PG: The Immanuel Quickley Show

[YogurtProducer]

If Quick was averaging 23/7 on his current contract, he'd be about $10 mil underpaid compared to his peers

Absolutely wild to suggest "if only IQ was an all-nba player his contract would be worth it".

Chalk it up to people not following how high the cap has gone.

[Godaddycurse]

If Quick was averaging 23/7 on his current contract, he'd be about $10 mil underpaid compared to his peers

Absolutely wild to suggest "if only IQ was an all-nba player his contract would be worth it".

Chalk it up to people not following how high the cap has gone.

He probably thought Lowry at 3/100 back in the day as being overpaid too

[tsherkin]

Chalk it up to people not following how high the cap has gone.

Is this a serious conversation?

The cap is at $154.6 million. IQ's at 21% of the cap... and his contract is fixed at that salary, so that proportion will continue to decline over the breadth of his contract.

It's really not that bad at all. His salary is the equivalent of an $8.9 million dollar contract back in the 2001-02 season. Or around what Steve Smith was making for the SPurs that year.

[Indeed]

All this IQ/Shead talk...

The bigger issue if CMB is missing significant time and Poeltl isn't back, we're **** ed for our frontcourt. We need to make a deal soon for center depth.

I am unsure fixing the center problem by creating a guard problem would make us any better.
We can say the same with Barrett out and Shead got injured, we basically have no rim pressure and lack of shooting (maybe we already lacked shooting in half court).

I'd push for Jalen Smith. (I've wanted him for a while)

Ochai + Dick + LAL 2nd for Smith

The Bulls have been a lot better whenever Smith is in the game – no matter the position he is playing. Cleaning the Glass has Smith's efficiency differential sitting at +12.5, which rests inside the 95th percentile. The Bulls' offense is +8.7 points per 100 possessions better, while their defense is -3.8.

I don't object to trade, but I am unsure the other teams want our players.
And we are trading for someone in their expiring, where they need minutes, so make sure there are enough minutes to go around (maybe we don't re-sign Manu?).

After all, I think you need to trade one of the starter. You cannot keep them all with Barrett on his expiring next year, might as well trade Barrett if we are not keeping him.

[WWSRD]

Jrue Holiday, Jalen Green, Jordan Poole, Tyler Herro, Dejounte Murray.........All those guys were traded to dump those contracts to another team after buyer's remorse. except Herro, currently being shopped. Your point did not land well. Those are bad contracts. Your saying IQ is a bad contract like these guys.

Exactly - and you are ignoring that IQ is better than those guys.

But also LOL that Jrue Holiday was "buyers remorse". I am sure MIL and BOS both were very happy with his contributions.

And Jalen was a key component going back for Kevin freaking Durant.

- Marcus Smart ($21M)
- Sexton ($19M)
- Monk ($19M)
- Nembhard ($18M)

Marcus Smart is is on a 5million contract. The 15million is from a buyout, because, once again, no team wanted him at 20million.

Okay? But IQ is better than Smart, so who cares what people thought of Smart at $20?

Sexton, Monk at 20million are more valuable than IQ at 32. If they were all paid the same, IQ would be the most valuable.
Nembhard got overpaid after his playoff run. He's overpaid and worse than IQ. So we can agree on that.

No. Two sides to the floor my guy.

"Wanna know which PGs average 20/9?
- Cade Cunningham"
No....Cade is averaging 26/10.

If you average 26/10 you clear 20/9.

Not a single PG in the league is at 20/9 then by your standards. And yet that is the threshold IQ has to hit to be valuable according to you.


IT IS NOT 2015!!! $32.5M IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY ANYMORE!

- But also LOL that Jrue Holiday was "buyers remorse". I am sure MIL and BOS both were very happy with his contributions.

Yes, at the time. Then he got hurt a lot, lost a step and they shipped him out for an expiring. He was dumped for an expiring. That was his value at the time. You're ignoring time. You want to sign Michael Jordan right now to a max? The bulls were really happy with his contributions.


- Exactly - and you are ignoring that IQ is better than those guys.
You presented those guys as comparable contracts to IQ. I'm saying those are bad contracts. IQ also isn't better than Herro. I don't get your point. Those are all just bad contracts to varying degrees.


- And Jalen was a key component going back for Kevin freaking Durant.
After Durant demanded a trade and had the leverage to make the Suns to trade him to the Rockets. Who, in the dirver's seat only wanted to part with Jalen Green. Did you know why? He hasn't lived up to his contract and was terrible in the playoffs.

- No. Two sides to the floor my guy.
I'm guessing we're not aligned on the quailty of IQ's defence.

- If you average 26/10 you clear 20/9.
Yes, but I'm highlighting the chasm between 26/10 and 20/9.

- Not a single PG in the league is at 20/9 then by your standards. And yet that is the threshold IQ has to hit to be valuable according to you.
You just listed a bunch of PG who do? And valuable @ 32.5million is different than valuable generally.

Your house is nice. You love your house. Your house is worth 2million to you. That's fine. Put it on the market and see what people will pay.
IQ has been on the market for 1+ year and no one is biting. It's not that the house isn't nice, it's that it needs a price reduction.

Very simple.

[WWSRD]

Chalk it up to people not following how high the cap has gone.

Is this a serious conversation?

The cap is at $154.6 million. IQ's at 21% of the cap... and his contract is fixed at that salary, so that proportion will continue to decline over the breadth of his contract.

It's really not that bad at all. His salary is the equivalent of an $8.9 million dollar contract back in the 2001-02 season. Or around what Steve Smith was making for the SPurs that year.

Solid point. 21% of the cap in both cases.

However, Steve Smith at that time was:
A former All-Star. A championship-level starter. A trusted #2 / #3 offensive option on a title contender. Maybe he got overpaid on past production a bit. I don't know. As well, was that viewed as a good contract at the time?

I like IQ. I like high volume 3pt shooting guards but he's not great at running an offence and it would be nice if he developed year-to-year over producing at the same level.

[WWSRD]

If Quick was averaging 23/7 on his current contract, he'd be about $10 mil underpaid compared to his peers

Absolutely wild to suggest "if only IQ was an all-nba player his contract would be worth it".

Chalk it up to people not following how high the cap has gone.

No. I want him to be a 'not quite' all-star to earn the value of his contract. Norman Powell type. A little more efficient. A little more volume.

[WWSRD]

Yes the cap has gone up, there's also essentially a HARD CAP now. It makes roster salary management more important and gives you much less leeway.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Just finished watching last night’s game, IQ was great!

Shead played great def on Curry.
Wish we could have carried out the blow out and get the starters more rest.

[tsherkin]

However, Steve Smith at that time was:
A former All-Star. A championship-level starter. A trusted #2 / #3 offensive option on a title contender. Maybe he got overpaid on past production a bit. I don't know. As well, was that viewed as a good contract at the time?

I like IQ. I like high volume 3pt shooting guards but he's not great at running an offence and it would be nice if he developed year-to-year over producing at the same level.

Steve Smith in 02 was a 32 year-old averaging about 11.5 / 2.5 / 2 in under 29 mpg who had been a 1-time All-Star almost a half-decade prior and had been in visible decline since. That year, he was taking about as many shots per game as old David Robinson, and 19 year-old Tony Parker... and barely more than Antonio Daniels, Malik Rose, or Charles Smith. Smith was an 8.9 FGA/g player that season. His utility had been stepwise declining for several years at that point.

Very much not what you're trying to paint here as far as "trusted #2 or #3."

[WWSRD]

Jason Kidd was payed less than Steve Smith in 2001. Glen Rive and Glen Robinson too.

So, even in 2001, they were giving 21% cap salaries to high level starters with a proven track record.

[tsherkin]

Jason Kidd was payed less than Steve Smith in 2001. Glen Rive and Glen Robinson too.

So, even in 2001, they were giving 21% cap salaries to high level starters with a proven track record.

You'd have to look at the whole breadth of guys given those contracts to have a proper understanding. That was second contract stuff, and Kidd got beyond that on his next deal.

Anyway, I think IQ's salary isn't awful. There's just... people are really into game-to-game tracking, and as I"ve noted before, not really paying a lot of heed to how his variance is baked into the way he's used and plays. He's a 17/4/6 player, he can hit the three, he's got some live-dribble skills. He's valuable, but we have a spread offense, right? 20 years ago, his raw numbers would likely have looked a little different.

[WWSRD]

You guys have shifted my view of the contract a little. It's better than I thought, however, still an overpay IMO. Maybe slight though.

If he gets hot, he can get there though.

[TimeForChange]

I'm shocked that IQ played better next to an actual PG.

I've only been saying that for 2 years now

[tsherkin]

You guys have shifted my view of the contract a little. It's better than I thought, however, still an overpay IMO. Maybe slight though.

If he gets hot, he can get there though.

The important thing is that it isn't a bad contract. It's not an AMAZING contract, but it isn't some killer albatross that some have attempted to paint it, you know?

[MEDIC]

Now it's up to management and the Coaching staff to tinker a bit & make sure they are getting the most out of Quick. It's clear as day that he does better off the ball.

Hopefully they don't keep trying to put a square into a round hole.

[YogurtProducer]

I'm shocked that IQ played better next to an actual PG.

I've only been saying that for 2 years now

This narrative is only 18 hours old and already beyond exhausted.

Just give IQ credit rather than trying to diminish it for whatever (totally not agenda based) reasoning.

[TimeForChange]

I'm shocked that IQ played better next to an actual PG.

I've only been saying that for 2 years now

This narrative is only 18 hours old and already beyond exhausted.

Just give IQ credit rather than trying to diminish it for whatever (totally not agenda based) reasoning.

maybe we can spend 6 months discussing Barnes getting traded like you did all offseason?

[YogurtProducer]

I'm shocked that IQ played better next to an actual PG.

I've only been saying that for 2 years now

This narrative is only 18 hours old and already beyond exhausted.

Just give IQ credit rather than trying to diminish it for whatever (totally not agenda based) reasoning.

maybe we can spend 6 months discussing Barnes getting traded like you did all offseason?

man, go troll elsewhere

[TGM]

If Quick was averaging 23/7 on his current contract, he'd be about $10 mil underpaid compared to his peers

Absolutely wild to suggest "if only IQ was an all-nba player his contract would be worth it".

Chalk it up to people not following how high the cap has gone.

No. I want him to be a 'not quite' all-star to earn the value of his contract. Norman Powell type. A little more efficient. A little more volume.

Norm actually should be an all-star given the way he plays and his efficiency.