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Re: PG: The Immanuel Quickley Show 

Post#121 » by MEDIC » Yesterday 2:12 pm

Duffman100 wrote:lol of course the late game I can't watch has IQ drop 40. Looked like a blowout most of the game and we let them back in late?


It was a mix of throwing risky passes, turning the ball over 3 possessions in a row & Quickley not defending Buddy Heild tight enough. Heild.started hitting everything after that.

Heild would be a nice bench scorer for us.
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Re: PG: The Immanuel Quickley Show 

Post#122 » by djsunyc » Yesterday 2:14 pm

C_Money wrote:We always have to make it interesting. Damn near blew a 30 point lead.

they are called token runs for a reason. never in doubt.
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Re: PG: The Immanuel Quickley Show 

Post#123 » by YogurtProducer » Yesterday 2:14 pm

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Duffman100 wrote:lol of course the late game I can't watch has IQ drop 40. Looked like a blowout most of the game and we let them back in late?


It was a mix of throwing risky passes, turning the ball over 3 possessions in a row & Quickley not defending Buddy Heild tight enough. Heild.started hitting everything after that.

Heild would be a nice bench scorer for us.

I don't see a path to how we can acquire him or why we would.

$10M for 3 mor years for a 33 year old who has seen his %'s slip for 3 striaght years now
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Re: PG: The Immanuel Quickley Show 

Post#124 » by Godaddycurse » Yesterday 2:15 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:Here is IQ's 3 point attempts from a 2/10 game he had last week. Don't these types of shots look familiar (oh - they were the same as he took last night):

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FG3A&GameID=0022500560&PlayerID=1630193&Season=2025-26&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game

Or an 0/6 night last month:

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FG3A&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022500451&PlayerID=1630193&RangeType=0&Season=2025-26&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612761&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game

Or a 3/11 game vs Charlotte:

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FG3A&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022500516&PlayerID=1630193&RangeType=0&Season=2025-26&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612761&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game

Seems like a lot of off-ball, catch and shoot, or transition 3's.


I think his shot attempts are similar with or without shead but his focus/stamina to convert them is different. His 3 pt% is significantly better when playing next to shead vs without. Still a small sample so could just be noise
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Re: PG: The Immanuel Quickley Show 

Post#125 » by WuTang_CMB » Yesterday 2:15 pm

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YogurtProducer wrote:Ah yes the "I disagree with you so instead of discussing in bad faith I am going to accuse you of not watching the game or not playing ball". We can literally go watch the damn highlights and see how he scored.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FGM&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022500618&PlayerID=1630193&RangeType=0&Season=2025-26&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612761&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game

4 transition 3's
1 pull up 3
1 out of bounds play
1 three created by Barnes against a zone
2 floaters (created by IQ)
2 mid rangers

You guys are reading WAY to deeply into this. These are the exact types of shots IQ has been taking all season, and typically missing. Now he just had a good game of hitting them and suddenly the entire narrative changes somehow.

Weird. Wonder how he ended up 10 assists.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=AST&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022500618&PlayerID=1630193&RangeType=0&Season=2025-26&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612761&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game


Here's the numbers you need to understand.

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So he has more usage (and therefore more points) and is less efficient with Jamal?

Yeah.. this is not the gotcha you think it is.

IDK how you watch that tweeted video with a straight face and think Shead had ANYTHING significant to do with any of those buckets


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you're the only guy in the room who doesn't get it. I don't know how much more we can explain it. As traps said, if u havent played ball, you really dont know the difference on your legs when you are constantly bringing the ball up, initiating and running around on defense. It can make or break your shot. Comes down to endurance. IQ was successful yesterday and hit his shots because he had help with Jamal and played more off ball, as the numbers show.
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Re: PG: The Immanuel Quickley Show 

Post#126 » by traps#10 » Yesterday 2:15 pm

MEDIC wrote:We need a backup C & another PG with size.

What is Delon Wright up to these days?



I wonder if there’s a deal to be had with the Blazers for Jrue Holiday and Clingan or Robert Williams
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Re: PG: The Immanuel Quickley Show 

Post#127 » by Madvillainy2004 » Yesterday 2:17 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
WuTang_CMB wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Ah yes the "I disagree with you so instead of discussing in bad faith I am going to accuse you of not watching the game or not playing ball". We can literally go watch the damn highlights and see how he scored.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FGM&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022500618&PlayerID=1630193&RangeType=0&Season=2025-26&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612761&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game

4 transition 3's
1 pull up 3
1 out of bounds play
1 three created by Barnes against a zone
2 floaters (created by IQ)
2 mid rangers

You guys are reading WAY to deeply into this. These are the exact types of shots IQ has been taking all season, and typically missing. Now he just had a good game of hitting them and suddenly the entire narrative changes somehow.

Weird. Wonder how he ended up 10 assists.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=AST&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022500618&PlayerID=1630193&RangeType=0&Season=2025-26&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612761&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game


Here's the numbers you need to understand.

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Read on Twitter
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So he has more usage (and therefore more points) and is less efficient with Jamal?

Yeah.. this is not the gotcha you think it is.

IDK how you watch that tweeted video with a straight face and think Shead had ANYTHING significant to do with any of those buckets


The guy with highest EPM on the team actually needs Jamal Shead to hold his hand and do things for him.
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Re: PG: The Immanuel Quickley Show 

Post#128 » by MEDIC » Yesterday 2:18 pm

WuTang_CMB wrote:
Here's the numbers you need to understand.

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This supports what a lot of us have been saying about this team needing another PG that can run the team & get some.paint touches.

Quick is a 2 guard & excels in a 6th man role.

The Knicks were using him properly.
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Post#129 » by YogurtProducer » Yesterday 2:20 pm

WuTang_CMB wrote: As traps said, if u havent played ball, you really dont know.

Alright man. Maybe focus on the conversation rather than just make **** up for no reason.
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Re: PG: The Immanuel Quickley Show 

Post#130 » by YogurtProducer » Yesterday 2:20 pm

MEDIC wrote:
WuTang_CMB wrote:
Here's the numbers you need to understand.

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This supports what a lot of us have been saying about this team needing another PG that can run the team & get some.paint touches.

Quick is a 2 guard & excels in a 6th man role.

The Knicks were using him properly.

Where in that highlight clip can you confidently say it was a 2nd guard that caused IQ to have success? Cause it looks like a LOT of those shots were not involving Shead in any fashion.
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Re: PG: The Immanuel Quickley Show 

Post#131 » by WuTang_CMB » Yesterday 2:22 pm

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WuTang_CMB wrote: As traps said, if u havent played ball, you really dont know.

Alright man. Maybe focus on the conversation rather than just make **** up for no reason.


Nothing is made up :lol:

That's literally common knowledge for anyone who has played the guard position at any level. I also just showed u the stats
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Re: PG: The Immanuel Quickley Show 

Post#132 » by YogurtProducer » Yesterday 2:24 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Here is IQ's 3 point attempts from a 2/10 game he had last week. Don't these types of shots look familiar (oh - they were the same as he took last night):

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FG3A&GameID=0022500560&PlayerID=1630193&Season=2025-26&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game

Or an 0/6 night last month:

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FG3A&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022500451&PlayerID=1630193&RangeType=0&Season=2025-26&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612761&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game

Or a 3/11 game vs Charlotte:

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FG3A&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022500516&PlayerID=1630193&RangeType=0&Season=2025-26&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612761&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game

Seems like a lot of off-ball, catch and shoot, or transition 3's.


I think his shot attempts are similar with or without shead but his focus/stamina to convert them is different. His 3 pt% is significantly better when playing next to shead vs without. Still a small sample so could just be noise

Yeah the attempts are freaking identical. IDK what mental gymnastics people are going through to convince themselves they have different in any way.

And I think it is literally a small sample thing. IQ has been playing this role for us since he got here, and he shot 40% and 38% in his first 2 seasons (and is "only" at 36% this year). Not to mention he is averaging nearly a career high in 2pt%, a career high in APG, and is turning the ball over about the same as he was in NYK.

Not to mention, he is scoring the highest % of his points of his career that have been assisted by other players. AKA - he is scoring more off-ball now than he ever has before in his career.
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Re: PG: The Immanuel Quickley Show 

Post#133 » by Duffman100 » Yesterday 2:29 pm

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Duffman100 wrote:lol of course the late game I can't watch has IQ drop 40. Looked like a blowout most of the game and we let them back in late?


It was a mix of throwing risky passes, turning the ball over 3 possessions in a row & Quickley not defending Buddy Heild tight enough. Heild.started hitting everything after that.

Heild would be a nice bench scorer for us.


Sounds like a fake run to me. Haha
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Re: PG: The Immanuel Quickley Show 

Post#134 » by YogurtProducer » Yesterday 2:33 pm

WuTang_CMB wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
WuTang_CMB wrote: As traps said, if u havent played ball, you really dont know.

Alright man. Maybe focus on the conversation rather than just make **** up for no reason.


Nothing is made up :lol:

That's literally common knowledge for anyone who has played the guard position at any level. I also just showed u the stats

Stats can be finicky man, especially in small samples, such as this one:

% of 3PM by IQ that were assisted:
WITH Shead - 83%
WITHOUT Shead - 85%

% of 2PM by IQ that were assisted:
WITH Shead - 41%
WITHOUT Shead - 45%

So doesn't this contradict your entire position? IQ actually creates for himself MORE when Shead is on the floor with him.
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Re: PG: The Immanuel Quickley Show 

Post#135 » by YogurtProducer » Yesterday 2:35 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
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Duffman100 wrote:lol of course the late game I can't watch has IQ drop 40. Looked like a blowout most of the game and we let them back in late?


It was a mix of throwing risky passes, turning the ball over 3 possessions in a row & Quickley not defending Buddy Heild tight enough. Heild.started hitting everything after that.

Heild would be a nice bench scorer for us.


Sounds like a fake run to me. Haha

The game was never really seriously in question.

Kerr didn't even sub Curry or Draymond back into the game in the 4th.
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Re: PG: The Immanuel Quickley Show 

Post#136 » by MEDIC » Yesterday 2:35 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
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Duffman100 wrote:lol of course the late game I can't watch has IQ drop 40. Looked like a blowout most of the game and we let them back in late?


It was a mix of throwing risky passes, turning the ball over 3 possessions in a row & Quickley not defending Buddy Heild tight enough. Heild.started hitting everything after that.

Heild would be a nice bench scorer for us.


Sounds like a fake run to me. Haha


Pretty much. They didn't even put Curry on the floor. Sat most of, if not all of the 4th.
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Post#137 » by YogurtProducer » Yesterday 2:36 pm

Madvillainy2004 wrote:The guy with highest EPM on the team actually needs Jamal Shead to hold his hand and do things for him.
It is impressive Quickley even had an NBA career considering how badly he needs Shead to succeed. Its a good thing Shead was on the floor last night on the opposite side of the floor when IQ hit his 3's. Had he been on the bench, he would have missed those open 3's.
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Re: PG: The Immanuel Quickley Show 

Post#138 » by WuTang_CMB » Yesterday 2:38 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
WuTang_CMB wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Alright man. Maybe focus on the conversation rather than just make **** up for no reason.


Nothing is made up :lol:

That's literally common knowledge for anyone who has played the guard position at any level. I also just showed u the stats

Stats can be finicky man, especially in small samples, such as this one:

% of 3PM by IQ that were assisted:
WITH Shead - 83%
WITHOUT Shead - 85%

% of 2PM by IQ that were assisted:
WITH Shead - 41%
WITHOUT Shead - 45%

So doesn't this contradict your entire position? IQ actually creates for himself MORE when Shead is on the floor with him.


This doesn't contradict anything. I just provided you the increase of percentages and points when Shead plays with IQ - which you are still not accepting. You are also still not comprehending the endurance factor we have been mentioning a few times already and how another guard assists IQ on both ends which helps his legs. You may not get it, but it's a real thing.
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Re: PG: The Immanuel Quickley Show 

Post#139 » by MEDIC » Yesterday 2:40 pm

It was nice to see Battle.get 15 minutes. He has earned that at this point. He needs a consistent role.
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Re: PG: The Immanuel Quickley Show 

Post#140 » by traps#10 » Yesterday 2:41 pm

WuTang_CMB wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
WuTang_CMB wrote:
Nothing is made up :lol:

That's literally common knowledge for anyone who has played the guard position at any level. I also just showed u the stats

Stats can be finicky man, especially in small samples, such as this one:

% of 3PM by IQ that were assisted:
WITH Shead - 83%
WITHOUT Shead - 85%

% of 2PM by IQ that were assisted:
WITH Shead - 41%
WITHOUT Shead - 45%

So doesn't this contradict your entire position? IQ actually creates for himself MORE when Shead is on the floor with him.


This doesn't contradict anything. I just provided you the increase of percentages and points when Shead plays with IQ - which you are still not accepting. You are also still not comprehending the endurance factor we have been mentioning a few times already and how another guard assists IQ on both ends which helps his legs. You may not get it, but it's a real thing.


Also he’s not considering the mental aspect of running the offense as the lead PG, calling out plays, etc. All of these are aspects not shown on paper and only players who played ball knows.

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