Grange: Raptors prepared to be patient with Webster leading over the long term

[Indeed]

The fire Bobby crowd is amusing. Where is the precedent for a first year GM improving a team record from 30 wins to 48 wins (current pace) and getting canned?

You mean Ujiri on his Ingram signing and the current FO calls it a desperation move, which I think they disagreed it?

What is the reason you think the Raptors can win so many games (aside from going against weak teams and strong teams with injured starters)? Shut down by a zone?

[PushDaRock]

The fire Bobby crowd is amusing. Where is the precedent for a first year GM improving a team record from 30 wins to 48 wins (current pace) and getting canned?

You mean Ujiri on his Ingram signing and the current FO calls it a desperation move, which I think they disagreed it?

What is the reason you think the Raptors can win so many games (aside from going against weak teams and strong teams with injured starters)? Shut down by a zone?

I don't know what this even means?

[Indeed]

The fire Bobby crowd is amusing. Where is the precedent for a first year GM improving a team record from 30 wins to 48 wins (current pace) and getting canned?

You mean Ujiri on his Ingram signing and the current FO calls it a desperation move, which I think they disagreed it?

What is the reason you think the Raptors can win so many games (aside from going against weak teams and strong teams with injured starters)? Shut down by a zone?

I don't know what this even means?

It means he wasnt the one who improved the team.

[Badonkadonk]

There's some serious copium in this thread.

The reason Bobby is secure is that like all businesses, MLSE leadership met early on and discussed expectations on the season. I'm sure they also have KPIs. Vegas thought the Raps would win ~33 games early, that migrated up to ~37-38 by the start of the season.

If I had to guess, they'd have talked about and attempted to quantify for things like Scottie's development (probably the biggest variable for the current iteration of the team), whether their #9 pick was used wisely, how BI integrates with the team, progress from some of the key younger guys like Shead, Walter, Dick etc., actual on court success and whatever a fair evaluation of that would be, and so on.

I'm willing to wager the team has tracked VERY favourably across most of those criteria, with some failing grades here and there (eg. Gradey).

Bobby's not going anywhere, and I'd also wager the only people feeling "pressure" to make a short-sighted move are the ones who are lacking the context on how this season was going to be judged in the first place (i.e. nobody actually in Raps leadership, just us forum warriors).

TL;DR, people need to chill.

[PushDaRock]

You mean Ujiri on his Ingram signing and the current FO calls it a desperation move, which I think they disagreed it?

What is the reason you think the Raptors can win so many games (aside from going against weak teams and strong teams with injured starters)? Shut down by a zone?

I don't know what this even means?

It means he wasnt the one who improved the team.

Does it matter?

[Indeed]

I don't know what this even means?

It means he wasnt the one who improved the team.

Does it matter?

It matters in terms of firing not concluded base on the record.

my thought is that it will be viewership (playoff games) plus financial aspect (below the tax). Long term contracts and assets (eg. Picks) may also be a minor aspect.

If you are to evaluate for a short term GM, what would you be looking for?

[SFour]

Raptors reporters just speculate and hope to be right.....it's easy to say Raptors are going to stand pat because that was the most likely outcome anyways.

[LoveMyRaps]

Raptors reporters just speculate and hope to be right.....it's easy to say Raptors are going to stand pat because that was the most likely outcome anyways.

Grange is a joke

Will never forget how Kobe clowned him on Twitter for being disrespectful and made him apologize.

[PushDaRock]

It means he wasnt the one who improved the team.

Does it matter?

It matters in terms of firing not concluded base on the record.

my thought is that it will be viewership (playoff games) plus financial aspect (below the tax). Long term contracts and assets (eg. Picks) may also be a minor aspect.

If you are to evaluate for a short term GM, what would you be looking for?

Cool, so you think history will be made. GL

[Appostis]

Raptors reporters just speculate and hope to be right.....it's easy to say Raptors are going to stand pat because that was the most likely outcome anyways.

Grange is a joke

Will never forget how Kobe clowned him on Twitter for being disrespectful and made him apologize.

You really care about anything that involves Kobe?

[Tha Cynic]

It’s like you guys are all new here and have never seen how the Raptors operate .

I have no doubt there was a call about Morant, Young and Davis. But the Raptors are going to be looking for value deals, as they should be. The moment the ask is too much they will back out. We basically got Ingram for nothing.

[HiJiNX]

The fire Bobby crowd is amusing. Where is the precedent for a first year GM improving a team record from 30 wins to 48 wins (current pace) and getting canned?

You mean Ujiri on his Ingram signing and the current FO calls it a desperation move, which I think they disagreed it?

What is the reason you think the Raptors can win so many games (aside from going against weak teams and strong teams with injured starters)? Shut down by a zone?

If we were on pace for 60 wins you’d complain that it’s not 61.

[Sandman88]

If Pelley doesn’t have a mandate for Bobby to acquire a starting level point guard who can orchestrate an offense, then I fear he may not know ball.

[Tha Cynic]

I have more confidence in Fischer's reporting. Grange has always been the after the fact guy that provides additional details. Toronto media has no sources inside the Raptors organization.

All Fischer does is throw every little thing he hears out into the universe. He’s bound to get some right. He gets a ton wrong. Grange is probably the closer current state reporting.

My take is that Raptors explored the bigger names, nothing materialized and now they’re focusing on smaller deals. This is how they always operate.

[Quattro]

called out Sharpe as a good option a while ago so I'm glad to see grange mention him. Goga and Missi would be fine too

No writer for the Raptors has ever really had any sources in the organization.

Aure but the organization is s**t now. Who knows what Richard Peddie II is feeding reporters behind the scenes.

[WuTang_CMB]

This cements Bobby here for a new deal. Pelley aint going on record for these quotes only to fire him. Team as a whole made a jump. Scottie/BI have been great. Young players slowly getting better. CMB was a home run.

The bargain shopping will continue as it has been for a decade in order to upgrade while not giving up the future.

[Tha Cynic]

This cements Bobby here for a new deal. Pelley aint going on record for these quotes only to fire him. Team as a whole made a jump. Scottie/BI have been great. Young players slowly getting better. CMB was a home run.

The bargain shopping will continue as it has been for a decade in order to upgrade while not giving up the future.

They will make a splash if it’s there, but I think that player will need to be a two way star like Giannis. You bargain hunt on guys like Young, Morant and an aging, injured Davis.

It just means they won’t make stupid, desperate moves. The Poeltl trade was their worst given the situation at that time

[Raptorfan2012]

I can still see us landing Sabonis. He has been rumoured to us since the off-season, and Darko is probably pitching him to the front office.

[TorontoBarneys]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/raptors-prepared-to-be-patient-with-webster-leading-over-the-long-term/

Not sure how much Grange knows, but basically Raptors are not in for Morant, Davis doesn't really make sense for our timeline, have not verified whether the Raptors are in on Sabonis, Raptors don't have expiring deals that other teams may value, and Raptors more likely to just trade Abaji for a back up C.

All solid info if true.

[ATLTimekeeper]

The weird thing for me in all this is that Pelley let Masai try and trade our pick last year to upgrade, and then fired him early in June when that didn't work out. I thought that was a stupid risk by Pelley, and shows why he is best leaving his hands off the Raptors. He really should have been fired at the end of the season. Because of that, I could buy that he's given the impression that Bobby has to make a big move by the trade deadline to earn his extension. Especially if that extension wasn't actually agreed upon or signed at the time of the announcement. This is where Grange really needs to go back and clean up his article.

Just keep in mind Pelley wanted Pritchard, who turned him down, and then he settled for Bobby. It still seems unlikely that he would take this very good season so far and demand a big trade to solidify the relationship. Especially if you look at how patient they've been with the Leafs this season.