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2025-26 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 3.0

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Re: 2025-26 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 3.0 

Post#561 » by Beenie » Sat Jan 17, 2026 8:13 pm

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I personally don’t think anyone is beating our package of Herro Ware Rozier and 2 1sts and none of them of that hometown connection like Tyler has. If you absolutely have to get another first we have avenues to do that. We also have Jaime and Kas if needed. None of the rumored teams are beating that and apparently based on the most recent reports it’s basically us vs the Knicks


I was stalking the game threads of the bucks vs the wolves and spurs, and they're absolutely desperate for a rebuild and a tear down, they all hate doc (i dont know how he keeps getting HC jobs) and they're pretty much all in agreement giannis is just wasting away witb them.

Send wiggins to the Lakers (if Lakers can turn their frp into two worse future frps like they're trying to do) for Gabe vincent Rui and a frp, unlocks us being able to send bucks 3-4 frps.

Then you send Herro Ware Gabe to the Bucks.
Bucks send us Giannis. Then we send Simone Rozier and a 2nd round pick to the wizards for Middleton.
That gives giannis a familiar face and a vet to backup the 3 or 4 now that wiggs is gone.

So we'd have
Davion KJ Dru
Powell Pelle KJ
Pelle JJJ Middleton
Giannis Rui Jovic
Bam Jovic Rui

We'd be bigger all around although we'd have no true center or backup to Bam.
The trade works in trade machine. We would be sending out 5 players and taking in 4, so we could get someone on buyout market.

Or maybe instead of rozier Simone to wiz for Middleton (Middleton is almost certainly getting bought out), we send Utah jazz rozier for nurkic or to the bulls for vucevic and give them a 2nd rp.


I’m hoping to keep Wiggins but I know beggars can’t be choosers. Wiggins/Giannis/Bam is easily the best and most versatile frontcourt in the league


Spacing would be horrendous

Teams in the playoffs will build a wall in front of Giannis and dare Wiggins and Bam to hit shots

Only works if the ball movement is precise and if one of them is highly efficient with the guards also being efficient.
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Re: 2025-26 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 3.0 

Post#562 » by twix2500 » Sat Jan 17, 2026 8:16 pm

Beenie wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Lennyzinho wrote:
I was stalking the game threads of the bucks vs the wolves and spurs, and they're absolutely desperate for a rebuild and a tear down, they all hate doc (i dont know how he keeps getting HC jobs) and they're pretty much all in agreement giannis is just wasting away witb them.

Send wiggins to the Lakers (if Lakers can turn their frp into two worse future frps like they're trying to do) for Gabe vincent Rui and a frp, unlocks us being able to send bucks 3-4 frps.

Then you send Herro Ware Gabe to the Bucks.
Bucks send us Giannis. Then we send Simone Rozier and a 2nd round pick to the wizards for Middleton.
That gives giannis a familiar face and a vet to backup the 3 or 4 now that wiggs is gone.

So we'd have
Davion KJ Dru
Powell Pelle KJ
Pelle JJJ Middleton
Giannis Rui Jovic
Bam Jovic Rui

We'd be bigger all around although we'd have no true center or backup to Bam.
The trade works in trade machine. We would be sending out 5 players and taking in 4, so we could get someone on buyout market.

Or maybe instead of rozier Simone to wiz for Middleton (Middleton is almost certainly getting bought out), we send Utah jazz rozier for nurkic or to the bulls for vucevic and give them a 2nd rp.


I’m hoping to keep Wiggins but I know beggars can’t be choosers. Wiggins/Giannis/Bam is easily the best and most versatile frontcourt in the league


Spacing would be horrendous

Teams in the playoffs will build a wall in front of Giannis and dare Wiggins and Bam to hit shots

Only works if the ball movement is precise and if one of them is highly efficient with the guards also being efficient.


Huh? Wiggins is shooting 40% from three. That is one of his best offensive skill sets this season.
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Re: 2025-26 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 3.0 

Post#563 » by SA37 » Sat Jan 17, 2026 8:28 pm

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Hopefully there is more push for Jakucionis taking Smith minutes.


Im getting DDV vibes but a better passer and less trigger happy but still a smooth stroke.
Im not trading this dude. Guys like him and pelle are wildly valuable as depth and hustle/rebounds defense guys on good contracts.

If he develops his ceiling is pretty high obvi.


If he became DDV, that'd be a big win.
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Re: 2025-26 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 3.0 

Post#564 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 17, 2026 8:30 pm

Beenie wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Lennyzinho wrote:
I was stalking the game threads of the bucks vs the wolves and spurs, and they're absolutely desperate for a rebuild and a tear down, they all hate doc (i dont know how he keeps getting HC jobs) and they're pretty much all in agreement giannis is just wasting away witb them.

Send wiggins to the Lakers (if Lakers can turn their frp into two worse future frps like they're trying to do) for Gabe vincent Rui and a frp, unlocks us being able to send bucks 3-4 frps.

Then you send Herro Ware Gabe to the Bucks.
Bucks send us Giannis. Then we send Simone Rozier and a 2nd round pick to the wizards for Middleton.
That gives giannis a familiar face and a vet to backup the 3 or 4 now that wiggs is gone.

So we'd have
Davion KJ Dru
Powell Pelle KJ
Pelle JJJ Middleton
Giannis Rui Jovic
Bam Jovic Rui

We'd be bigger all around although we'd have no true center or backup to Bam.
The trade works in trade machine. We would be sending out 5 players and taking in 4, so we could get someone on buyout market.

Or maybe instead of rozier Simone to wiz for Middleton (Middleton is almost certainly getting bought out), we send Utah jazz rozier for nurkic or to the bulls for vucevic and give them a 2nd rp.


I’m hoping to keep Wiggins but I know beggars can’t be choosers. Wiggins/Giannis/Bam is easily the best and most versatile frontcourt in the league


Spacing would be horrendous

Teams in the playoffs will build a wall in front of Giannis and dare Wiggins and Bam to hit shots

Only works if the ball movement is precise and if one of them is highly efficient with the guards also being efficient.


Wiggins is shooting 40% from 3, Bam is at like 36%-37% on 3/4 attempts a night over the last 2 years but yeah whoever is next to Norm will preferably be a high level shooter
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Re: 2025-26 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 3.0 

Post#565 » by twix2500 » Sat Jan 17, 2026 9:42 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Beenie wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
I’m hoping to keep Wiggins but I know beggars can’t be choosers. Wiggins/Giannis/Bam is easily the best and most versatile frontcourt in the league


Spacing would be horrendous

Teams in the playoffs will build a wall in front of Giannis and dare Wiggins and Bam to hit shots

Only works if the ball movement is precise and if one of them is highly efficient with the guards also being efficient.


Wiggins is shooting 40% from 3, Bam is at like 36%-37% on 3/4 attempts a night over the last 2 years but yeah whoever is next to Norm will preferably be a high level shooter


I am still confused why so much negativity towards Wiggins this season. Someone said its because he is boring. But damn, he has been really good and a bedrock player this season. He has been averaging the most mins, been clutch a lot of times offensively and defensively. I would suspect he would be a player many would want to keep.
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Re: 2025-26 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 3.0 

Post#566 » by Lennyzinho » Sat Jan 17, 2026 9:48 pm

twix2500 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Beenie wrote:
Spacing would be horrendous

Teams in the playoffs will build a wall in front of Giannis and dare Wiggins and Bam to hit shots

Only works if the ball movement is precise and if one of them is highly efficient with the guards also being efficient.


Wiggins is shooting 40% from 3, Bam is at like 36%-37% on 3/4 attempts a night over the last 2 years but yeah whoever is next to Norm will preferably be a high level shooter


I am still confused why so much negativity towards Wiggins this season. Someone said its because he is boring. But damn, he has been really good and a bedrock player this season. He has been averaging the most mins, been clutch a lot of times offensively and defensively. I would suspect he would be a player many would want to keep.


Wiggins does all the little things but yea hes a bit boring. But he's very good. I think people jjst constantly hold his draft pick and finals mvp expectations against him and he rarely gives you those flashy types of games so people get... disappointed? Fatigued? Idk. I dont want to trade him, but if it gets you giannis and we got pelle jjj waiting in the wings making alot less than 30M, I'm doing it ofc.
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Re: 2025-26 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 3.0 

Post#567 » by VaDe255 » Sat Jan 17, 2026 10:16 pm

Lennyzinho wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Wiggins is shooting 40% from 3, Bam is at like 36%-37% on 3/4 attempts a night over the last 2 years but yeah whoever is next to Norm will preferably be a high level shooter


I am still confused why so much negativity towards Wiggins this season. Someone said its because he is boring. But damn, he has been really good and a bedrock player this season. He has been averaging the most mins, been clutch a lot of times offensively and defensively. I would suspect he would be a player many would want to keep.


Wiggins does all the little things but yea hes a bit boring. But he's very good. I think people jjst constantly hold his draft pick and finals mvp expectations against him and he rarely gives you those flashy types of games so people get... disappointed? Fatigued? Idk. I dont want to trade him, but if it gets you giannis and we got pelle jjj waiting in the wings making alot less than 30M, I'm doing it ofc.


It isn't really all that confusing. Wiggins is very talented and athletic, his traditional stats look fine, but we have years of data on him. Basically all the advanced metrics (LEBRON, DARKO, EPM) show he's average to negative (if he was doing the little things great they'd show up in the advanced impact metrics).

You're getting the same impact or better from Jaquez/Davion on half the money. At this point, I don't think anyone should pay him more than 20m and that’s more based on reputation rather than impact
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Re: 2025-26 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 3.0 

Post#568 » by SA37 » Sat Jan 17, 2026 10:45 pm

VaDe255 wrote:
Lennyzinho wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
I am still confused why so much negativity towards Wiggins this season. Someone said its because he is boring. But damn, he has been really good and a bedrock player this season. He has been averaging the most mins, been clutch a lot of times offensively and defensively. I would suspect he would be a player many would want to keep.


Wiggins does all the little things but yea hes a bit boring. But he's very good. I think people jjst constantly hold his draft pick and finals mvp expectations against him and he rarely gives you those flashy types of games so people get... disappointed? Fatigued? Idk. I dont want to trade him, but if it gets you giannis and we got pelle jjj waiting in the wings making alot less than 30M, I'm doing it ofc.


It isn't really all that confusing. Wiggins is very talented and athletic, his traditional stats look fine, but we have years of data on him. Basically all the advanced metrics (LEBRON, DARKO, EPM) show he's average to negative (if he was doing the little things great they'd show up in the advanced impact metrics).

You're getting the same impact or better from Jaquez/Davion on half the money. At this point, I don't think anyone should pay him more than 20m and that’s more based on reputation rather than impact


He's a boring player. He's a good pro, a good 2-way player, but there is just no excitement to his game. He's like the equivalent of automating your savings and bill payments: it's a great service, but there is very little hedonic value in knowing how much time you saved not having to get bills in the mail or transfer money yourself.
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Re: 2025-26 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 3.0 

Post#569 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 17, 2026 11:26 pm

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Ja trade is complete, will be finalized when the grizzlies get back Monday or Tuesday
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Post#570 » by twix2500 » Sat Jan 17, 2026 11:36 pm

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Ja trade is complete, will be finalized when the grizzlies get back Monday or Tuesday


Get WIggins Some HELP!!

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Re: 2025-26 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 3.0 

Post#571 » by Flash4thewin » Sat Jan 17, 2026 11:44 pm

twix2500 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Beenie wrote:
Spacing would be horrendous

Teams in the playoffs will build a wall in front of Giannis and dare Wiggins and Bam to hit shots

Only works if the ball movement is precise and if one of them is highly efficient with the guards also being efficient.


Wiggins is shooting 40% from 3, Bam is at like 36%-37% on 3/4 attempts a night over the last 2 years but yeah whoever is next to Norm will preferably be a high level shooter


I am still confused why so much negativity towards Wiggins this season. Someone said its because he is boring. But damn, he has been really good and a bedrock player this season. He has been averaging the most mins, been clutch a lot of times offensively and defensively. I would suspect he would be a player many would want to keep.


So what are we going to pay to keep him? He is having a great year statistically, he can opt out of his 30+ mil contract if properly motivated. A paycut doesn’t seems likely so something has got to give. 90/3 year deal?
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Post#572 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Jan 18, 2026 12:15 am

Flash4thewin wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Wiggins is shooting 40% from 3, Bam is at like 36%-37% on 3/4 attempts a night over the last 2 years but yeah whoever is next to Norm will preferably be a high level shooter


I am still confused why so much negativity towards Wiggins this season. Someone said its because he is boring. But damn, he has been really good and a bedrock player this season. He has been averaging the most mins, been clutch a lot of times offensively and defensively. I would suspect he would be a player many would want to keep.


So what are we going to pay to keep him? He is having a great year statistically, he can opt out of his 30+ mil contract if properly motivated. A paycut doesn’t seems likely so something has got to give. 90/3 year deal?


$60M a year
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Post#573 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Sun Jan 18, 2026 1:03 am

Other than what others said about the failing to meet expectations part due to draft status, Wiggins is a nice piece. He's just a 3 and D guy though even if a really good one, like that's literally all he can do. He can't create offense for others, and he really can't even create it for himself, like he has some 1-on-1 ability but his handle sucks so you can't actually ask him to create offense.
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Post#574 » by CWebb2491 » Sun Jan 18, 2026 1:07 am

At this point I genuinely think the Heat trade Herro this deadline or off season.

If Riley called him fragile a few years back, what is he now?
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Re: 2025-26 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 3.0 

Post#575 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Jan 18, 2026 1:08 am

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Post#576 » by Wiltside » Sun Jan 18, 2026 1:12 am

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Post#577 » by marson » Sun Jan 18, 2026 1:18 am

Damn, Ware, even Heat legends like Bron, CB, Wade, and Jimmy never said negative about Spo publicly.
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Post#578 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Jan 18, 2026 4:19 am

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VaDe showed Spo DARKO, LEBRON, EPM, ROI, and NOI
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Post#579 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sun Jan 18, 2026 4:27 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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VaDe showed Spo DARKO, LEBRON, EPM, ROI, and NOI


The tracking data that nba teams use vs advanced metric available to the public are vastly different.

Im assuming the heat use tracking metrics.
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Post#580 » by marson » Sun Jan 18, 2026 5:26 am

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VaDe showed Spo DARKO, LEBRON, EPM, ROI, and NOI


Blueprint is let Pelle Larsson stay in the starting lineup.

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