Ja/AD ≠ BI. Much riskier and worse value

[RoteSchroder]

Ja & AD will be risky but if it is possible to have both that potential pairing of Morant/AD would be the perfect duo....Morant with AD as a P&R duo would be very deadly...At that point we would be the favs in the East....But idk how realistic it is at landing both.

Morant shoots around 30% off catch and shoot threes. His specialty is transition offense and half court slashing - usually with 3/4 guys spreading the floor. As compared to our games, where the paint is always cluttered with defenders.

Davis hasn’t shot over 30% from 3 for the past eight years. And is also a mid-range/low post player. Ingram is a mid-range player. Scottie’s a mid-range low post guy.

Then in order to attain AD/Morant, we need to trade two of our best 3 point shooters in RJ and IQ (+ other assets)

So why whine about how we can’t shoot in the other thread, when your wish is to destroy our team’s shooting even more? You really think a team that can’t shoot is gonna be favs in the East? We’ll get burned alive by Boston/Philly’s guards.

Talent upgrade + guys who can create their own offense ....Both Davis/Morant shown in their careers they are very capable at creating their own shots at a pretty elite rate....

We are the worst shooting team with IQ/RJ ON the team as is....Trading them for Morant/Davis two guys who are 100x the talent and have 100x the skills at 100 + things than IQ/RJ is worth it...

Never said getting these two will make us an elite shooting team did i? We suck at 3 point shooting as is....Getting an Elite rim protector, Elite defender, Elite offensive player who is a top 10 when healthy, A 100x better PG than IQ who can run the team way better in Morant = a better team with a way higher ceiling especially in the playoffs...

Right now we are a mid team and not much of a ceiling because IQ/Barrett are what they are and not changing the ceiling of this team because they are not as talented as JA/AD and if you say otherwise idk what to tell ya bud....

That’s some delirious mind Olympics. Sounds like you want to squander our assets for 3 years of 1st round exits.

Being the worst shooting team in the NBA isn’t enough, you want to double down and be the worst shooting team of the last decade. We’re a top team in generating open 3’s and a bottom team in making them.

How useful is their tier 2/3 shot creation gonna be if the paint is packed or when other teams play zone defense. RJ alone is probably more useful for our offense than either AD or Morant.

At most, you get one or the other (IF CHEAP, which they likely aren’t given teams wouldn’t want to take on bad contracts) and keep Barrett or at least replace RJ with an even better 3 point shooter.

Adding players just because they’re shiny names is such a low level play. Lillard, Durant, Paul George, Mitchell, post-prime Kawhi, Desmond Mason, KAT, Mikael Bridges, Westbrook, Beal, Derozan/SAC. There are a ton of situations that haven’t worked out as expected (or in many cases, ppl saw the disaster coming from a mile away).

[Clutch0z24]

Morant shoots around 30% off catch and shoot threes. His specialty is transition offense and half court slashing - usually with 3/4 guys spreading the floor. As compared to our games, where the paint is always cluttered with defenders.

Davis hasn’t shot over 30% from 3 for the past eight years. And is also a mid-range/low post player. Ingram is a mid-range player. Scottie’s a mid-range low post guy.

Then in order to attain AD/Morant, we need to trade two of our best 3 point shooters in RJ and IQ (+ other assets)

So why whine about how we can’t shoot in the other thread, when your wish is to destroy our team’s shooting even more? You really think a team that can’t shoot is gonna be favs in the East? We’ll get burned alive by Boston/Philly’s guards.

Talent upgrade + guys who can create their own offense ....Both Davis/Morant shown in their careers they are very capable at creating their own shots at a pretty elite rate....

We are the worst shooting team with IQ/RJ ON the team as is....Trading them for Morant/Davis two guys who are 100x the talent and have 100x the skills at 100 + things than IQ/RJ is worth it...

Never said getting these two will make us an elite shooting team did i? We suck at 3 point shooting as is....Getting an Elite rim protector, Elite defender, Elite offensive player who is a top 10 when healthy, A 100x better PG than IQ who can run the team way better in Morant = a better team with a way higher ceiling especially in the playoffs...

Right now we are a mid team and not much of a ceiling because IQ/Barrett are what they are and not changing the ceiling of this team because they are not as talented as JA/AD and if you say otherwise idk what to tell ya bud....

That’s some delirious mind Olympics. Sounds like you want to squander our assets for 3 years of 1st round exits.

Being the worst shooting team in the NBA isn’t enough, you want to double down and be the worst shooting team of the last decade. We’re a top team in generating open 3’s and a bottom team in making them.

How useful is their tier 2/3 shot creation gonna be if the paint is packed or when other teams play zone defense. RJ alone is probably more useful for our offense than either AD or Morant.

At most, you get one or the other (IF CHEAP, which they likely aren’t given teams wouldn’t want to take on bad contracts) and keep Barrett or at least replace RJ with an even better 3 point shooter.

Adding players just because they’re shiny names is such a low level play. Lillard, Durant, Paul George, Mitchell, post-prime Kawhi, Desmond Mason, KAT, Mikael Bridges, Westbrook, Beal, Derozan/SAC. There are a ton of situations that haven’t worked out as expected (or in many cases, ppl saw the disaster coming from a mile away).

Lol if you think AD/Morant are worse players and will make our team worse if you give up IQ/RJ in the process than you just don't know what you are talking about.....Talent wins out in the NBA playoffs and AD/Morant are way more talented and its not even a conversation....

Now would it be possible for us to land both prolly not......But to try and argue we would be worse off is silly especially with how low the cost would be for either of them....

You would be correct if we had to give up a boat load of assets for one of these guys but it sounds like from reports the trade market on these guys is low and you could get them for a buy low.....Part of this trade and why Bobby is reported to be blowing up the phones trying to move them for an upgrade is because of our cap situation with these 3 on the team in the future....

Rogers refuses to go into the tax with this team which means if IQ/Yak are still on the team with their big contracts that means RJ is leaving for nothing in free agency.....Bobby wants to get ahead of that problem and mess by trading them for a player that raises the ceiling of the team while Barnes/Ingram are still under contract before they potentially lose them as well....He knows they can't win in the playoffs with this current team as constructed so he wants to try and make a move to at least make a run which is why we are in so many rumors and reports looking to trade these guys....

You maybe in love with the team and the current guys we have but Bobby is looking to trade them for a reason here....If Bobby really thought trading for AD or Morant would make our team worse he would not be trying to do it. Barrett/IQ/Yak are not good enough to warrent an outcry if they were to be traded....These are not all star players....Barrett is the best player out of the bunch but we screwed ourselves when we gave IQ/Yak them contracts to realistically keep Barrett long term so moves have to be made at some point.

[Top10alltime]

What would we need to trade, to get MPJ?

[RaptorPride]

[DreamTeam09]

I'd trade for Ja
I wouldn't trade for AD
I would trade for Ja and AD

[TGM]

I'm not a fan of Roger's ownership, but I will defend that they are not cheap skates. They are clearly willing to spend, but the NBA and NHL have the salary cap issues that make it prohibitive. If it was an uncapped league they would spend away to win.

[Merit]

I don’t like the Ja or AD ideas, and I think comparing them to the BI move misses key differences.

1) BI fixed an obvious problem
The Raptors badly needed half-court scoring. BI directly addressed that.

What clear need do Ja or AD solve?

AD helps rim protection but doesn’t want to play center.

Ja adds rim pressure, but he can’t shoot, is bad defensively, injury-prone, and needs the ball constantly.

2) BI was a legit buy-low
Brown + Olynyk + protected 2026 FRP is reasonable value (Indiana likely never tanks without getting their pick back).

Ja or AD costs two of IQ/RJ/Jakob plus multiple FRPs. That’s not buy-low — that’s overpaying.

3) Fit and risk
BI fits Scottie and the roster. He scales.

Ja requires the offense to be built around him and brings durability and off-court risk.
AD forces awkward positional choices and accelerates the timeline without real contention upside. Plus he wants a big contract too

BI was a calculated swing. Ja or AD is a high-risk bet that doesn’t clearly solve the team’s core issues.

Very simply, it’s about cost. Your proposed cost is too high. By the way, Memphis doesn’t need RJ. They have Coward/KCP. They don’t need Jak either. They have Edey, Aldama and JJJ.

They do need a PG if they trade Ja. They could use a backup wing if they move one in trade. They could always use picks because they draft well. They most certainly could use shooting. This is why they are an ideal trade partner for us.

Ja/Landale for IQ/Ochai/2nd is a simple starting point. I for one would like to add Gradey in and get Spencer back. So Ja/Landale/Spencer for IQ/Ochai/Gradey/2016 2nd. Just for fun if we want to get under the tax, we can add mogbo to that deal and get OMP back, while also converting one of our two ways - likely AJ Lawson.

To your second point on BI being a “calculated swing” vs. Ja or Ad… you sure about that?

In the history of my life, I have never been a part of an offseason where multiple major nba players were being linked directly to the raptors in trade. This year is the exception.

[Merit]

I'm not a fan of Roger's ownership, but I will defend that they are not cheap skates. They are clearly willing to spend, but the NBA and NHL have the salary cap issues that make it prohibitive. If it was an uncapped league they would spend away to win.

Their willingness to spend is a recent phenomenon and has everything to do with their awareness that nobody gives a hoot about the jays unless they win.

As for the leafs - they’re the Yankees of hockey and the biggest hockey market. All they’ve got to do is win. Rogers sees this investment as legacy building. Hence billions of dollars invested into the tv deal.

I have yet to see the same kind of commitment and investment in basketball. My hope is that Larry and Masai double back to ownership of the Raps and TFC (maybe the argos too?).

That said, rogers is in the business of pleasing its shareholders. They have generated a lot of good will from the public via the jays and know how important that is to their brand.

My two cents, for what they’re worth.

[PhilBlackson]

LaMelo still remains the only real wild card I’d want us to gamble on as he’s the only one imo who has superstar potential (obv that’s if CHA hasn’t changed their mind & decided to see if they can figure it out).

[tdotrep2]

LaMelo still remains the only real wild card I’d want us to gamble on as he’s the only one imo who has superstar potential (obv that’s if CHA hasn’t changed their mind & decided to see if they can figure it out).

I don't like the combination of him and Scottie. Scottie's maturing but he's still doing some wild stuff, Lamelo is 10x and it could unlock some bad Scottie behaviour.

[Appostis]

Talent upgrade + guys who can create their own offense ....Both Davis/Morant shown in their careers they are very capable at creating their own shots at a pretty elite rate....

We are the worst shooting team with IQ/RJ ON the team as is....Trading them for Morant/Davis two guys who are 100x the talent and have 100x the skills at 100 + things than IQ/RJ is worth it...

Never said getting these two will make us an elite shooting team did i? We suck at 3 point shooting as is....Getting an Elite rim protector, Elite defender, Elite offensive player who is a top 10 when healthy, A 100x better PG than IQ who can run the team way better in Morant = a better team with a way higher ceiling especially in the playoffs...

Right now we are a mid team and not much of a ceiling because IQ/Barrett are what they are and not changing the ceiling of this team because they are not as talented as JA/AD and if you say otherwise idk what to tell ya bud....

That’s some delirious mind Olympics. Sounds like you want to squander our assets for 3 years of 1st round exits.

Being the worst shooting team in the NBA isn’t enough, you want to double down and be the worst shooting team of the last decade. We’re a top team in generating open 3’s and a bottom team in making them.

How useful is their tier 2/3 shot creation gonna be if the paint is packed or when other teams play zone defense. RJ alone is probably more useful for our offense than either AD or Morant.

At most, you get one or the other (IF CHEAP, which they likely aren’t given teams wouldn’t want to take on bad contracts) and keep Barrett or at least replace RJ with an even better 3 point shooter.

Adding players just because they’re shiny names is such a low level play. Lillard, Durant, Paul George, Mitchell, post-prime Kawhi, Desmond Mason, KAT, Mikael Bridges, Westbrook, Beal, Derozan/SAC. There are a ton of situations that haven’t worked out as expected (or in many cases, ppl saw the disaster coming from a mile away).

Lol if you think AD/Morant are worse players and will make our team worse if you give up IQ/RJ in the process than you just don't know what you are talking about.....Talent wins out in the NBA playoffs and AD/Morant are way more talented and its not even a conversation....

Now would it be possible for us to land both prolly not......But to try and argue we would be worse off is silly especially with how low the cost would be for either of them....

You would be correct if we had to give up a boat load of assets for one of these guys but it sounds like from reports the trade market on these guys is low and you could get them for a buy low.....Part of this trade and why Bobby is reported to be blowing up the phones trying to move them for an upgrade is because of our cap situation with these 3 on the team in the future....

Rogers refuses to go into the tax with this team which means if IQ/Yak are still on the team with their big contracts that means RJ is leaving for nothing in free agency.....Bobby wants to get ahead of that problem and mess by trading them for a player that raises the ceiling of the team while Barnes/Ingram are still under contract before they potentially lose them as well....He knows they can't win in the playoffs with this current team as constructed so he wants to try and make a move to at least make a run which is why we are in so many rumors and reports looking to trade these guys....

You maybe in love with the team and the current guys we have but Bobby is looking to trade them for a reason here....If Bobby really thought trading for AD or Morant would make our team worse he would not be trying to do it. Barrett/IQ/Yak are not good enough to warrent an outcry if they were to be traded....These are not all star players....Barrett is the best player out of the bunch but we screwed ourselves when we gave IQ/Yak them contracts to realistically keep Barrett long term so moves have to be made at some point.

Morant definitely is worse then RJ +IQ.
AD if healthy would be nice but he's not going to be healthy.. so let's move on.

How you really see Morant as a upgrade considering his decline, his defense, his contract, injury concerns and awful outside shooting...

[Appostis]

I don’t like the Ja or AD ideas, and I think comparing them to the BI move misses key differences.

1) BI fixed an obvious problem
The Raptors badly needed half-court scoring. BI directly addressed that.

What clear need do Ja or AD solve?

AD helps rim protection but doesn’t want to play center.

Ja adds rim pressure, but he can’t shoot, is bad defensively, injury-prone, and needs the ball constantly.

2) BI was a legit buy-low
Brown + Olynyk + protected 2026 FRP is reasonable value (Indiana likely never tanks without getting their pick back).

Ja or AD costs two of IQ/RJ/Jakob plus multiple FRPs. That’s not buy-low — that’s overpaying.

3) Fit and risk
BI fits Scottie and the roster. He scales.

Ja requires the offense to be built around him and brings durability and off-court risk.
AD forces awkward positional choices and accelerates the timeline without real contention upside. Plus he wants a big contract too

BI was a calculated swing. Ja or AD is a high-risk bet that doesn’t clearly solve the team’s core issues.

Very simply, it’s about cost. Your proposed cost is too high. By the way, Memphis doesn’t need RJ. They have Coward/KCP. They don’t need Jak either. They have Edey, Aldama and JJJ.

They do need a PG if they trade Ja. They could use a backup wing if they move one in trade. They could always use picks because they draft well. They most certainly could use shooting. This is why they are an ideal trade partner for us.

Ja/Landale for IQ/Ochai/2nd is a simple starting point. I for one would like to add Gradey in and get Spencer back. So Ja/Landale/Spencer for IQ/Ochai/Gradey/2016 2nd. Just for fun if we want to get under the tax, we can add mogbo to that deal and get OMP back, while also converting one of our two ways - likely AJ Lawson.

To your second point on BI being a “calculated swing” vs. Ja or Ad… you sure about that?

In the history of my life, I have never been a part of an offseason where multiple major nba players were being linked directly to the raptors in trade. This year is the exception.

Really?

Raptors are tossed into random trade rumors every freaking year .

[mihaic]

I don’t like the Ja or AD ideas, and I think comparing them to the BI move misses key differences.

1) BI fixed an obvious problem
The Raptors badly needed half-court scoring. BI directly addressed that.

What clear need do Ja or AD solve?

AD helps rim protection but doesn’t want to play center.

Ja adds rim pressure, but he can’t shoot, is bad defensively, injury-prone, and needs the ball constantly.

2) BI was a legit buy-low
Brown + Olynyk + protected 2026 FRP is reasonable value (Indiana likely never tanks without getting their pick back).

Ja or AD costs two of IQ/RJ/Jakob plus multiple FRPs. That’s not buy-low — that’s overpaying.

3) Fit and risk
BI fits Scottie and the roster. He scales.

Ja requires the offense to be built around him and brings durability and off-court risk.
AD forces awkward positional choices and accelerates the timeline without real contention upside. Plus he wants a big contract too

BI was a calculated swing. Ja or AD is a high-risk bet that doesn’t clearly solve the team’s core issues.

Very simply, it’s about cost. Your proposed cost is too high. By the way, Memphis doesn’t need RJ. They have Coward/KCP. They don’t need Jak either. They have Edey, Aldama and JJJ.

They do need a PG if they trade Ja. They could use a backup wing if they move one in trade. They could always use picks because they draft well. They most certainly could use shooting. This is why they are an ideal trade partner for us.

Ja/Landale for IQ/Ochai/2nd is a simple starting point. I for one would like to add Gradey in and get Spencer back. So Ja/Landale/Spencer for IQ/Ochai/Gradey/2016 2nd. Just for fun if we want to get under the tax, we can add mogbo to that deal and get OMP back, while also converting one of our two ways - likely AJ Lawson.

To your second point on BI being a “calculated swing” vs. Ja or Ad… you sure about that?

In the history of my life, I have never been a part of an offseason where multiple major nba players were being linked directly to the raptors in trade. This year is the exception.

Really?

Raptors are tossed into random trade rumors every freaking year .

Not for multiple star players at the same time, they clearly expressed interest in Ja, Sabonis, AD, Trae. I think Bobby is open for business clearly this time around. Whether it will translate in a move , probably not, but I think they are more open to trade. Perhaps aBobby will evaluate less? :whoknows:

[Clutch0z24]

That’s some delirious mind Olympics. Sounds like you want to squander our assets for 3 years of 1st round exits.

Being the worst shooting team in the NBA isn’t enough, you want to double down and be the worst shooting team of the last decade. We’re a top team in generating open 3’s and a bottom team in making them.

How useful is their tier 2/3 shot creation gonna be if the paint is packed or when other teams play zone defense. RJ alone is probably more useful for our offense than either AD or Morant.

At most, you get one or the other (IF CHEAP, which they likely aren’t given teams wouldn’t want to take on bad contracts) and keep Barrett or at least replace RJ with an even better 3 point shooter.

Adding players just because they’re shiny names is such a low level play. Lillard, Durant, Paul George, Mitchell, post-prime Kawhi, Desmond Mason, KAT, Mikael Bridges, Westbrook, Beal, Derozan/SAC. There are a ton of situations that haven’t worked out as expected (or in many cases, ppl saw the disaster coming from a mile away).

Lol if you think AD/Morant are worse players and will make our team worse if you give up IQ/RJ in the process than you just don't know what you are talking about.....Talent wins out in the NBA playoffs and AD/Morant are way more talented and its not even a conversation....

Now would it be possible for us to land both prolly not......But to try and argue we would be worse off is silly especially with how low the cost would be for either of them....

You would be correct if we had to give up a boat load of assets for one of these guys but it sounds like from reports the trade market on these guys is low and you could get them for a buy low.....Part of this trade and why Bobby is reported to be blowing up the phones trying to move them for an upgrade is because of our cap situation with these 3 on the team in the future....

Rogers refuses to go into the tax with this team which means if IQ/Yak are still on the team with their big contracts that means RJ is leaving for nothing in free agency.....Bobby wants to get ahead of that problem and mess by trading them for a player that raises the ceiling of the team while Barnes/Ingram are still under contract before they potentially lose them as well....He knows they can't win in the playoffs with this current team as constructed so he wants to try and make a move to at least make a run which is why we are in so many rumors and reports looking to trade these guys....

You maybe in love with the team and the current guys we have but Bobby is looking to trade them for a reason here....If Bobby really thought trading for AD or Morant would make our team worse he would not be trying to do it. Barrett/IQ/Yak are not good enough to warrent an outcry if they were to be traded....These are not all star players....Barrett is the best player out of the bunch but we screwed ourselves when we gave IQ/Yak them contracts to realistically keep Barrett long term so moves have to be made at some point.

Morant definitely is worse then RJ +IQ.
AD if healthy would be nice but he's not going to be healthy.. so let's move on.

How you really see Morant as a upgrade considering his decline, his defense, his contract, injury concerns and awful outside shooting...

I said Morant is an upgrade over IQ not IQ+RJ?....I said Morant + AD is an upgrade over IQ/Barrett....

Morant is the better player than IQ.....Because he is a better starting PG....IQ is not a starting PG he is a 6th man microwave scorer being paid and played like a high level starting PG...One historically good game won't convince me when we have a sample size of him not being a great starting PG.

[PoundTown]

Bobby is an idiot if he trades for any of these guys, oh how we miss Masai already smh

He hasn't made the moves yet! haha.

He hasn't made the moves yet, but these moves are idiotic based on where our team is. Ja isn't a great fit on the floor given his lack of spacing. And his attitude could be the reason for us to all have to blow it up and start over, anyways. He's the type of player that can be so frustrating, it could seriously hamper our ability to enjoy the product as a fan. I mean, we all want to win, but right now we have a good group of dudes that are competing, playing defence, and improving with decent vibes and without prima donnas. We're going to have to make trades, but saying that, we can't fit square pegs into round holes. AD's fit wouldn't be bad, but his ability to stay on the court and timeline would be. BI was a good move, I even thought so at the time. These would not be good moves.

[Appostis]

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Lol if you think AD/Morant are worse players and will make our team worse if you give up IQ/RJ in the process than you just don't know what you are talking about.....Talent wins out in the NBA playoffs and AD/Morant are way more talented and its not even a conversation....

Now would it be possible for us to land both prolly not......But to try and argue we would be worse off is silly especially with how low the cost would be for either of them....

You would be correct if we had to give up a boat load of assets for one of these guys but it sounds like from reports the trade market on these guys is low and you could get them for a buy low.....Part of this trade and why Bobby is reported to be blowing up the phones trying to move them for an upgrade is because of our cap situation with these 3 on the team in the future....

Rogers refuses to go into the tax with this team which means if IQ/Yak are still on the team with their big contracts that means RJ is leaving for nothing in free agency.....Bobby wants to get ahead of that problem and mess by trading them for a player that raises the ceiling of the team while Barnes/Ingram are still under contract before they potentially lose them as well....He knows they can't win in the playoffs with this current team as constructed so he wants to try and make a move to at least make a run which is why we are in so many rumors and reports looking to trade these guys....

You maybe in love with the team and the current guys we have but Bobby is looking to trade them for a reason here....If Bobby really thought trading for AD or Morant would make our team worse he would not be trying to do it. Barrett/IQ/Yak are not good enough to warrent an outcry if they were to be traded....These are not all star players....Barrett is the best player out of the bunch but we screwed ourselves when we gave IQ/Yak them contracts to realistically keep Barrett long term so moves have to be made at some point.

Morant definitely is worse then RJ +IQ.
AD if healthy would be nice but he's not going to be healthy.. so let's move on.

How you really see Morant as a upgrade considering his decline, his defense, his contract, injury concerns and awful outside shooting...

I said Morant is an upgrade over IQ not IQ+RJ?....I said Morant + AD is an upgrade over IQ/Barrett....

Morant is the better player than IQ.....Because he is a better starting PG....IQ is not a starting PG he is a 6th man microwave scorer being paid and played like a high level starting PG...One historically good game won't convince me when we have a sample size of him not being a great starting PG.

Oh so is the issue that you can't count?

Feel free to explain how you're getting AD+ Morant for IQ and RJ... Really man think about what you're saying here before you hit that submit button.

Davis makes almost as much as those two and Morant is not a upgrade whatsoever but..

39.5 million + 55 million vs 32.5+ 27 million... Just waving away 40 odd million?

Even if you magically could make that trade work in still not sure it makes the team better unless you have AD more healthy then he's been for years. Morant is a downgrade from RJ or IQ.

What nonsense are you going on with? Seriously.. *face palm*

[Clutch0z24]

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Morant definitely is worse then RJ +IQ.
AD if healthy would be nice but he's not going to be healthy.. so let's move on.

How you really see Morant as a upgrade considering his decline, his defense, his contract, injury concerns and awful outside shooting...

I said Morant is an upgrade over IQ not IQ+RJ?....I said Morant + AD is an upgrade over IQ/Barrett....

Morant is the better player than IQ.....Because he is a better starting PG....IQ is not a starting PG he is a 6th man microwave scorer being paid and played like a high level starting PG...One historically good game won't convince me when we have a sample size of him not being a great starting PG.

Oh so is the issue that you can't count?

Feel free to explain how you're getting AD+ Morant for IQ and RJ... Really man think about what you're saying here before you hit that submit button.

Davis makes almost as much as those two and Morant is not a upgrade whatsoever but..

39.5 million + 55 million vs 32.5+ 27 million... Just waving away 40 odd million?

Even if you magically could make that trade work in still not sure it makes the team better unless you have AD more healthy then he's been for years. Morant is a downgrade from RJ or IQ.

What nonsense are you going on with? Seriously.. *face palm*

Are you really that dense? or are you just trying to start an argument over nothing like you seem to do in this thread everyday....

Read the posts back and forth between posters before posting your dumb opinions no one asked for...

I said multiple times that getting Morant+AD would be a hard to do in trades also Yaks back is cooked so i doubt any team would want him....But it could be done just we would be a tax team....But it is possible to get both in trades just unrealistic which i said multiple times....

The argument was about raising the ceiling of this team and yes Morant + AD would raise the ceiling...

IQ Vs Morant....Yes Morant is the better player, The better starting PG, And has more upside considering hes still 26 years old....

And AD is better than every player being mentioned in here ofc Injuries are a concern but IQ/RJ both have not been very healthy either they both miss lots of games and are injury prone....

Before sticking your nose into things and try to smack talk me read the conversation before hand or just don't @ me at all.

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I said Morant is an upgrade over IQ not IQ+RJ?....I said Morant + AD is an upgrade over IQ/Barrett....

Morant is the better player than IQ.....Because he is a better starting PG....IQ is not a starting PG he is a 6th man microwave scorer being paid and played like a high level starting PG...One historically good game won't convince me when we have a sample size of him not being a great starting PG.

Oh so is the issue that you can't count?

Feel free to explain how you're getting AD+ Morant for IQ and RJ... Really man think about what you're saying here before you hit that submit button.

Davis makes almost as much as those two and Morant is not a upgrade whatsoever but..

39.5 million + 55 million vs 32.5+ 27 million... Just waving away 40 odd million?

Even if you magically could make that trade work in still not sure it makes the team better unless you have AD more healthy then he's been for years. Morant is a downgrade from RJ or IQ.

What nonsense are you going on with? Seriously.. *face palm*

Are you really that dense? or are you just trying to start an argument over nothing like you seem to do in this thread everyday....

Read the posts back and forth between posters before posting your dumb opinions no one asked for...

I said multiple times that getting Morant+AD would be a hard to do in trades also Yaks back is cooked so i doubt any team would want him....But it could be done just we would be a tax team....But it is possible to get both in trades just unrealistic which i said multiple times....

The argument was about raising the ceiling of this team and yes Morant + AD would raise the ceiling...

IQ Vs Morant....Yes Morant is the better player, The better starting PG, And has more upside considering hes still 26 years old....

And AD is better than every player being mentioned in here ofc Injuries are a concern but IQ/RJ both have not been very healthy either they both miss lots of games and are injury prone....

Before sticking your nose into things and try to smack talk me read the conversation before hand or just don't @ me at all.

You're a lost cause.

Don't worry young man..you'll learn to count one day.. just keep working at it!

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Oh so is the issue that you can't count?

Feel free to explain how you're getting AD+ Morant for IQ and RJ... Really man think about what you're saying here before you hit that submit button.

Davis makes almost as much as those two and Morant is not a upgrade whatsoever but..

39.5 million + 55 million vs 32.5+ 27 million... Just waving away 40 odd million?

Even if you magically could make that trade work in still not sure it makes the team better unless you have AD more healthy then he's been for years. Morant is a downgrade from RJ or IQ.

What nonsense are you going on with? Seriously.. *face palm*

Are you really that dense? or are you just trying to start an argument over nothing like you seem to do in this thread everyday....

Read the posts back and forth between posters before posting your dumb opinions no one asked for...

I said multiple times that getting Morant+AD would be a hard to do in trades also Yaks back is cooked so i doubt any team would want him....But it could be done just we would be a tax team....But it is possible to get both in trades just unrealistic which i said multiple times....

The argument was about raising the ceiling of this team and yes Morant + AD would raise the ceiling...

IQ Vs Morant....Yes Morant is the better player, The better starting PG, And has more upside considering hes still 26 years old....

And AD is better than every player being mentioned in here ofc Injuries are a concern but IQ/RJ both have not been very healthy either they both miss lots of games and are injury prone....

Before sticking your nose into things and try to smack talk me read the conversation before hand or just don't @ me at all.

You're a loss cause.

Don't worry young man..you'll learn to count one day..

You are joining and arguing on a topic you don't even know the context of....It was about if you take RJ/IQ off the team and put Morant/AD on it which players would raise the ceiling of the team in the playoffs.....Not if it was a realistic thing to do via cap space reasons....Because we will lose RJ for nothing due to Cap issues as well...

So next time you stick your nose in conversations at least read what the conversation is about instead of making up dumb ass narratives that don't exist to try and argue for nothing....

Foolish Raptors bandwagon fans like you should go back to being hockey fans.

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I'm not a fan of Roger's ownership, but I will defend that they are not cheap skates. They are clearly willing to spend, but the NBA and NHL have the salary cap issues that make it prohibitive. If it was an uncapped league they would spend away to win.

Their willingness to spend is a recent phenomenon and has everything to do with their awareness that nobody gives a hoot about the jays unless they win.

As for the leafs - they’re the Yankees of hockey and the biggest hockey market. All they’ve got to do is win. Rogers sees this investment as legacy building. Hence billions of dollars invested into the tv deal.

I have yet to see the same kind of commitment and investment in basketball. My hope is that Larry and Masai double back to ownership of the Raps and TFC (maybe the argos too?).

That said, rogers is in the business of pleasing its shareholders. They have generated a lot of good will from the public via the jays and know how important that is to their brand.

My two cents, for what they’re worth.

Basketball has become the more lucrative sport than Hockey and Baseball because of its global marketability. That’s why of the Toronto teams the Raps have seen their valuation grow the most and are worth more than the leafs.

It’s not so much about spending into the tax. It’s the handcuffing. You shouldn’t spend into the tax unless you are a competitive team. Cause if you are not competitive and you are in the tax, you have few levers to fix your team.