Cameron Boozer

[greenOakX]

Boozer's BPM has ridiculously risen to 18.1. He is 1 great games from breaking Zion's BPM at least temporarily.

At some point, we are going to have to forget everything about Dybantsa and Peterson as level of historic BPM indicates way too much skill + feel in combination. All your eye test and skill tests don't matter. The stat is way too overwhelming at some point.

Agree with the statement in general, but seeing as Peterson has a nearly as ridiculous 16 BPM, I'm not going to forget about him.

Remember that Peterson didn't play in a lot of the early season games against cupcakes that Boozer feasted on.

Quality of competition isn't a good argument against Boozer. BPM from barttorvik:

Overall: 18.7
Conference Play: 18.6
Vs Top 100: 17.7
Vs Top 50: 17.2

Compare this to DP:

Overall: 14.2
Conference Play: 11.6
Vs Top 100: 12.8
Vs Top 50: 13.8

[tontoz]

Agree with the statement in general, but seeing as Peterson has a nearly as ridiculous 16 BPM, I'm not going to forget about him.

Remember that Peterson didn't play in a lot of the early season games against cupcakes that Boozer feasted on.

Quality of competition isn't a good argument against Boozer. BPM from barttorvik:

Overall: 18.7
Conference Play: 18.6
Vs Top 100: 17.7
Vs Top 50: 17.2

Compare this to DP:

Overall: 14.2
Conference Play: 11.6
Vs Top 100: 12.8
Vs Top 50: 13.8

I haven't seen Peterson have statpadding games in blowouts. I've seen that several times from Boozer. He dropped 35 against Indiana State. Have they done anything since Bird left?

My big concern with Boozer is defense. I've seen teams deliberately target him because of his slow feet and lack of rim protection.

[ezhkw8u69e]

Remember that Peterson didn't play in a lot of the early season games against cupcakes that Boozer feasted on.

Quality of competition isn't a good argument against Boozer. BPM from barttorvik:

Overall: 18.7
Conference Play: 18.6
Vs Top 100: 17.7
Vs Top 50: 17.2

Compare this to DP:

Overall: 14.2
Conference Play: 11.6
Vs Top 100: 12.8
Vs Top 50: 13.8

I haven't seen Peterson have statpadding games in blowouts. I've seen that several times from Boozer. He dropped 35 against Indiana State. Have they done anything since Bird left?

My big concern with Boozer is defense. I've seen teams deliberately target him because of his slow feet and lack of rim protection.

Don’t denigrate Jake LaRavia’s alma mater.

[greenOakX]

Remember that Peterson didn't play in a lot of the early season games against cupcakes that Boozer feasted on.

Quality of competition isn't a good argument against Boozer. BPM from barttorvik:

Overall: 18.7
Conference Play: 18.6
Vs Top 100: 17.7
Vs Top 50: 17.2

Compare this to DP:

Overall: 14.2
Conference Play: 11.6
Vs Top 100: 12.8
Vs Top 50: 13.8

I haven't seen Peterson have statpadding games in blowouts. I've seen that several times from Boozer. He dropped 35 against Indiana State. Have they done anything since Bird left?

My big concern with Boozer is defense. I've seen teams deliberately target him because of his slow feet and lack of rim protection.

Quit shifting the goalposts. You implied the difference in Boozer's and Peterson's BPM could be explained by quality of competition - it can't. As for 'stat padding' - players tend to have good games against bad teams - it's not a Boozer thing. Boozer played 29 min in the Indiana St. game. AJ Dybantsa had a 30-point triple double playing 36 mins in a 28 point blowout against Abeline Christian. AJ must really be stat padding. DP doesn't have a game like that because he's playing less minutes and because Kansas isn't blowing out teams very often.

That being said, your 'statpadding' accusations are clearly not in good faith so I see no reason to engage with you further in this thread.

[tontoz]

Quality of competition isn't a good argument against Boozer. BPM from barttorvik:

Overall: 18.7
Conference Play: 18.6
Vs Top 100: 17.7
Vs Top 50: 17.2

Compare this to DP:

Overall: 14.2
Conference Play: 11.6
Vs Top 100: 12.8
Vs Top 50: 13.8

I haven't seen Peterson have statpadding games in blowouts. I've seen that several times from Boozer. He dropped 35 against Indiana State. Have they done anything since Bird left?

My big concern with Boozer is defense. I've seen teams deliberately target him because of his slow feet and lack of rim protection.

Quit shifting the goalposts. You implied the difference in Boozer's and Peterson's BPM could be explained by quality of competition - it can't. As for 'stat padding' - players tend to have good games against bad teams - it's not a Boozer thing. Boozer played 29 min in the Indiana St. game. AJ Dybantsa had a 30-point triple double playing 36 mins in a 28 point blowout against Abeline Christian. AJ must really be stat padding. DP doesn't have a game like that because he's playing less minutes and because Kansas isn't blowing out teams very often.

That being said, your 'statpadding' accusations are clearly not in good faith so I see no reason to engage with you further in this thread.

I didn't even mention BPM in my initial post but I'm not surprised you just ignore Boozer's statpadding in blowouts.

AJ only has one game like that. Boozer has several. Peterson has none.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Best Freshman Seasons ever by BPM:

1. Cam Boozer 20.4 (19 Games)
2. Zion Williamson 20.1
3. Anthony Davis 17.24
4. Cooper Flagg 16.35
5. Darryn Peterson 16.0 (10 Games)
6. Chet Holmgren 15.0
7. Karl Anthony-Towns 14.3
8. Evan Mobley 13.7
9. AJ Dybansta 12.7 (19 Games)
10. Brandon Miller 12.0
11. Lonzo Ball 12.0
12. Joel Embiid 11.9

[Xanadu]

People are still trying to align what they have seen to understand this guy. Stop it his skill set and development have created a one of one type player who defies expectations. His unique blend of skills are so intriguing to me. Starting to love all doubters as well despite him doing literally everything possible basketball wise to solidify his historical dominance. Just because it doesn't look like what you think it should doesn't make any less of fact. See people are using his unique style as negative because of fit concerns. But rather its that unseen style which makes him impactful no matter the situation. His game is far more malleable than people recognize. Also think he is type of rebounder who can immediately make poor rebounding team top ten just by himself. His ability to box out and seemingly know before the shooter where the miss will be is almost supernatural.

[babyjax13]

Best Freshman Seasons ever by BPM:

1. Cam Boozer 20.4 (19 Games)
2. Zion Williamson 20.1
3. Anthony Davis 17.24
4. Cooper Flagg 16.35
5. Darryn Peterson 16.0 (10 Games)
6. Chet Holmgren 15.0
7. Karl Anthony-Towns 14.3
8. Evan Mobley 13.7
9. AJ Dybansta 12.7 (19 Games)
10. Brandon Miller 12.0
11. Lonzo Ball 12.0
12. Joel Embiid 11.9

Nutty Freshman class. Ii am assuming this is bartorvik. Sports Reference has Flemings at 14.5, Wilson at 14.0, Wagler at 12.7, and Acuff at 9.9. If this is Sportsreference BPM, though, that means the addition of a few games has displaced Miller, Ball, and Wmbiid in the top 12 and now 4 of the top 10 Freshman seasons, as of today, are from Freshman this season.

[King Ken]

Best Freshman Seasons ever by BPM:

1. Cam Boozer 20.4 (19 Games)
2. Zion Williamson 20.1
3. Anthony Davis 17.24
4. Cooper Flagg 16.35
5. Darryn Peterson 16.0 (10 Games)
6. Chet Holmgren 15.0
7. Karl Anthony-Towns 14.3
8. Evan Mobley 13.7
9. AJ Dybansta 12.7 (19 Games)
10. Brandon Miller 12.0
11. Lonzo Ball 12.0
12. Joel Embiid 11.9

Flemings has a 14.5 and Wilson with a 14

[FarBeyondDriven]

BPM, like most advanced stats, is nearly meaningless. If you're ever in a debate with someone about players and they pull out advanced stats, know you've won, laugh, and walk away.

[ReggiesKnicks]

BPM, like most advanced stats, is nearly meaningless. If you're ever in a debate with someone about players and they pull out advanced stats, know you've won, laugh, and walk away.

There is a correlation between BPM and success.

To say BPM is meaningless shows how little you truly know.

Like EPM, BPM is a data point in assessing a players overall impact footprint.

There is a reason the NBA leaderboard in BPM is littered with who you and I think are the best players in the NBA near the Top.

[CptCrunch]

BPM, like most advanced stats, is nearly meaningless. If you're ever in a debate with someone about players and they pull out advanced stats, know you've won, laugh, and walk away.

There is a correlation between BPM and success.

To say BPM is meaningless shows how little you truly know.

Like EPM, BPM is a data point in assessing a players overall impact footprint.

There is a reason the NBA leaderboard in BPM is littered with who you and I think are the best players in the NBA near the Top.

This, BPM isn't the end all be all. Until/unless someone releases a new publicly available aggregator one number stat (which I assume some NBA teams must have devised with their analytics department), it's simply denial to suggest BPM is useless when you look at the list of high BPM freshman. All of them are NBA players; most are all-stars.

[Chuck Everett]

So what do you do with a guy like Boozer, who clearly is too good for college basketball? Again, his consistency is what makes me marvel at the kid. With the way the NBA is now and all of these "non-athlete" athletes are excelling, I just find it hard to believe he won't carve out a lane at the NBA level that is really good. Here's hoping he ends up in the Eastern Conference (Brooklyn or Washington preferred).

[tontoz]

Early in the season I was worried about his finishing inside against guys he couldn't bully. Since then he has shown more craftiness finishing, including a lot with his left. I also like the always he passes quickly out of double team.

Still have concerns about his defense though.

[clyde21]

Boozer is Paolo. He's gonna be good from day one, at least on the stat sheet. It's the ceiling/scalability of his archetype that's the issue.

[CptCrunch]

More fundamental misunderstandings, players don't fail because of archetypes or archetype imposed ceilings. They fail because of lack of yearly development.

You can have players like Andrew Wiggins, Josh Jackson, Cam Reddish with godly tools and perfect archetypes. They just don't get better. Underrating of skills is what separates good draft projection from circle jerk scouting here.

[greenOakX]

Boozer is Paolo. He's gonna be good from day one, at least on the stat sheet. It's the ceiling/scalability of his archetype that's the issue.

Boozer and Paolo have some stylistic similarities, but Boozer is just so much better than Paolo. Here are their college stats (Since college offense has exploded in the last few years, I'll even era-adjust Paolo's offensive numebrs)

(Paolo vs Boozer)
BPM: 7.1 vs 18.7
TS: 57.9 vs 67.0
ORB%: 6.5 vs 12.4
DRB%: 19.1 vs 21.5
AST%: 19.6 vs 26.7
TOV%: 14.9 vs 13.4
BLK%: 2.7 vs 2.2
STL%: 1.9 vs 3.1
Draft Age: 19.65 vs 18.97

I'm generally a believer that any archetype can work if you're good enough.

[tontoz]

I don't buy the Paolo comparison either. That's what some would call a ' complexion comparison ' that isn't based on their games.

[RookieStar]

How is Boozer Paolo?

They aren't the same height or body-type.
Their games aren't the same.

[tmorgan]

I’m still worried about his slow feet in the NBA, but he’s gonna be productive. When your fairly reasonable floor is Sabonis, you’re going to be very useful.

I’ll give it more time, but he’s creeping up. Never going to get past second, though. DP is my guy.