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Re: We Can't Shoot for Sh*t 

Post#121 » by YogurtProducer » Yesterday 3:31 pm

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The pressure of not running the offense and deciding who to call plays for really allows Quickley to play more free flowing

Yeah, I could really tell on those transition 3's that his headspace was was more clear with Shead on the court.

As everyone knows, NBA players get very overwhelmed by playing offence.


Are you serious? You don’t think there’s any pressure when you’re asked to run the point? There’s a reason why some players with all the talent in the world but don’t succeed because it’s in their head. You look at the game thru the lens of just numbers, black or white it seems.

Whats more reasonable:

A) the guy who played point and managed to shoot 39% over his first two years as a Raptor had a tough shooting stretch
OR
B) the guy cant shoot and bring the ball up at the same time

IDK man - I am really leaning to A
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Post#122 » by PushDaRock » Yesterday 4:01 pm

Just need to shoot like this every night and we would be the best shooting team in the league!!!
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Post#123 » by PushDaRock » Yesterday 4:03 pm

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theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:Maybe we should play our best shooter off the ball more with someone who can get him looks?


The pressure of not running the offense and deciding who to call plays for really allows Quickley to play more free flowing

Yeah, I could really tell on those transition 3's that his headspace was was more clear with Shead on the court.

As everyone knows, NBA players get very overwhelmed by playing offence.


He looks exhausted bringing the ball up the floor normally, Shead easing that burden was a massive help!!!
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Post#124 » by tsherkin » Yesterday 4:08 pm

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All those things, but also 0.578 on the year after tonight. Pretty great season if you ask me. Up from 0.366 in 24-25. I'll settle with a .200+ year over year improvement myself.


Yeah, he was a horrible mess last year, like he was in his second season. He's what, -0.3% rTS right now? That's a major improvement. If he can hold around there, then he'll be relatively fine for us, so long as our other guys come through. His 3PAr is also the lowest it has been since his rookie year, which is a good thing, given his problems there. Nice to see the FT% up into the 80s, as well.

He looks really good, overall.
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Post#125 » by MEDIC » Yesterday 4:12 pm

PushDaRock wrote:Just need to shoot like this every night and we would be the best shooting team in the league!!!


I wish we could spread it out a little more. It's feast or famine. Especially with Quickley & Dick.

I do like the idea another poster had. Have Quickley be the first sub out, Jamal be the first sub in. Next Sub would be RJ for Quick. Keep Quick's legs fresh & give him some time off the ball. It might be a good strategy to try with RJ coming back from injury (& may be playing with more limited minutes).

It gets kind of complicated though when you have to do stuff like this just to keep a guy playing well. Especially a starting PG. If he was 6th man, it would solve a lot of issues.
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Post#126 » by traps#10 » Yesterday 4:18 pm

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YogurtProducer wrote:
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The pressure of not running the offense and deciding who to call plays for really allows Quickley to play more free flowing

Yeah, I could really tell on those transition 3's that his headspace was was more clear with Shead on the court.

As everyone knows, NBA players get very overwhelmed by playing offence.


He looks exhausted bringing the ball up the floor normally, Shead easing that burden was a massive help!!!


Didn’t look like he was second guessing himself with decision making. Was just playing freely.
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Post#127 » by traps#10 » Yesterday 4:21 pm

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PushDaRock wrote:Just need to shoot like this every night and we would be the best shooting team in the league!!!


I wish we could spread it out a little more. It's feast or famine. Especially with Quickley & Dick.

I do like the idea another poster had. Have Quickley be the first sub out, Jamal be the first sub in. Next Sub would be RJ for Quick. Keep Quick's legs fresh & give him some time off the ball. It might be a good strategy to try with RJ coming back from injury (& may be playing with more limited minutes).

It gets kind of complicated though when you have to do stuff like this just to keep a guy playing well. Especially a starting PG. If he was 6th man, it would solve a lot of issues.


Darko likes subbing out Barnes first, but I want Shead to come in for Barnes. Try to pair Quickley with Shead as much as possible. And never play Dick and Walter together lol. They’re the modern day Bash Bros and not in a good way.
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Post#128 » by YogurtProducer » Yesterday 4:39 pm

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YogurtProducer wrote:Yeah, I could really tell on those transition 3's that his headspace was was more clear with Shead on the court.

As everyone knows, NBA players get very overwhelmed by playing offence.


He looks exhausted bringing the ball up the floor normally, Shead easing that burden was a massive help!!!


Didn’t look like he was second guessing himself with decision making. Was just playing freely.

And he was second guessing himself in the 45 games prior in which he clanked open 3's?

Like this argument makes no sense man. The guy was bricking wide open catch and shoot 3's for a month. How is that in any way related to Shead? How does Shead making the pass to him wide open instead of RJ fundamentally change if the shot goes down?
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Post#129 » by Yallbecrazy » Yesterday 4:47 pm

PushDaRock wrote:Just need to shoot like this every night and we would be the best shooting team in the league!!!


CMB holding the team back.
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Post#130 » by PushDaRock » Yesterday 6:03 pm

Yallbecrazy wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:Just need to shoot like this every night and we would be the best shooting team in the league!!!


CMB holding the team back.


Hate to agree but facts are facts
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Post#131 » by tsherkin » Yesterday 6:10 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:Like this argument makes no sense man. The guy was bricking wide open catch and shoot 3's for a month. How is that in any way related to Shead? How does Shead making the pass to him wide open instead of RJ fundamentally change if the shot goes down?


More importantly, I think a lot of this conversation comes down to appreciating percentages.

Quick is now shooting 36.0% on the season. You get EXTREME variance when you take a lot of shots at that percentage.

He was crap in October, hot in November, poor in December, and he's heating up again in January. Up and down, up and down. That's the rhythm of a sub-40% shot from a guy who takes over half of his shots from 3. Like, that's just part and parcel with that kind of player.

People get impatient, get stuck as prisoners of the moment. We're fans, we're all vulnerable to it.
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Post#132 » by YogurtProducer » Yesterday 6:50 pm

tsherkin wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Like this argument makes no sense man. The guy was bricking wide open catch and shoot 3's for a month. How is that in any way related to Shead? How does Shead making the pass to him wide open instead of RJ fundamentally change if the shot goes down?


More importantly, I think a lot of this conversation comes down to appreciating percentages.

Quick is now shooting 36.0% on the season. You get EXTREME variance when you take a lot of shots at that percentage.

He was crap in October, hot in November, poor in December, and he's heating up again in January. Up and down, up and down. That's the rhythm of a sub-40% shot from a guy who takes over half of his shots from 3. Like, that's just part and parcel with that kind of player.

People get impatient, get stuck as prisoners of the moment. We're fans, we're all vulnerable to it.

It’s quite clear people here don’t fully grasp variance or small samples.

When even the elite only do something 40% of the time, you’re gonna see huge swings.
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Post#133 » by tsherkin » Yesterday 7:07 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:When even the elite only do something 40% of the time, you’re gonna see huge swings.


For sure. And again, it can't be overstated that this shot reflects over half of his shooting volume. So his overall scoring performance is going to be so capricious from game to game, and that's got to be expected.
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Post#134 » by YogurtProducer » Yesterday 7:47 pm

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YogurtProducer wrote:When even the elite only do something 40% of the time, you’re gonna see huge swings.


For sure. And again, it can't be overstated that this shot reflects over half of his shooting volume. So his overall scoring performance is going to be so capricious from game to game, and that's got to be expected.

Yeah agreed.

I think we should do a bit more to get him going in other ways, because his in between game is a bit underrated IMO, and there are some shots taken by some "lesser" offensive players that IQ should be taking.

It really is malpractice we dont always have 2 of IQ/Barnes/Barrett/Ingram on the floor. Pretty much any bench looks Dick gets could easily be replaced by IQ if we did our sub patterns better.
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Post#135 » by tsherkin » Yesterday 7:50 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:I think we should do a bit more to get him going in other ways, because his in between game is a bit underrated IMO, and there are some shots taken by some "lesser" offensive players that IQ should be taking.

It really is malpractice we dont always have 2 of IQ/Barnes/Barrett/Ingram on the floor. Pretty much any bench looks Dick gets could easily be replaced by IQ if we did our sub patterns better.


It would be interesting to see what would happen if we got him shooting a little more at the elbows and the nail off of live-dribble looks. When he's confident at getting past his man, he gets those opportunities well enough.
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Post#136 » by YogurtProducer » Yesterday 7:57 pm

tsherkin wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:I think we should do a bit more to get him going in other ways, because his in between game is a bit underrated IMO, and there are some shots taken by some "lesser" offensive players that IQ should be taking.

It really is malpractice we dont always have 2 of IQ/Barnes/Barrett/Ingram on the floor. Pretty much any bench looks Dick gets could easily be replaced by IQ if we did our sub patterns better.


It would be interesting to see what would happen if we got him shooting a little more at the elbows and the nail off of live-dribble looks. When he's confident at getting past his man, he gets those opportunities well enough.

A lot will open up if/when Poeltl returns. His screening will get Quick a lot more better looks.

We really at our best have 4 guys who all should be averaging 18-21ppg

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