Shams - Morant on the market

PushDaRock · Post #321 » by **PushDaRock** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 1:54 am

HumbleRen wrote:We need our PG of the future more than we need Trey Murphy.

We shouldn't really be going for need, we should be accumulating talent and figuring the rest out later. Murphy also happens to fit any system. This is all just talk anyways, it's pretty doubtful he's actually available.

Zeno · Post #322 » by **Zeno** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 1:58 am

I might be in support of getting Ja if we can pick up Jackson or even Aldama in the trade and they took back Yak. They were interested in trading for Yak a while back so they liked him, though perhaps not at this contract. IQ, RJ, Yak just so happens to be legal and takes 5.3 million off the books too. We'd probably have to include 4 1sts to even stand a chance of getting that done.
For Ja, Aldama, a trade of IQ, Yak, Ochai for Ja, Aldama works and maybe we could get by with only including a single 1st. It would save .5 million so it would get us out of the tax though.

DreamTeam09 · Post #323 » by **DreamTeam09** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 2:04 am

mihaic wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:I can't get behind trading any 2 of IQ/RJ/Jakob for any of the returns on the market. I'd trade for Melo tho if I could keep RJ

I'd trade iq for Ja. Then trade Ja expiry and picks in the summer for a better player. Like dagger suggested. But MEMPHIS probably say no, they want picks. Salaries would match if Ochai is added to IQ.

in no way shape or form would we get a better return for Ja in the summer than what we would give up to get him. What new information is a GM gonna get in 8months about JA Morant they don't know now. Our picks won't help much there

PushDaRock · Post #324 » by **PushDaRock** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 2:08 am

Zeno wrote:I might be in support of getting Ja if we can pick up Jackson or even Aldama in the trade and they took back Yak. They were interested in trading for Yak a while back so they liked him, though perhaps not at this contract. IQ, RJ, Yak just so happens to be legal and takes 5.3 million off the books too. We'd probably have to include 4 1sts to even stand a chance of getting that done.
For Ja, Aldama, a trade of IQ, Yak, Ochai for Ja, Aldama works and maybe we could get by with only including a single 1st. It would save .5 million so it would get us out of the tax though.

Ducking the tax is not difficult regardless, but that deal would still have us over the tax and also put us at 13 players and you need to get back to 14 players so the tax shouldn't be a real consideration in that kind of deal.

Zeno · Post #325 » by **Zeno** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 2:16 am

PushDaRock wrote:
Zeno wrote:I might be in support of getting Ja if we can pick up Jackson or even Aldama in the trade and they took back Yak. They were interested in trading for Yak a while back so they liked him, though perhaps not at this contract. IQ, RJ, Yak just so happens to be legal and takes 5.3 million off the books too. We'd probably have to include 4 1sts to even stand a chance of getting that done.
For Ja, Aldama, a trade of IQ, Yak, Ochai for Ja, Aldama works and maybe we could get by with only including a single 1st. It would save .5 million so it wouldn't get us out of the tax though.

Ducking the tax is not difficult regardless, but that deal would still have us over the tax and also put us at 13 players and you need to get back to 14 players so the tax shouldn't be a real consideration in that kind of deal.

true, that was just to provide financial info on that trade since I included it on the 1st trade. I see now that I omitted the word "n't" and have edited the quoted text now.

TGM · Post #326 » by **TGM** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 3:11 am

We definitely have more leverage for a Ja trade now. They find him a distraction and less teams can pull off a trade due to picks and cap situation. Once summer hits and draft is over more teams have picks and cap opening up.

mihaic · Post #327 » by **mihaic** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 3:32 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:
mihaic wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:I can't get behind trading any 2 of IQ/RJ/Jakob for any of the returns on the market. I'd trade for Melo tho if I could keep RJ

I'd trade iq for Ja. Then trade Ja expiry and picks in the summer for a better player. Like dagger suggested. But MEMPHIS probably say no, they want picks. Salaries would match if Ochai is added to IQ.

in no way shape or form would we get a better return for Ja in the summer than what we would give up to get him. What new information is a GM gonna get in 8months about JA Morant they don't know now. Our picks won't help much there

He'll be an expiring. Don't you see in many trades? Everyone wants expirings. And we'd add picks of course, if we reade for a better player.

There'salso the remote possibility he resets his career in Toronto.

AkelaLoneWolf · Post #328 » by **AkelaLoneWolf** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 4:23 am

mihaic wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
mihaic wrote:I'd trade iq for Ja. Then trade Ja expiry and picks in the summer for a better player. Like dagger suggested. But MEMPHIS probably say no, they want picks. Salaries would match if Ochai is added to IQ.

in no way shape or form would we get a better return for Ja in the summer than what we would give up to get him. What new information is a GM gonna get in 8months about JA Morant they don't know now. Our picks won't help much there

He'll be an expiring. Don't you see in many trades? Everyone wants expirings. And we'd add picks of course, if we reade for a better player.

There'salso the remote possibility he resets his career in Toronto.

A remote possibility. He did some really **** things before his initial suspension and afaik he's never shown any true contrition for his actions.
you look at his history thru his tenure with the grizzlies its all just one big pile of ****. cant get along with players or coaching staff. questionable off the court behavior.
as talented as he is, he's a bad 3 point shooter. you can't be paid what he is and be that bad at shooting the 3. i don't see him taking us to the next level. the juice is not worth the squeeze imo

PushDaRock · Post #329 » by **PushDaRock** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 4:27 am

mihaic wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
mihaic wrote:I'd trade iq for Ja. Then trade Ja expiry and picks in the summer for a better player. Like dagger suggested. But MEMPHIS probably say no, they want picks. Salaries would match if Ochai is added to IQ.

in no way shape or form would we get a better return for Ja in the summer than what we would give up to get him. What new information is a GM gonna get in 8months about JA Morant they don't know now. Our picks won't help much there

He'll be an expiring. Don't you see in many trades? Everyone wants expirings. And we'd add picks of course, if we reade for a better player.

There'salso the remote possibility he resets his career in Toronto.

Do you really want to extend him even if he regains his previous form? I don't even think there are any examples of his player type doing well into their late 20's and early 30's.

basketballto · Post #330 » by **basketballto** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 5:58 am

Most posters are saying he has a great first step and driving ability but he can't shoot. I don't think it makes sense to trade 3pt shooting for driving at the point guard position when you have RJ. To make this work you would need to trade RJ for a 3pt shooter.

mihaic · Post #331 » by **mihaic** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 6:48 am

PushDaRock wrote:
mihaic wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
in no way shape or form would we get a better return for Ja in the summer than what we would give up to get him. What new information is a GM gonna get in 8months about JA Morant they don't know now. Our picks won't help much there

He'll be an expiring. Don't you see in many trades? Everyone wants expirings. And we'd add picks of course, if we reade for a better player.

There'salso the remote possibility he resets his career in Toronto.

Do you really want to extend him even if he regains his previous form? I don't even think there are any examples of his player type doing well into their late 20's and early 30's.

Temetrius Jamel is only 26. He's not an old guy, you know. I don't think he's done.

If we rehab him we can trade him. If we don't we can attach picks to his expiring contract, similar to Bruce Brown for BI. Similar to Trae trade.

TGM · Post #332 » by **TGM** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 12:46 pm

I think Morant provides the best risk reward profile for the Raps.

IQ, Ochai, Dick and a first for Morant and Landale addresses multiple needs. It’s clean we line up Morant’s salary to BI’s timing.

Morant’s length and lateral agility actually gives him the ability to be a decent defender. I think via Darko he can be a net to slight net positive defensively.

Landale gives us a serviceable back up C should Jakob need to miss more time.

Jakob only has value in the trade market if he can play, but if he can play why not keep him. He is a strong two way C that is a good teammate.

HumbleRen · Post #333 » by **HumbleRen** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 12:54 pm

basketballto wrote:Most posters are saying he has a great first step and driving ability but he can't shoot. I don't think it makes sense to trade 3pt shooting for driving at the point guard position when you have RJ. To make this work you would need to trade RJ for a 3pt shooter.

I think the idea is to eventually replace RJ's strengths with Ja's and get a cheaper 3&D player at the 2.

I'm not saying I agree with it or even want Ja but I imagine that's the idea behind it.

Brinbe · Post #334 » by **Brinbe** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 1:42 pm

They gotta figure out if Ja would even wanna play here. Otherwise we're just trading for a potential headache

Clutch0z24 · Post #335 » by **Clutch0z24** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 2:22 pm

Ik Morant isn't a MVP or a Giannis level player or anything....But i really don't understand the uproar of fans that would be upset if we dealt for one of these guys on the market including Morant based on what we are giving up....

Most likely a pick swap or at the worst a pick in the mid to late 20s, IQ (Not a great player himself on a bad contract), Gradey Dick or Ochai....

I mean i would get it if we were giving up a ton of assets like Magic did for Bane....But if we get a talent upgrade while also getting off IQ and the add ons are miniscule at best i don't see the issue here?

We have to understand these are the type of players that are available every year and the type of players we take gambles on as an orginization, Do fans want to keep all our assets for a Giannis or something? Do you guys actually think IQ/Dick or a protected pick would be a factor in a trade for that type of player?...

We have to take gambles on guys on the market when available and hope they perform better in a new situation....We have no other way to upgrade on this current roster outside of taking gambles on these type of players because Giannis/Shai are not coming to save us....

Price is low and if it takes that low of an offer to get a guy who is obviously a talent upgrade on paper you just do it.....Fans should not be attached to Dick/IQ this much to take a gamble....And if you guys say "Well wait for a different type of star not the ones on the market now".....Well who is to say them stars will be as cheap? And at that point what would you be willing to trade? Because IQ/Dick/Protected pick is a small price to pay for the potential outcome.

canz55 · Post #336 » by **canz55** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 2:41 pm

People need to ALSO remember that IQ's contract is flat and he becomes more valuable as time passes over the 5 year deal. Jak is the albatross contract due to health (for now).

Ja is the worst 3 point shooting guard in the NBA for usage. He drains possessions and will destroy an offense that isn't tailored to him. There's a reason the Griz are willing to give him away for nothing.

Clutch0z24 · Post #337 » by **Clutch0z24** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 2:41 pm

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Dexjackson · Post #338 » by **Dexjackson** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 2:41 pm

PushDaRock wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:We need our PG of the future more than we need Trey Murphy.

We shouldn't really be going for need, we should be accumulating talent and figuring the rest out later. Murphy also happens to fit any system. This is all just talk anyways, it's pretty doubtful he's actually available.

100% agree. Murphy doesn't put us over the top but to me at least he's a step in the right direction (He's young, can shoot, versatile, etc). Ja, AD, Ball, Sabonis are all trades that are fun on 2K but will not in my opinion improve the team in the long term.

PushDaRock · Post #339 » by **PushDaRock** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 2:59 pm

mihaic wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
mihaic wrote:He'll be an expiring. Don't you see in many trades? Everyone wants expirings. And we'd add picks of course, if we reade for a better player.

There'salso the remote possibility he resets his career in Toronto.

Do you really want to extend him even if he regains his previous form? I don't even think there are any examples of his player type doing well into their late 20's and early 30's.

Temetrius Jamel is only 26. He's not an old guy, you know. I don't think he's done.

If we rehab him we can trade him. If we don't we can attach picks to his expiring contract, similar to Bruce Brown for BI. Similar to Trae trade.

Smaller guards that can't shoot have not aged out well.

I am saying it makes more sense to rebuild his value and trade him than it does to build with him long term and extend him.

Psubs · Post #340 » by **Psubs** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 3:26 pm

canz55 wrote:People need to ALSO remember that IQ's contract is flat and he becomes more valuable as time passes over the 5 year deal. Jak is the albatross contract due to health (for now).

Ja is the worst 3 point shooting guard in the NBA for usage. He drains possessions and will destroy an offense that isn't tailored to him. There's a reason the Griz are willing to give him away for nothing.

Ja Morant and Brandon Clarke for IQ, Dick, Poeltl and 2026 2nd pick (LAL) is all I would be willing to trade. Maybe Darko can get Ja to buy into our 4 headed monster on offense? Ja, RJ, BI and Scottie all capable of putting up 20ppg.