Fischer/Stein: Raps trying to see what RJ/IQ/Poeltl gets // Still trying for Anthony Davis

[Merit]

I feel like Bobby has a mandate this year, and that is to get another star and make a push for the playoffs. MLSE see jersey sales and playoff revenue.

I hope it isn't the case and we're just being opportunistic and trying to buy low, but I do wonder if there is a bit of Ishbia-like stuff going on behind the scenes where we are being directed to make a splash for a name or two. I guess we'll see in the futures that are coughed up in a trade.

Teddy Eddy Rogers better stay TF out of meddling with the raptors. Plus he only wants “legacy” code “yt” properties in the jays and leafs anyway.

I hope masai and Larry buy the raps, and to a lesser extent tfc because we will immediately reap the rewards of that as fans. Larry’s already got the wnba and Lille iirc. Let’s bring the band back.

[PushDaRock]

Everyone hating the idea of acquiring AD cause they think we are giving up too much.

If it is IQ and Jak plus a first that is honestly not a bad deal. People are underestimating how impactful AD can be. I know people will say he constantly gets injured and that’s what people were saying about BI as well and wanted Bobby fired.

People honestly aren’t seeing how much adding an AD improves everyone else.

I’m not nuts about including RJ, but I am for acquiring a tier one two way player even though there are injury risks.

I agree with you in principle.

The reason why you can get that talent for that cost is because of the injuries.

When comparing to BI, BI was also 5 years younger and $15m less salary and 2/3 of it in 2 years.

If the injuries weren't an issue, it is a no brainer. But if the injuries aren't an issue you don't get him for that price. Will be interesting to see what happens. If I had a crystal ball and knew you'd get him for 60 games and playoffs, I'd do it.

lol well yeah that would be a no brainer if you knew you would have him for the playoffs. I'd even take 50 games + playoffs.

[RaptorLakerJay]

Fischer talking about Morant with Raptors is pure speculation. AD intel is 100% real though.

[JB7]

For all of these trade proposals:

If we are trying to dump IQ/Poeltl to get off their salary why would other teams want them?

If it’s AD for IQ/Jak why does Dallas have any interest in that deal?

Dallas already has Kyrie, Lively and Gafford. Why are they looking to add more overpaid PG’s and C’s?

I want nothing to do with AD... However I presume Dallas might consider an offer including 2 of IQ, RJ, Poeltl for the following reasons:

- younger players
- less injury prone over their careers
- not earning $60M for the next 2 seasons after this one.

To sum up, Dallas would be getting 2 younger players, who are less injury prone and combined earn what Davis is making.

This is exactly the reason the Raps should not be doing the deal. Keep the 2 younger players who are making combined the amount of the one older player who is more injury prone.

[Supermann98]

Only way I want AD is if we can dump that Poetl albatross contract off in exchange. Id throw in Agbaji and Gradey because they suck but no RJ, no 1sts (protected or otherwise), and I'd be hesitant to even include IQ, despite his enormous contract he's at least useful

You’re objectively wrong about Poeltl.

How? Poeltl's back is toast and he's got 3 more years left. 7 footers don't typically have a great reputation for healing once their bodies start breaking down

[WWSRD]

This team hasn’t been fully healthy all season but no one has structural issues. We don’t have years of data with the current group to even make informed decisions. The idea that they’re going to trade any big pieces before at least seeing this season play out is ridiculous. It’s not happening regardless of how much some may want it to happen.

Jake Fischer is selling clicks per usual.

You need years of data? C'mon.

They don't want to or know they won't be able to extend RJ.
They want out of the IQ contract badly.
Poetl's got chronic back issues that will plague his contract, so yeah, they want out of that too.

This is very obvious.

When did one episode of back injury become chronic back problems exactly?

He came into the season with the back injury. It's ~3 months later and it's still a problem. Something's up.

If you listen to Poetl talk about it, it's something he has to 'manage'.

He's a huge aging man with a bad back people!

[JB7]

You need years of data? C'mon.

They don't want to or know they won't be able to extend RJ.
They want out of the IQ contract badly.
Poetl's got chronic back issues that will plague his contract, so yeah, they want out of that too.

This is very obvious.

When did one episode of back injury become chronic back problems exactly?

He came into the season with the back injury. It's ~3 months later and it's still a problem. Something's up.

If you listen to Poetl talk about it, it's something he has to 'manage'.

He's a huge aging man with a bad back people!

However, AD is a huge and older aging man with back, knee, foot, (put in the long list of injuries) he has to manage.

Give me the guy on the smaller deal, who is younger, and dealing with one specific health issue.

[WWSRD]

When did one episode of back injury become chronic back problems exactly?

He came into the season with the back injury. It's ~3 months later and it's still a problem. Something's up.

If you listen to Poetl talk about it, it's something he has to 'manage'.

He's a huge aging man with a bad back people!

However, AD is a huge and older aging man with back, knee, foot, (put in the long list of injuries) he has to manage.

Give me the guy on the smaller deal, who is younger, and dealing with one specific health issue.

Solid point! But if you're Bobby the upside with AD is SUPER high, whereas Poetl's ceiling is much lower.

[JB7]

He came into the season with the back injury. It's ~3 months later and it's still a problem. Something's up.

If you listen to Poetl talk about it, it's something he has to 'manage'.

He's a huge aging man with a bad back people!

However, AD is a huge and older aging man with back, knee, foot, (put in the long list of injuries) he has to manage.

Give me the guy on the smaller deal, who is younger, and dealing with one specific health issue.

Solid point! But if you're Bobby the upside with AD is SUPER high, whereas Poetl's ceiling is much lower.

I get that. But if AD's game goes in the other direction (age and injuries) they are left with an anchor of a contract, like Embiid and PGs will be for the Sixers.

[Johnny Bball]

You need years of data? C'mon.

They don't want to or know they won't be able to extend RJ.
They want out of the IQ contract badly.
Poetl's got chronic back issues that will plague his contract, so yeah, they want out of that too.

This is very obvious.

When did one episode of back injury become chronic back problems exactly?

He came into the season with the back injury. It's ~3 months later and it's still a problem. Something's up.

If you listen to Poetl talk about it, it's something he has to 'manage'.

He's a huge aging man with a bad back people!

So he has a back injury, and after 3 months its "chronic". Gotcha.

[WWSRD]

However, AD is a huge and older aging man with back, knee, foot, (put in the long list of injuries) he has to manage.

Give me the guy on the smaller deal, who is younger, and dealing with one specific health issue.

Solid point! But if you're Bobby the upside with AD is SUPER high, whereas Poetl's ceiling is much lower.

I get that. But if AD's game goes in the other direction (age and injuries) they are left with an anchor of a contract, like Embiid and PGs will be for the Sixers.

Both have terribly low floors and the one with high upside is x3 as expensive. This is like shopping for a house in most canadian real estate markets.

[WWSRD]

When did one episode of back injury become chronic back problems exactly?

He came into the season with the back injury. It's ~3 months later and it's still a problem. Something's up.

If you listen to Poetl talk about it, it's something he has to 'manage'.

He's a huge aging man with a bad back people!

So he has a back injury, and after 3 months its "chronic". Gotcha.

Okay Captain Semantics....it's a persistent and recurring injury. Happy?

[Gavin_TDThree]

[djsunyc]

Going for Davis now just doesn't make sense for me. Unless we knew we had a championship aspirations with this group I would be ready for a Davis trade. Not now with this roster.

AD makes $62 mil in 27/28
yak + rj would start at $70 mil that year.

to me, it comes down to how you value rj vs. AD the next 2 years because that's how long we have bi.

bi + scottie + cmb + AD the next 1.5 years is very tempting without sacrificing any real long term assets (again depending on how you view rj).

scottie + cmb + ad would be the best front court in the league imho. that creates a massive strength and more than a ton of teams would have. that can bully the magic, the cavs and the knicks.

[earthtone]

Going for Davis now just doesn't make sense for me. Unless we knew we had a championship aspirations with this group I would be ready for a Davis trade. Not now with this roster.

AD makes $62 mil in 27/28
yak + rj would start at $70 mil that year.

to me, it comes down to how you value rj vs. AD the next 2 years because that's how long we have bi.

bi + scottie + cmb + AD the next 1.5 years is very tempting without sacrificing any real long term assets (again depending on how you view rj).

scottie + cmb + ad would be the best front court in the league imho. that creates a massive strength and more than a ton of teams would have.

You think RJ's going to make $40 mil in the first year of his extension? I don't see him getting anything close to that on a new contract tbh. Maybe on the last year of a 5 year contract if we start at $30 mil with standard raises, but I don't see how he gets to $40 mil in 2027

[djsunyc]

Going for Davis now just doesn't make sense for me. Unless we knew we had a championship aspirations with this group I would be ready for a Davis trade. Not now with this roster.

AD makes $62 mil in 27/28
yak + rj would start at $70 mil that year.

to me, it comes down to how you value rj vs. AD the next 2 years because that's how long we have bi.

bi + scottie + cmb + AD the next 1.5 years is very tempting without sacrificing any real long term assets (again depending on how you view rj).

scottie + cmb + ad would be the best front court in the league imho. that creates a massive strength and more than a ton of teams would have.

You think RJ's going to make $40 mil in the first year of his extension? I don't see him getting anything close to that on a new contract tbh. Maybe on the last year of a 5 year contract if we start at $30 mil with standard raises, but I don't see how he gets to $40 mil in 2027

i think bobby knows rj's asking # and that's one of the reasons we are looking to move him.

[Indeed]

He came into the season with the back injury. It's ~3 months later and it's still a problem. Something's up.

If you listen to Poetl talk about it, it's something he has to 'manage'.

He's a huge aging man with a bad back people!

However, AD is a huge and older aging man with back, knee, foot, (put in the long list of injuries) he has to manage.

Give me the guy on the smaller deal, who is younger, and dealing with one specific health issue.

Solid point! But if you're Bobby the upside with AD is SUPER high, whereas Poetl's ceiling is much lower.

The upside is chances of viewership increase is super high.
I doubt we trade away all our guards would make the team better.

[earthtone]

AD makes $62 mil in 27/28
yak + rj would start at $70 mil that year.

to me, it comes down to how you value rj vs. AD the next 2 years because that's how long we have bi.

bi + scottie + cmb + AD the next 1.5 years is very tempting without sacrificing any real long term assets (again depending on how you view rj).

scottie + cmb + ad would be the best front court in the league imho. that creates a massive strength and more than a ton of teams would have.

You think RJ's going to make $40 mil in the first year of his extension? I don't see him getting anything close to that on a new contract tbh. Maybe on the last year of a 5 year contract if we start at $30 mil with standard raises, but I don't see how he gets to $40 mil in 2027

i think bobby knows rj's asking # and that's one of the reasons we are looking to move him.

Ah, fair enough. I personally don't think we're trying to move RJ or that he would have an unreasonable asking price, but I guess we'll see how the deadline plays out

[JB7]

Solid point! But if you're Bobby the upside with AD is SUPER high, whereas Poetl's ceiling is much lower.

I get that. But if AD's game goes in the other direction (age and injuries) they are left with an anchor of a contract, like Embiid and PGs will be for the Sixers.

Both have terribly low floors and the one with high upside is x3 as expensive. This is like shopping for a house in most canadian real estate markets.

Great comparison

[YogurtProducer]

I feel like Bobby has a mandate this year, and that is to get another star and make a push for the playoffs. MLSE see jersey sales and playoff revenue.

I would be more i pressed if Rogers gave mandate to go over cap like he does with baseball...

Two completely different rule sets