PG: Raptors gut out a resilient win

[Clutch0z24]

Just shows you hard it is to find talent in this league. Kings have had so many lottery picks the past two decades. Then you look at teams that tanked but didn’t find any elite talents in the draft. Luckily they were able to acquire their superstars in trades which helped them become relevant again.

Front offices play a part in this....Kings have been one of the worst runned franchises with bad front offices for a really long time now.

If you have a bad front office the on court play will suffer as well....Masai was an elite GM for 10 years and once he won the title our Front office became really bad and lackadisical making multiple blunders which resulted in bad on court product....

Any team that has a good front office (Thunder/Spurs) are prolly going to be contenders for a long time.

OKC/Spurs actually weren’t contenders for a long time. Both were treadmill teams for nearly half a decade. Spurs got lucky three times in the lottery, and we all know what happened with OKC.

I’m glad Masai made the Kawhi trade. It got us a title even though we just had Kawhi for a year. I doubt we win the championship without Gasol, Lowry and Ibaka on the team. Once they all retired or left, it’s hard to replace that talent in a short period of time.

I don’t think the Spurs have won a playoff round in nearly a decade. OKC nearly went that long as well.

Um Spurs/Okc historically have had amazing front offices.....Spurs had a dynasty with multiple titles, OKC while maybe do not have as many titles....They are prolly one of the smallest markets in the entire NBA so for them to even win a title is impressive in itself.

If you are trying to say they do not have elite front offices idk what to tell you. We had an elite front office at one point which resulted in very good draft picks, leading to a once in a life time trade for Kawhi which won....We have been a bad runned team as of late which resulted in bad outcomes. We will see what Bobby does the next few years here.

[OakleyDokely]

That Kings lineup man. They looked at .500 bulls teams and said we need some of that and let's sprinkle in 45 year old Westbrook. Sitting through that as a Kings fan has to be a form of torture.

[YogurtProducer]

Scottie has been averaging like 23/7/6 last 7 games

Crazy that some think Barnes hasn't improved because his PPG is similar to the last 2 years.

Barnes is way better this year than last year. His effort is way more consistent. He has more in his repertoire. He is more in control and has a more measured approach. He can dribble in the paint now. His pullup jumper is money recently. He’s playing like a refined version of rookie Barnes which I think is what we all wanted. The team stopped trying to jerk him into weird roles and is now letting him just play his game.

His performance last year got jerked around a lot just due to the horrible team we had. But he’s playing very similarly to how he was 2 years ago, mostly pre-Siakam trade.

Defensively is where he’s made a huge leap. Offensively IMO he just is being put into better spots now with Ingram, and IQ playing, and guys like Mamu stepping up.

“Way better” is just exaggerating a bit and forgetting that he was better 2 years ago than he was last. I mean, he made an all star game two years ago.

[Duffman100]

That Kings lineup man. They looked at .500 bulls teams and said we need some of that and let's sprinkle in 45 year old Westbrook. Sitting through that as a Kings fan has to be a form of torture.

The perspective is funny. People complain endlessly about us but we're now tied for 3rd in the East

Imagine being a fan of Kings, Wizards etc

[HumbleRen]

That Kings lineup man. They looked at .500 bulls teams and said we need some of that and let's sprinkle in 45 year old Westbrook. Sitting through that as a Kings fan has to be a form of torture.

Westbrook is hardly at fault lol. He’s a minimum contract player that leads them in total rebounds, assists and steals.

They were doomed the moment they got Demar.

[Los_29]

That Kings lineup man. They looked at .500 bulls teams and said we need some of that and let's sprinkle in 45 year old Westbrook. Sitting through that as a Kings fan has to be a form of torture.

The perspective is funny. People complain endlessly about us but we're now tied for 3rd in the East

Imagine being a fan of Kings, Wizards etc

Crazy to think about how open the East is. Knicks don’t look good at all and they were exposed badly in the playoffs.

I think this isn’t the year to go for it due to the age and inexperience of our players. However, we aren’t far away and I wouldn’t be opposed to a bigger deal in the offseason.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

That Kings lineup man. They looked at .500 bulls teams and said we need some of that and let's sprinkle in 45 year old Westbrook. Sitting through that as a Kings fan has to be a form of torture.

The perspective is funny. People complain endlessly about us but we're now tied for 3rd in the East

Imagine being a fan of Kings, Wizards etc

IF your trash, chances are you are trying to be trash to improve lotto chances, or to give your young guys the time to learn on the job and improve while also improving your draft odds. So worrying about the weaknesses that can cost you almost makes no sense. It was said last year that we deliberately tried to lose, Id agree with that to an extent, except as evidenced by us playing a banged up Scottie and getting out tanked when our sched even out, by teams who had been trying to make the post season and just pivoted, some teams were alot more deliberate. Whatever. Now we're trying, and we played Brandon this year, we've had a pretty good schedule so far, weve had some great play from Shead, Mamu's been solid, Scotties been at his best from a leadership perspective all year and now we sit in the top four, and while we may or may not end the season that way, we have a decent chance to avoid the play in. So yes, big improvement - but at the end of the day, Masai wasn't wrong in his first Raps presser, and the play in for what stuff. Im not a championship or nothing guy, but I do see how the new CBA limited the years teams can spend money to tax level before being impacted and having to claw back and were there now and havent even made the playoffs with this group yet. The year before was said to show us how important a center was to the roster - today we're locked into a injured jacob and dont have any other actual C on the roster. We have 4's that can slide over in some match up and get exploited in others. This year apparently was showed us, for one injury anyway - doesn't seem to be the narrative for this injury, how important RJ is. Well, if he's that important and its not about just this year but building, whats the future? Are they going to take this team into the tax when its time to resign RJ? I think we can't expect to win a ring, but I hope we can at least win a round. The things I complain about, despite really enjoying and being engaged this season, are things that put the ceiling on us and self inflicted wounds that like Poeltl that people tip toe around, but really what sets us back more that that blunder? Are we not supposed to notice that we would have been better off to just let IQ be a RFA, and wait on Poeltl? Is that rude to acknowledge? I'm a Raps fan, but in my experience reading puff pieces on Raps does nothing for me if I don't actually believe it.
I also can't help but be skeptical with Darko and the start of the year to run the defense to the strengths of the summer league team, I mean that was ridiculous. That costs us like a handful of games, which if we hadn't we're probably in a better spot to handle harder parts of the schedule and injuries without fear of falling into or out of the play in. Also the East is ripe this year, and will be better next year - So I don't know that you can look at this team and think in has years to grow, its got this year and next...

It is fantastic to see wins this year, to not suck and to be entertained and engaged, full marks for that. But in terms of putting a team together, this team is in its own way. In our own way by having too many guards and not enough point guards, splitting the development time of Walter and Gradey and developing neither while making our best 3 pt shooter watch them from the bench, and shooting our selves in the foot committing to Jacob unnecessarily. I don't think there's an easy way out, I don't want to lump our future assets to just get rid of these contracts and I don't know that we have many takers for them, at any price that would be palatable. I also don't know why a team goes into the tax for Garret Temple? Still don't get it.

How do people think Bobby spends his day? after he watches his buddy Shultz on Flagrant, does he just admire where we are in the standings or does he work his ass off trying to think of how we can improve. I hope he's doing the latter and putting himself through hell trying to fix the mixtakes in order to provide a higher ceiling.

[Boogie!]

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Crazy that some think Barnes hasn't improved because his PPG is similar to the last 2 years.

Barnes is way better this year than last year. His effort is way more consistent. He has more in his repertoire. He is more in control and has a more measured approach. He can dribble in the paint now. His pullup jumper is money recently. He’s playing like a refined version of rookie Barnes which I think is what we all wanted. The team stopped trying to jerk him into weird roles and is now letting him just play his game.

His performance last year got jerked around a lot just due to the horrible team we had. But he’s playing very similarly to how he was 2 years ago, mostly pre-Siakam trade.

Defensively is where he’s made a huge leap. Offensively IMO he just is being put into better spots now with Ingram, and IQ playing, and guys like Mamu stepping up.

“Way better” is just exaggerating a bit and forgetting that he was better 2 years ago than he was last. I mean, he made an all star game two years ago.

Barnes stopped making 3s again and that’s his problem offensively. I’m not sure why he just can’t make it a staple in his game.

[YogurtProducer]

That Kings lineup man. They looked at .500 bulls teams and said we need some of that and let's sprinkle in 45 year old Westbrook. Sitting through that as a Kings fan has to be a form of torture.

Westbrook is hardly at fault lol. He’s a minimum contract player that leads them in total rebounds, assists and steals.

They were doomed the moment they got Demar.

The fact people saw Demar fail time after time and still thought "maybe he won't with us" is wild.

The guy should have been a bench gunner for a contender and experienced some success. Instead he chose to just make an extra few million on top of his $300M+ and be a starter instead of winning 6MOTY or something on a good team.

[JCP11]

That Kings lineup man. They looked at .500 bulls teams and said we need some of that and let's sprinkle in 45 year old Westbrook. Sitting through that as a Kings fan has to be a form of torture.

The perspective is funny. People complain endlessly about us but we're now tied for 3rd in the East

Imagine being a fan of Kings, Wizards etc

IF your trash, chances are you are trying to be trash to improve lotto chances, or to give your young guys the time to learn on the job and improve while also improving your draft odds. So worrying about the weaknesses that can cost you almost makes no sense. It was said last year that we deliberately tried to lose, Id agree with that to an extent, except as evidenced by us playing a banged up Scottie and getting out tanked when our sched even out, by teams who had been trying to make the post season and just pivoted, some teams were alot more deliberate. Whatever. Now we're trying, and we played Brandon this year, we've had a pretty good schedule so far, weve had some great play from Shead, Mamu's been solid, Scotties been at his best from a leadership perspective all year and now we sit in the top four, and while we may or may not end the season that way, we have a decent chance to avoid the play in. So yes, big improvement - but at the end of the day, Masai wasn't wrong in his first Raps presser, and the play in for what stuff. Im not a championship or nothing guy, but I do see how the new CBA limited the years teams can spend money to tax level before being impacted and having to claw back and were there now and havent even made the playoffs with this group yet. The year before was said to show us how important a center was to the roster - today we're locked into a injured jacob and dont have any other actual C on the roster. We have 4's that can slide over in some match up and get exploited in others. This year apparently was showed us, for one injury anyway - doesn't seem to be the narrative for this injury, how important RJ is. Well, if he's that important and its not about just this year but building, whats the future? Are they going to take this team into the tax when its time to resign RJ? I think we can't expect to win a ring, but I hope we can at least win a round. The things I complain about, despite really enjoying and being engaged this season, are things that put the ceiling on us and self inflicted wounds that like Poeltl that people tip toe around, but really what sets us back more that that blunder? Are we not supposed to notice that we would have been better off to just let IQ be a RFA, and wait on Poeltl? Is that rude to acknowledge? I'm a Raps fan, but in my experience reading puff pieces on Raps does nothing for me if I don't actually believe it.
I also can't help but be skeptical with Darko and the start of the year to run the offense to the strengths of the summer league team, I mean that was ridiculous. That costs us like a handful of games, which if we hadn't we're probably in a better spot to handle harder parts of the schedule and injuries without fear of falling into or out of the play in. Also the East is ripe this year, and will be better next year - So I don't know that you can look at this team and think in has years to grow, its got this year and next...

It is fantastic to see wins this year, to not suck and to be entertained and engaged, full marks for that. But in terms of putting a team together, this team is in its own way. In out own way by having too many guards and not enough point guards, splitting the development time of Walter and Gradey and developing no one while making our best 3 pt shooter watch them from the bench, and shooting our selves in the foot committed to Jacob unnecessarily. I don't think there's an easy way out, I dont want to lump our future assets to just get rid of these contracts and I don't know that we have many takers for them, at any price that would be palateable. I also don't know why a team goes into the tax for Garret Temple?

How do people think Bobby spends his day, after he watches his buddy Shultz on Flagrant, does he just admire where we are in the standings or does he work his ass off trying to think of how we can improve. I hope he's doing the latter and putting himself through hell trying to fix the mixtakes in order to provide a higher ceiling.

Why can't you just be a bit patient and enjoy this season for what it is? It's a winning season and an evaluation season. They want to see how pieces mesh together, who can contribute to winning, what the young guys can do with significant minutes, etc. Moves will be made in due time.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

What does "due time" mean when there's a repeater tax and you're an apron team? RJ expires next year, is he important, can we afford to resign him? Its not as simple as we're a lotto team now a playoff team and we'll see how we grow. This is because of the CBA and our payroll. It would be one thing if were were a young lotto team that they young guys improved were making the playoffs and the future is bright. The only two young guys we have that I value are CMB and Shead. And with how much the team committed to Scottie, Brandon, IQ and Poeltl, I wonder if we can even keep them, or where CMB plays, or if we just force him to play out of position as a 5 with us. We've actually been among the healhier teams this year, if Ingram or Scottie was to miss a chunk of time, we could slide down fast.

I'm not going to ignore the trouble spots just because the east is week. Shead was a great pick, CMB was a good pick, Scotties played well, Brandons been as advertized. I have blast in the game threads watching the games, but I can still see the mess ups and they cast a big shadow on the potential for this era to reach anything significant, or just flame out and get torn down and head back to lotto without ever winning a round. Again, on this site I like to play arm chair GM and in that, Im not going to be selling myself on the smell of my own crap, I'm going to try and raise the ceiling and fix mistakes, and try to avoid making them. Accepting overpaying people as the cost of doing business is not sustainable under this CBA. The states are garbage = Toronto is a world class city, franchise and fanbase are among the league best. Overpaying is lazy short cut that limits your future. Its okay to upset some players and not let them start, or play if its not in the teams best interest.

[Jadoogar]

Didn't realize how bad this Kings roster was

They are 12-33....I think they are one of the worst constructed teams in the league.....No young guy to be super excited about and bad vets....

At least the 2026 draft is a stacked one but they will prolly end up messing up the pick some how.

even if by some accident they draft a good player, they will just end up trading him

[ConSarnit]

Just shows you hard it is to find talent in this league. Kings have had so many lottery picks the past two decades. Then you look at teams that tanked but didn’t find any elite talents in the draft. Luckily they were able to acquire their superstars in trades which helped them become relevant again.

Front offices play a part in this....Kings have been one of the worst runned franchises with bad front offices for a really long time now.

If you have a bad front office the on court play will suffer as well....Masai was an elite GM for 10 years and once he won the title our Front office became really bad and lackadisical making multiple blunders which resulted in bad on court product....

Any team that has a good front office (Thunder/Spurs) are prolly going to be contenders for a long time.

OKC/Spurs actually weren’t contenders for a long time. Both were treadmill teams for nearly half a decade. Spurs got lucky three times in the lottery, and we all know what happened with OKC.

I’m glad Masai made the Kawhi trade. It got us a title even though we just had Kawhi for a year. I doubt we win the championship without Gasol, Lowry and Ibaka on the team. Once they all retired or left, it’s hard to replace that talent in a short period of time.

I don’t think the Spurs have won a playoff round in nearly a decade. OKC nearly went that long as well.

Spurs went 7 years without winning a playoff series.

Let’s check in on how the non-tanking, doing it the “right way” Raptors are doing: haven’t won a playoff series in 6 years and there’s no guarantee we win one this year.

Man am I glad we didn’t tank. We would have missed out on all that playoff success this decade.

[Duffman100]

Front offices play a part in this....Kings have been one of the worst runned franchises with bad front offices for a really long time now.

If you have a bad front office the on court play will suffer as well....Masai was an elite GM for 10 years and once he won the title our Front office became really bad and lackadisical making multiple blunders which resulted in bad on court product....

Any team that has a good front office (Thunder/Spurs) are prolly going to be contenders for a long time.

OKC/Spurs actually weren’t contenders for a long time. Both were treadmill teams for nearly half a decade. Spurs got lucky three times in the lottery, and we all know what happened with OKC.

I’m glad Masai made the Kawhi trade. It got us a title even though we just had Kawhi for a year. I doubt we win the championship without Gasol, Lowry and Ibaka on the team. Once they all retired or left, it’s hard to replace that talent in a short period of time.

I don’t think the Spurs have won a playoff round in nearly a decade. OKC nearly went that long as well.

Spurs went 7 years without winning a playoff series.

Let’s check in on how the non-tanking, doing it the “right way” Raptors are doing: haven’t won a playoff series in 6 years and there’s no guarantee we win one this year.

Man am I glad we didn’t tank. We would have missed out on all that playoff success this decade.

The Spurs are a terrible example as always. They got incredibly lucky.

[Indeed]

The perspective is funny. People complain endlessly about us but we're now tied for 3rd in the East

Imagine being a fan of Kings, Wizards etc

IF your trash, chances are you are trying to be trash to improve lotto chances, or to give your young guys the time to learn on the job and improve while also improving your draft odds. So worrying about the weaknesses that can cost you almost makes no sense. It was said last year that we deliberately tried to lose, Id agree with that to an extent, except as evidenced by us playing a banged up Scottie and getting out tanked when our sched even out, by teams who had been trying to make the post season and just pivoted, some teams were alot more deliberate. Whatever. Now we're trying, and we played Brandon this year, we've had a pretty good schedule so far, weve had some great play from Shead, Mamu's been solid, Scotties been at his best from a leadership perspective all year and now we sit in the top four, and while we may or may not end the season that way, we have a decent chance to avoid the play in. So yes, big improvement - but at the end of the day, Masai wasn't wrong in his first Raps presser, and the play in for what stuff. Im not a championship or nothing guy, but I do see how the new CBA limited the years teams can spend money to tax level before being impacted and having to claw back and were there now and havent even made the playoffs with this group yet. The year before was said to show us how important a center was to the roster - today we're locked into a injured jacob and dont have any other actual C on the roster. We have 4's that can slide over in some match up and get exploited in others. This year apparently was showed us, for one injury anyway - doesn't seem to be the narrative for this injury, how important RJ is. Well, if he's that important and its not about just this year but building, whats the future? Are they going to take this team into the tax when its time to resign RJ? I think we can't expect to win a ring, but I hope we can at least win a round. The things I complain about, despite really enjoying and being engaged this season, are things that put the ceiling on us and self inflicted wounds that like Poeltl that people tip toe around, but really what sets us back more that that blunder? Are we not supposed to notice that we would have been better off to just let IQ be a RFA, and wait on Poeltl? Is that rude to acknowledge? I'm a Raps fan, but in my experience reading puff pieces on Raps does nothing for me if I don't actually believe it.
I also can't help but be skeptical with Darko and the start of the year to run the offense to the strengths of the summer league team, I mean that was ridiculous. That costs us like a handful of games, which if we hadn't we're probably in a better spot to handle harder parts of the schedule and injuries without fear of falling into or out of the play in. Also the East is ripe this year, and will be better next year - So I don't know that you can look at this team and think in has years to grow, its got this year and next...

It is fantastic to see wins this year, to not suck and to be entertained and engaged, full marks for that. But in terms of putting a team together, this team is in its own way. In out own way by having too many guards and not enough point guards, splitting the development time of Walter and Gradey and developing no one while making our best 3 pt shooter watch them from the bench, and shooting our selves in the foot committed to Jacob unnecessarily. I don't think there's an easy way out, I dont want to lump our future assets to just get rid of these contracts and I don't know that we have many takers for them, at any price that would be palateable. I also don't know why a team goes into the tax for Garret Temple?

How do people think Bobby spends his day, after he watches his buddy Shultz on Flagrant, does he just admire where we are in the standings or does he work his ass off trying to think of how we can improve. I hope he's doing the latter and putting himself through hell trying to fix the mixtakes in order to provide a higher ceiling.

Why can't you just be a bit patient and enjoy this season for what it is? It's a winning season and an evaluation season. They want to see how pieces mesh together, who can contribute to winning, what the young guys can do with significant minutes, etc. Moves will be made in due time.

I dont see anyting wrong from his post. The salary situation is just going to get worse unless we give up asset.

As for his point on our easy schedule, I dont think anyone can argue this. I think we can see how we play the next 10 games against the elites (I assume we will have injuries in those loses).

So far I see we are good against small lineup teams with 4 shooters spacing for Barnes at C, we shall see if that works in the long term.

[OakleyDokely]

That Kings lineup man. They looked at .500 bulls teams and said we need some of that and let's sprinkle in 45 year old Westbrook. Sitting through that as a Kings fan has to be a form of torture.

Westbrook is hardly at fault lol. He’s a minimum contract player that leads them in total rebounds, assists and steals.

They were doomed the moment they got Demar.

Management is at fault for building such a terrible team.

But Westbrook is still as wild and inefficient as ever. He's playing a much bigger role than he should be at this point of his career, which again is a sign of management failure.

[mihaic]

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How do people think Bobby spends his day, after he watches his buddy Shultz on Flagrant, does he just admire where we are in the standings or does he work his ass off trying to think of how we can improve. I hope he's doing the latter and putting himself through hell trying to fix the mixtakes in order to provide a higher ceiling.

There is evidence they are still trying hard to make a big trade. I think it's clear it's the latter. They trying to go for Ja, AD, Sabonis, thet tried Trae too.

It worries me they may go hard after Sabonis. I have seen Darko talking to him and embracing him after the game. His salary is like IQ's: overpaid. Perhaps I am wrong but I think trading for him doesn’t make us much better, and we are stuck with him after, I hope Kings don't like our trade package.

[TheGeneral99]

Just a nice win for us missing 4 key guys.

Barnes has been absolutely fantastic - the game is now slow and easy for him it seems, he is making the right plays. I think he's easily a top 15 player now.

Ingram playing much better within himself, not forcing too much.

Shead I thought ran the game really well and made some great timely passes.

Mamu was great, very aggressive, bailed us out a few times when we needed a bucket.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

IF your trash, chances are you are trying to be trash to improve lotto chances, or to give your young guys the time to learn on the job and improve while also improving your draft odds. So worrying about the weaknesses that can cost you almost makes no sense. It was said last year that we deliberately tried to lose, Id agree with that to an extent, except as evidenced by us playing a banged up Scottie and getting out tanked when our sched even out, by teams who had been trying to make the post season and just pivoted, some teams were alot more deliberate. Whatever. Now we're trying, and we played Brandon this year, we've had a pretty good schedule so far, weve had some great play from Shead, Mamu's been solid, Scotties been at his best from a leadership perspective all year and now we sit in the top four, and while we may or may not end the season that way, we have a decent chance to avoid the play in. So yes, big improvement - but at the end of the day, Masai wasn't wrong in his first Raps presser, and the play in for what stuff. Im not a championship or nothing guy, but I do see how the new CBA limited the years teams can spend money to tax level before being impacted and having to claw back and were there now and havent even made the playoffs with this group yet. The year before was said to show us how important a center was to the roster - today we're locked into a injured jacob and dont have any other actual C on the roster. We have 4's that can slide over in some match up and get exploited in others. This year apparently was showed us, for one injury anyway - doesn't seem to be the narrative for this injury, how important RJ is. Well, if he's that important and its not about just this year but building, whats the future? Are they going to take this team into the tax when its time to resign RJ? I think we can't expect to win a ring, but I hope we can at least win a round. The things I complain about, despite really enjoying and being engaged this season, are things that put the ceiling on us and self inflicted wounds that like Poeltl that people tip toe around, but really what sets us back more that that blunder? Are we not supposed to notice that we would have been better off to just let IQ be a RFA, and wait on Poeltl? Is that rude to acknowledge? I'm a Raps fan, but in my experience reading puff pieces on Raps does nothing for me if I don't actually believe it.
I also can't help but be skeptical with Darko and the start of the year to run the offense to the strengths of the summer league team, I mean that was ridiculous. That costs us like a handful of games, which if we hadn't we're probably in a better spot to handle harder parts of the schedule and injuries without fear of falling into or out of the play in. Also the East is ripe this year, and will be better next year - So I don't know that you can look at this team and think in has years to grow, its got this year and next...

It is fantastic to see wins this year, to not suck and to be entertained and engaged, full marks for that. But in terms of putting a team together, this team is in its own way. In out own way by having too many guards and not enough point guards, splitting the development time of Walter and Gradey and developing no one while making our best 3 pt shooter watch them from the bench, and shooting our selves in the foot committed to Jacob unnecessarily. I don't think there's an easy way out, I dont want to lump our future assets to just get rid of these contracts and I don't know that we have many takers for them, at any price that would be palateable. I also don't know why a team goes into the tax for Garret Temple?

How do people think Bobby spends his day, after he watches his buddy Shultz on Flagrant, does he just admire where we are in the standings or does he work his ass off trying to think of how we can improve. I hope he's doing the latter and putting himself through hell trying to fix the mixtakes in order to provide a higher ceiling.

Why can't you just be a bit patient and enjoy this season for what it is? It's a winning season and an evaluation season. They want to see how pieces mesh together, who can contribute to winning, what the young guys can do with significant minutes, etc. Moves will be made in due time.

I dont see anyting wrong from his post. The salary situation is just going to get worse unless we give up asset.

As for his point on our easy schedule, I dont think anyone can argue this. I think we can see how we play the next 10 games against the elites (I assume we will have injuries in those loses).

So far I see we are good against small lineup teams with 4 shooters spacing for Barnes at C, we shall see if that works in the long term.

I get it, it's different strokes for different folks. We all want the same thing. I do enjoy the season, and want the best for the Raps. I think some people just don't want to look under the hood. Im a hood looker. But even if I annoy you, you need people to also be willing to be constructively critical. It's healthy.

[Duffman100]

Why can't you just be a bit patient and enjoy this season for what it is? It's a winning season and an evaluation season. They want to see how pieces mesh together, who can contribute to winning, what the young guys can do with significant minutes, etc. Moves will be made in due time.

I dont see anyting wrong from his post. The salary situation is just going to get worse unless we give up asset.

As for his point on our easy schedule, I dont think anyone can argue this. I think we can see how we play the next 10 games against the elites (I assume we will have injuries in those loses).

So far I see we are good against small lineup teams with 4 shooters spacing for Barnes at C, we shall see if that works in the long term.

I get it, it's different strokes for different folks. We all want the same thing. I do enjoy the season, and want the best for the Raps. I think some people just don't want to look under the hood. Im a hood looker. But even if I annoy you, you need people to also be willing to be constructively critical. It's healthy.

We're all on the most active and in depth Raptors forum on the internet. Which means the majority of us are diehard NBA fans. We're all looking under the hood, not just you.

The disagreement comes with looking under the hood with an of optimism or pessimism.