Do we really want the guy who gave Poeltl his contract to make future decisions?

[Duffman100]

Bill SImmons has said that teams get a 10 years grace period from their fans after a championship. Maybe he's right. But this six year streak for the Raptors has been brutal and we are looking at nothing but mediocrity in sight going forward.

We somehow managed to go through this entire decade so far:

- being ass to mediocre depending on the year
- but still never having a top 3 pick
- with money to mediocre players clogging up the cap until 2030
- without the assets to trade or acquire a superstar
- without a top 15 player in the league

I know that Ted Rogers doesn't particularly think about the Raptors that much, which is fine, but someone needs to get into his bubble and let him know that Bobby Webster and the management team has to go or this is going to bleed into the next decade.

Merging with this thread as it's essentially the same conversation.

How so, my thread was a specific discussion on Bobby Websters decision making based on handing out the Poeltl contract.

Do we know when this fluke back injury occurred, if he wasn't dealing with it when he signed the deal this summer?

I mean its not a positive take - if the goals is to hide those from offending eyes that only want happy time, I get it. But its not the same discussion at all, really,

Your thread title says differently as does the conversation.

[Morris_Shatford]

We are 25-19 more than halfway through the season with us missing a significant amount of games from Poeltl and Barrett.

I was expecting us to be barely .500 healthy.

The Poeltl and Quick contracts are hardly my favour contracts in the league, but despite that challenge being on the books we are far better than I could have expected so I am content enough with Bobby for now.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

When Bobby started calling the shots we had the team we have now, minus Mamu and the Poeltl extension. I think Mamu has been a good signing, who is using his minutes here on a one year min contract (player option year 2 that we can't afford) to show he deserves more. The Poeltl thing feels like a very costly own goal, that sets us back before our rebuild really could get under way.

As good as Mamu has been in his role, he's not responsible for how competitive the East has been or why we're where we are. So I have a hard time seeing where we are now and think Bobby made this possible, I more think we''d have a much brighter future without Bobby's decision to sign the Poeltl deal.

[DelAbbot]

TWO told the board this back in 2022 and we got laughed out the gym lol.

There’s a good chance the city doesn’t get to experience winning a single playoff series in the 2020’s, that’s a real outcome based off the moves we’ve made since Tampa.

It is what it is, we got a fun team when healthy, it could be worse. Scottie is still getting better, CMB seems like a future all defensive first team caliber of player. Shead is a fun watch, we have all of our first round picks .. it’s not as doom and gloom as you’re making it out to be.

It wasn't just TWO. The week after Poeltl deal went down, the entire board was blooded with posts of dismay. Lots of old time posters chimed in. Everyone knew it was ill-timed deal - everyone except Bobby (and Masai) who thought the Poeltl deal was fair.

[ATLTimekeeper]

When Bobby started calling the shots we had the team we have now, minus Mamu and the Poeltl extension. I think Mamu has been a good signing, who is using his minutes here on a one year min contract (player option year 2 that we can't afford) to show he deserves more. The Poeltl thing feels like a very costly own goal, that sets us back before our rebuild really could get under way.

As good as Mamu has been in his role, he's not responsible for how competitive the East has been or why we're where we are. So I have a hard time seeing where we are now and think Bobby made this possible, I more think we''d have a much brighter future without Bobby's decision to sign the Poeltl deal.

So that, plus a pretty good draft haul and positive record all seems like good momentum. No one can prove Poeltl was hurt prior to the extension, let alone that the Raptors knew he was hurt. On the positive side Poeltl's absence has given the team some good minutes to CMB, who the coaches didn't know how to utilize early on, and of course Mamu has been a special member of the team this year and you get to see if he can sustain it under more minutes.

The whole brighter future thing is just impossible to know. Maybe Poeltl rehabs to a good place and he's a valuable member of the team for the duration of the contract. Hell Brook Lopez has had two back surgeries and played 18 years. The latest one was when he was 33 and he finished second in DPOY voting the next season.

[TGM]

No way Bobby gets fired. Bobby fits right in with the profile of Caucasian Corporate Boys Club in Canada. Masai never fit that profile. Roger’s is all about the Shapiro, Trevling and Pelley’s. Shapiro might have put a winning team this year, but he has had more lives than a cat. If it was a Masai running the Jays, he would have been canned before you finished saying his name. A Canadian CEO once said to me behind closed doors in the 90s. You can take the boy out of Scarborough but you can’t take the Scarborough out of the boy. I hate to say this but this statement still holds in Corporate Canada.

[SaveTheHens]

I think one thing that can help people relax is that sports are so variable. We couldve easily lost to the sixers or bucks. We WERENT destined to win that ring! It happened, we put ourselves in a good enough situation to let it happen, but we couldve lost any of the series from 2nd to the finals, no klay injury who knows? (I still think we win but who knows?). Kawhi wouldve left, the miserlies would squack about their bulletproof tanking approach. We have a competent franchise that puts us in situations where we’re in range of ‘the big ring’ if things end up going right variability wise. The bluejays benefited from that variability too, they were about as good as our raps if not worse midseason.. i mean batting coach may have been some of the magic but guys buying in is still part of the variability of what ended up a successful season. Sometimes timely spending or a move can boost some chances, but a few ‘mistakes’ on the road to a decently successful team is nothing to cry about. Mistakes will happen, its about having a management group that arent afraid to keep trying (insert rocky quote), along with some semblence of quality which bobby far exceeds, masais trust in him as a protege is enough for me. Its about reading people more than just their numbers, doing the future planning that we on this board arent privy to that process. Why not enjoy the ride esp if we’ve been playing well so far?

[bobbyp3588]

This isn’t directed at anyone other than the OP. I’ve not read a single post save for the original and the thread title….
OP you should shut the **** up… you’re passively embarrassing yourself.
But you’re right, we should give you his job. We’d be on a much better track I’m sure…. FOH!

Warned, personal attack + 12 hour ban. Any future personal attacks will result in longer suspensions as you have been warned many times.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

This isn’t directed at anyone other than the OP. I’ve not read a single post save for the original and the thread title….
OP you should shut the **** up… you’re passively embarrassing yourself.
But you’re right, we should give you his job. We’d be on a much better track I’m sure…. FOH!

Live long and be well.

[Johnny Bball]

This **** fan base... 4 month in, fire him...smh.

[C Court]

Is Bobby the Raptors version of Gord Ash to Pat Gillick? Masai started as a scout with a great eye for basketball talent. Pat Gillick had the same eye for baseball talent. Gord Ash did not and he failed miserably. That’s my biggest concern with Bobby. Is he a good talent evaluator at heart? Probably not.

That said, if Bobby surrounds himself with the right talent evaluators, he’ll be fine. So far, I am pleasantly surprised and optimistic that Bobby can be successful in his role. In fairness to Bobby, almost all Raptors personnel decisions were made by Masai. So I’m not willing to lay too much blame on him for past mistakes.

This trade deadline and off season will give us a better understanding of whether Bobby is our guy. At this point, I’m comfortable with him at the helm.

[djsunyc]

shouldve moved on from presti after drafting poku.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Someone a let me know when Jacob got hurt, but it does look to me like they signed a guy with a bad back and limited our flexibility.
We once signed an injured Demarre Carroll and I hated that deal too. Eventually everyone did, except his agent mark bartelstien who did well for his client but it screwed us for a bit.

If I evaluate Bobby since he’s been pres, the Jacob deal is not reassuring. I hope he makes some good decisions as well. I don’t think much will happen this deadline other than ducking of tax. But they really could have just made Temple a coach and not had the issue.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Is Bobby the Raptors version of Gord Ash to Pat Gillick? Masai started as a scout with a great eye for basketball talent. Pat Gillick had the same eye for baseball talent. Gord Ash did not and he failed miserably. That’s my biggest concern with Bobby. Is he a good talent evaluator at heart? Probably not.

That said, if Bobby surrounds himself with the right talent evaluators, he’ll be fine. So far, I am pleasantly surprised and optimistic that Bobby can be successful in his role. In fairness to Bobby, almost all Raptors personnel decisions were made by Masai. So I’m not willing to lay too much blame on him for past mistakes.

This trade deadline and off season will give us a better understanding of whether Bobby is our guy. At this point, I’m comfortable with him at the helm.

The scouting is the same as it was when Masai was here. It's everyone sees everyone. Masai wasn't some famous scout that uncovered hidden gems and brought them to the NBA, making his name that way. Doc Rivers was impressed with his executive potential while he was trying to break into the league, and he seemed to fast-track with his networking skills.

Also it wasn't just Pat Gillick that left, but Epy Guerrerro left soon after, and he was the guy responsible for Fernandez, Delgado, Garcia, George Bell, and a bunch of others. He was Pat Gillick's primary advantage over the competition at the time. It would be like if Dan Tolzman left and took Watson with him.

[billy_hoyle]

Defensible contract extension IMO.

Poeltl is a good player. Sucks that he got hurt. It happens.

I wish we had him healthy and playing. We would be gunning for 55-ish wins.

Need to trade for a competent back-up 5.

[OakleyDokely]

This team is currently 4th in the standings, tied on wins with the 2nd seed. They have a young allstar, allnba, all defensive talent that he was.involved.in drafting and he.just picked one of the best rookies in the current draft class. One potential bad deal doesn't outweigh all of the above. If they tank the rest of the season, things could change, but at this point, it doesn't make sense to.make a change.

[LordByronScott]

This is a great thread for adding people to the ignore list.

[LordByronScott]

This is a great thread for adding people to the ignore list.