Fischer/Stein: Raps trying to see what RJ/IQ/Poeltl gets // Still trying for Anthony Davis

[Johnny Bball]

AD makes $62 mil in 27/28
yak + rj would start at $70 mil that year.

to me, it comes down to how you value rj vs. AD the next 2 years because that's how long we have bi.

bi + scottie + cmb + AD the next 1.5 years is very tempting without sacrificing any real long term assets (again depending on how you view rj).

scottie + cmb + ad would be the best front court in the league imho. that creates a massive strength and more than a ton of teams would have.

You think RJ's going to make $40 mil in the first year of his extension? I don't see him getting anything close to that on a new contract tbh. Maybe on the last year of a 5 year contract if we start at $30 mil with standard raises, but I don't see how he gets to $40 mil in 2027

i think bobby knows rj's asking # and that's one of the reasons we are looking to move him.

Do we really think that the super happy to be playing at home in Toronto, RJ Barrett, is playing hardball pricing himself out of Toronto? Doesn't make that much sense. But let's say that's reality, if he does that and ends up traded to some city or organization that he doesn't like somewhere, that's pretty short sighted.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Think they’d trade Poeltl to the Celtics for Simons?

[djsunyc]

You think RJ's going to make $40 mil in the first year of his extension? I don't see him getting anything close to that on a new contract tbh. Maybe on the last year of a 5 year contract if we start at $30 mil with standard raises, but I don't see how he gets to $40 mil in 2027

i think bobby knows rj's asking # and that's one of the reasons we are looking to move him.

Do we really think that the super happy to be playing at home in Toronto, RJ Barrett, is playing hardball pricing himself out of Toronto? Doesn't make that much sense. But let's say that's reality, if he does that and ends up traded to some city or organization that he doesn't like somewhere, that's pretty short sighted.

im just making a guess because he's been good for us but is still in many trade rumors.

unless bobby just doesnt value him as a player. that's possible too.

[Tha Cynic]

Acting like Poeltl has trade value right now is absolutely crazy.

What team would possibly want to take on an injured player that still has 4 years left on his contract?

Poeltl is unmovable until he can have a healthy stretch.

If the shoe were on the other foot and there was talk of us trading for a player in Poeltl’s situation people would lose their minds.

Jonathan Kuminga is one the few realistic ones I can see with out having to add anything

Mathurin has terrible advanced stats - like brutal. I can see why they would rather trade him than pay for him. He is a negative offensive and defensive player.

Kuminga funny enough is also a negative player but not as bad as Mathurin (closer to neutral). For a winning team trying to win now a healthy Poeltl is easily a better player, but of course his injuries would be a concern.

I guess both are young and reclamation projects that the can hope to make winning players.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Acting like Poeltl has trade value right now is absolutely crazy.

What team would possibly want to take on an injured player that still has 4 years left on his contract?

Poeltl is unmovable until he can have a healthy stretch.

If the shoe were on the other foot and there was talk of us trading for a player in Poeltl’s situation people would lose their minds.

Jonathan Kuminga is one the few realistic ones I can see with out having to add anything

Mathurin has terrible advanced stats - like brutal. I can see why they would rather trade him than pay for him. He is a negative offensive and defensive player.

Kuminga funny enough is also a negative player but not as bad as Mathurin (closer to neutral). For a winning team trying to win now a healthy Poeltl is easily a better player, but of course his injuries would be a concern.

I guess both are young and reclamation projects that the can hope to make winning players.

I’d take a shot at mathurin but don’t want to pay a lot of money on a contract either tho

[TGM]

Acting like Poeltl has trade value right now is absolutely crazy.

What team would possibly want to take on an injured player that still has 4 years left on his contract?

Poeltl is unmovable until he can have a healthy stretch.

If the shoe were on the other foot and there was talk of us trading for a player in Poeltl’s situation people would lose their minds.

Jonathan Kuminga is one the few realistic ones I can see with out having to add anything

Mathurin has terrible advanced stats - like brutal. I can see why they would rather trade him than pay for him. He is a negative offensive and defensive player.

Kuminga funny enough is also a negative player but not as bad as Mathurin (closer to neutral). For a winning team trying to win now a healthy Poeltl is easily a better player, but of course his injuries would be a concern.

I guess both are young and reclamation projects that the can hope to make winning players.

I normally don’t say this about players but Mathurin is what we call empty stats. He is like modern day Ricky Davis. It’s fine if you have him, but he doesn’t make a much of an impact. Him Afernee Simons, Colin Sexton are all kind of in that same bucket. You don’t go out of your way to trade for him. They are usually thrown in for salary matching.

[canada_dry]

Kind of crazy to not want AD when your only excuse is injury and Poeltl always out more.

In a few years you'll say Giannis the only active guy with more points than AD.

Poeltl is just as injury prone if not more

Prove it.

[ConSarnit]

I mean this has got to be a troll account right?

Explain to me why any GM would want to bet on Poeltl right now when he has 4 years left on his contract. Not Poeltl from last year. Not a theoretically healthy Poeltl 2 months from now. Today's Poeltl.

I don't know, why would any GM want to bet on AD "Street Clothes" who's older, has been way more injury prone throughout his career (currently injured), salary is double and is reported to be looking for an extension on top of the 2 more years at $60M/per he already has?

You accuse me of being a troll and then can’t even make an argument as to why you think I’m wrong. Keep up the quality posting.

[Raptors Realtor]

Explain to me why any GM would want to bet on Poeltl right now when he has 4 years left on his contract. Not Poeltl from last year. Not a theoretically healthy Poeltl 2 months from now. Today's Poeltl.

I don't know, why would any GM want to bet on AD "Street Clothes" who's older, has been way more injury prone throughout his career (currently injured), salary is double and is reported to be looking for an extension on top of the 2 more years at $60M/per he already has?

You accuse me of being a troll and then can’t even make an argument as to why you think I’m wrong. Keep up the quality posting.

Dude I gave you 3 reasons, not sure how much clearer and to the point I can be, try reading it again... Here's the summary: AD is older, more injury prone and double the salary.

[Thaddy]

I'd do IQ + Yak for Davis. Just save him for the playoffs and see what happens. Otherwise he's a big expiring contract. We shouldn't be giving up any picks.

Likely it will be IQ + RJ. Then we end up thin at PG but figure it out for the rest of the season.


Davis / Poeltl
Barnes / Mamu
Ingram / CMB
Walter / Dick
Shead / Hepburn?

You are not getting AD without agreeing to extend him and that extension along with his inherent injury risk is a franchise killer for me.

The point of the trade is to use him like an expiring. Then when his contract is over we can re-sign and keep Mamu, CMB, and the prospects who are worthwhile. Ideally we don't give up any picks but we could still hit on 2nds and build using our culture. It's probably the only way we ever become a contender. We need to draft and make trades. The Davis and/or Morant trades are decent gambles. Our type of franchises never really get close to those, but here they are. Just a few years ago both Morant and AD would have never even thought about coming here.

[sidsid]

Jonathan Kuminga is one the few realistic ones I can see with out having to add anything

Mathurin has terrible advanced stats - like brutal. I can see why they would rather trade him than pay for him. He is a negative offensive and defensive player.

Kuminga funny enough is also a negative player but not as bad as Mathurin (closer to neutral). For a winning team trying to win now a healthy Poeltl is easily a better player, but of course his injuries would be a concern.

I guess both are young and reclamation projects that the can hope to make winning players.

I normally don’t say this about players but Mathurin is what we call empty stats. He is like modern day Ricky Davis. It’s fine if you have him, but he doesn’t make a much of an impact. Him Afernee Simons, Colin Sexton are all kind of in that same bucket. You don’t go out of your way to trade for him. They are usually thrown in for salary matching.

He'd be useful as an expiring contract that you send to a 3rd team that may want him for a worthless expiring contract so that you can pay a bit of money to Mamu instead. You get Jackson as the rest of the filler contract needed for the trade and you've gotten out of the long term money for Jak.

But Jak is making more on his extension than they wanted to pay Turner so I assume they'd want more compensation if they were amenable to it at all.

[Indeed]

I'd do IQ + Yak for Davis. Just save him for the playoffs and see what happens. Otherwise he's a big expiring contract. We shouldn't be giving up any picks.

Likely it will be IQ + RJ. Then we end up thin at PG but figure it out for the rest of the season.


Davis / Poeltl
Barnes / Mamu
Ingram / CMB
Walter / Dick
Shead / Hepburn?

You are not getting AD without agreeing to extend him and that extension along with his inherent injury risk is a franchise killer for me.

The point of the trade is to use him like an expiring. Then when his contract is over we can re-sign and keep Mamu, CMB, and the prospects who are worthwhile. Ideally we don't give up any picks but we could still hit on 2nds and build using our culture. It's probably the only way we ever become a contender. We need to draft and make trades. The Davis and/or Morant trades are decent gambles. Our type of franchises never really get close to those, but here they are. Just a few years ago both Morant and AD would have never even thought about coming here.

Star players would demand their destination for their next contract, you can't use them as an expiring, they (or basically the agent) won't go to your team without agreeing on the extension, as these players have such large contracts that they need to use the Bird's right instead of cap space to sign them. Doing S&T would also hurt our cap, as we tried with Lowry and got stuck with Dragic salary.

As for having Barrett instead of Poeltl, the only way I can find salary matched is with Celeb Martin.

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[Kingsway_fan]

You think RJ's going to make $40 mil in the first year of his extension? I don't see him getting anything close to that on a new contract tbh. Maybe on the last year of a 5 year contract if we start at $30 mil with standard raises, but I don't see how he gets to $40 mil in 2027

i think bobby knows rj's asking # and that's one of the reasons we are looking to move him.

Do we really think that the super happy to be playing at home in Toronto, RJ Barrett, is playing hardball pricing himself out of Toronto? Doesn't make that much sense. But let's say that's reality, if he does that and ends up traded to some city or organization that he doesn't like somewhere, that's pretty short sighted.

After seeing what they paid an inferior player in IQ.. can you blame him?

[Son Goku 25]

Lol bucks are hilarious. I actually expect them to come away with JA or something.

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Please not RJ

[Spates]

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IQ and Jak contracts make me want to yak

[Merit]

Only way I want AD is if we can dump that Poetl albatross contract off in exchange. Id throw in Agbaji and Gradey because they suck but no RJ, no 1sts (protected or otherwise), and I'd be hesitant to even include IQ, despite his enormous contract he's at least useful

You’re objectively wrong about Poeltl.

How? Poeltl's back is toast and he's got 3 more years left. 7 footers don't typically have a great reputation for healing once their bodies start breaking down

How is a singular injury a pattern? Jak has had some terrible injury luck, but historically has had basically zero back injuries before. Same with feet injuries - that often plague big men. Same with major knee injuries. His back is not toast. He’s experiencing a short term injury and is being taken care of by the best medical team in the league.

[canz55]

Atlanta could trade for AD in 5 seconds with their expirings and picks which tells you that they don't value him very much.

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IQ and Jak contracts make me want to yak

No one wants Quickley's contract.
It seems Barrett/Poeltl/Agbaji for Davis/Exum, I wonder if we need to include picks.
After all, we are still over the tax with no good guards.