 4 people on here who wanted to draft CMB and everyone wanted Maluach?

remember the hate for the organization after CMB was drafted?

good times

I had Maluach higher on my board so I'm one of them.

[Godaddycurse]

remember when there were only 3 or 4 people on here who wanted to draft CMB and everyone wanted Maluach?

remember the hate for the organization after CMB was drafted?

good times

I wanted essengue which is even worse on hindsight

[dballislife]

i dont think i've ever seen 250 move his feet so quick before...quick hands for deflections and steals, quick feet guarding the perimeter, and heavy and strong enough to bang inside is such a rarity on defense

[MEDIC]

That amazing reddit post that I posted in here in the offseason and encouraged everyone to read and convinced a lot of people that CMB was legit, turned out to be legit.

I wrote that. So far his defense has been better than expected, his rebounding slightly better than expected, his playmaking about as expected, and his offense/self creation worse than expected.

I like that hierarchy of rookie skills though & would rather them be ranked that way. I think the offense & self creation will come in time as he adjusts to the size and speed of the NBA.

My biggest fear with elite NCAA defensive players is that their defensive game won't translate to the NBA. Especially if they are undersized.

Jamal Shead is a very good NBA defender, but in the NCAA he was an Elite defender (Naismith Defensive Player of the Year in 23-24). The NBA doesn't allow you to play with the same level of aggression and physicality on defense (you'll foul out). The defensive systems in College are different, the defensive rules are different, etc.

The fact that CMB's defense has been plug and play is massive. It's the biggest adjustment for some. Jamal had a really hard time last season. Especially at the beginning of the year when he was still trying to play Houston style defense. He had to calm it down a lot. At one point I was concerned about his ability to make the adjustment. I think Davion really helped him.

[LordByronScott]

His perimeter defense on Nembhard is probably a top 3 highlight for me of CMB's season so far. I can't remember if prime Draymond had that level of point-of-attack defense on a really good point guard.

Nembhard isn’t a great offensive player, what CMB did was extremely impressive but prime Draymond was going to war against Dame, Westbrooks and Kyrie of the worlds with his POA defence when he switched on to them.

CMB might be able to do that but he’s not there yet lol.

lol you mean mostly fouling those guys without getting called.

Draymond isn't playing D without being handsy, that CMB defensive rep on Nembhard, he didn't even use an arm bar (which is legal) and still locked him down which is incredibly difficult to do.

I know. He was just moving his feet and beating Nembhard to the spot.

[PushDaRock]

remember when there were only 3 or 4 people on here who wanted to draft CMB and everyone wanted Maluach?

remember the hate for the organization after CMB was drafted?

good times

I just wasn't expecting him to be the pick because of his similarities to Scottie and even Mogbo. But, I also was going to be ok with the pick because I recognized that if they took him anyways, they must be insanely high on him and didn't care about any potential fit issues.

[PushDaRock]

remember when there were only 3 or 4 people on here who wanted to draft CMB and everyone wanted Maluach?

remember the hate for the organization after CMB was drafted?

good times

I had Maluach higher on my board so I'm one of them.

not sure why they aren't getting him more G League Reps when he's barely playing with the big club.

[MEDIC]

remember when there were only 3 or 4 people on here who wanted to draft CMB and everyone wanted Maluach?

remember the hate for the organization after CMB was drafted?

good times

I just wasn't expecting him to be the pick because of his similarities to Scottie and even Mogbo. But, I also was going to be ok with the pick because I recognized that if they took him anyways, they must be insanely high on him and didn't care about any potential fit issues.

That's where I was at. It was more of a fit/ need concern, but if they took him anyway, he must be BPA.

[WWSRD]

I had a feeling he was left handed just by the way he acts! So I googled it and he is.

Left-handed people tend to think more wholistically. And you can see that's how he functions. He's trying to figure out the WHOLE thing, not just what his man is doing.

You can see he's looking at what the opposing team is running and looking to disrupt it before they get into their actions.
He's trying to figure out everything all at once and it's tough and takes more time. But as time goes and things start to click, he'll understands things better overall as he studied the system and not the components.

I think CMB is starting his learning process on defence. Once he gets that down, he'll move his big basketball brain to the offensive side and learn to figure out where he's gonna get his.

[Tripod]

remember when there were only 3 or 4 people on here who wanted to draft CMB and everyone wanted Maluach?

remember the hate for the organization after CMB was drafted?

good times

I wanted essengue which is even worse on hindsight

At least you are honest unlikd some...lol. My logic went like this:

They had Branes
They clearly wanted to sign Yak

So my thinking was are they going to draft an undersized C to play behind Yak or backup Barnes? Especially when that guy doesn't shoot well.

I expected Coward because it felt like he could be behind RJ for 2 years then start in year 3. Adding a big SG who can shoot and wasn't blocked for 4ish years like CMB seemed more likely.

But now with CMB, you certainly see why they drafted him. Especially if they believe his outside shooting will be like it's been in small sample.so far this year....his shot isn't broken.

I have said before that Barnes has that clunkyness to him, CMB doesn't have that. He moves his feet so quick on D you have to be impressed with that. And you can see that his early season injuries impacted his jumping and burst because now he has that spring back.

Team having to deal.with Bafnes then call.for a switch only for it to be CMB is funny to watch...hell 1 or hell 2....you choose.

[everdiso]

I don't expect CMB to actually match Scottie's rookie year, but it'll be interesting to see if he ends up anwyhere close.

We'll see if CMB can catch up somewhat on the minutes played, so that this comparison can have some actual weight.....

Rookie 20yr old seasons, per 36min:

SB4 (35.4mpg): 15.6pts, 19.0usg%, 55.2ts% (49.2/30.1/73.5), 7.7rb (2.7off), 3.5ast (1.9to), 1.1st, 0.8bk, 2.6pf
CMB (21.0mpg): 13.0pts, 15.3usg%, 58.5ts% (53.4/35.7/63.8), 8.7rb (4.3off), 3.2ast (1.9to), 1.6st, 1.0bk, 4.5pf

Per 36 since CMB's move into the starting lineup this month:

CMB (31.0mpg): 12.1pts, 12.7usg%, 60.4ts% (57.1/00.0/90.0), 9.8rb (4.2off), 4.2ast (0.8to), 2.0st, 1.2bk, 3.7pf

[LoveMyRaps]

Does anyone have a compilation of his defensive plays?

Only found this:

Watch on YouTube

[WWSRD]

We'll see how he handle Zubac. If he can hang with a massive physical center like him, he's fully qualified to start at the 5 long term.