and now with the mariners' getting bedard, the wildcard will be very competitive....
tigers/indians and angels/mariners....
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oh wow lol, maybe one of the most stupid posts i've read in a while.
1.) Let me just make things clear, I dont like the yankees and I damn sure don't like their fans.
2.) The yankees have made the playoffs, how many straight years, uhhh like 14 or something? I'm pretty sure they will contiue to do so, they are one of the elite teams in baseball and the greatest sports franchise of all time.
3.) Uhhh. your backing up my point that the red sox have power pitchers.
4.) Glavine and Maddux are rare exceptions. Both were 2 of the best pitchers in their era and let's not forget the Braves still have one of the best power pitchers who pitched with them in, Smoltzie.
5.) My point is basically that power pitchers are so damn important. Here's an example,it's a clutch moment in the game, say the bases are loaded and there are crutial runs on bases, what do you want? A soft tosser, hoping for contact or someone who can rev it back and throw 96+? Power pitchers are just so important in my opinion when it comes to the playoffs, and I'm thankful we have 2 good ones, maine and perez. Both whom had great playoff runs with us because of their strikeout abilities. Soft tossers are fine if your an artist and one of the great pitchers of all time like Maddux but I'd take a pettite, sheets, zambrano, oswalt over a wang, Derek Lowe, etc every time.
6.) Jeter's defense is average at this point, not that he was special at anytime before but obviously your range will go as you get older unless your Omar vizquel.
7.) I still take Mo over anyone if I need a big save, he's good for at least 3 more years especially since he'll be used less. The yankees arent stupid, they will protect Rivera's arm. Silly Wanger on the other hand is a clown. I'd easily take mo over that fool who hasnt gotten a big save in his life.
8.) The yankees bullpen is obviously weak but i'm sure if they have 2 dominant arms, they will take that every time. I also like that skinny robinson cano looking dude with the nice changeup, vera has a good arm, ahwkins is ok. It's definitely a weakness for them.
9.) rotation of wang, pettite, hughes, kennnedy, mussina. i'll take my chances with them especially hughes. I watched the rangers game he pitched, the guy is flat out amazing. his stuff is off the charts, and he had a big time performance in this past years playoffs, he's going to be dominant. He could very well pitch 200 innings with a sub 4 ERA this season.
10.) I rate them, Utley, Cano and then Phillips. Upton will likely play OF but your forgetting STUDS. Howie kendrick, Dustin Pedroia, Ian kinsler(*drools*), dan uggla, rickie weeks and Kelly johnson who's damn good. Brian roberts is another one, im missing more but those are all damn good ball players.
11.) It's the yankees, the yankees have no window. THey have the most money, they can go out next year and sig a big time FA like Mark Teixiera(hope we get him) and they have a great minor league system, though mostly pitching Austin Jackson has star potential and we all know about tabata. They have ARod for the rest of his career, and he wont decrease in production for a LONG time. This isnt basketball or football man, the wear and tear in baseball is no where next to those sports, that's why a lot of baseball players IE: Alou can play into their 40s and still rake.
12.) truthfully, anyone could use Johan santana. I think out of the only 3 teams that could net santana,we need them the most because our competition in the NL is so close together. Anyone of the big 3 in over division can win it, and adding a player the calibur of johan, could put us over the top for our division. The yankees are likely going to make the playoffs again this year, hell they were terrible to start the year last year but all of a sudden, they come out of no where and make the playoffs.
oh wow lol, maybe one of the most stupid posts i've read in a while.
1.) Let me just make things clear, I dont like the yankees and I damn sure don't like their fans.
2.) The yankees have made the playoffs, how many straight years, uhhh like 14 or something? I'm pretty sure they will contiue to do so, they are one of the elite teams in baseball and the greatest sports franchise of all time.
3.) Uhhh. your backing up my point that the red sox have power pitchers.
4.) Glavine and Maddux are rare exceptions. Both were 2 of the best pitchers in their era and let's not forget the Braves still have one of the best power pitchers who pitched with them in, Smoltzie.
5.) My point is basically that power pitchers are so damn important. Here's an example,it's a clutch moment in the game, say the bases are loaded and there are crutial runs on bases, what do you want? A soft tosser, hoping for contact or someone who can rev it back and throw 96+? Power pitchers are just so important in my opinion when it comes to the playoffs, and I'm thankful we have 2 good ones, maine and perez. Both whom had great playoff runs with us because of their strikeout abilities. Soft tossers are fine if your an artist and one of the great pitchers of all time like Maddux but I'd take a pettite, sheets, zambrano, oswalt over a wang, Derek Lowe, etc every time.
6.) Jeter's defense is average at this point, not that he was special at anytime before but obviously your range will go as you get older unless your Omar vizquel.
7.) I still take Mo over anyone if I need a big save, he's good for at least 3 more years especially since he'll be used less. The yankees arent stupid, they will protect Rivera's arm. Silly Wanger on the other hand is a clown. I'd easily take mo over that fool who hasnt gotten a big save in his life.
8.) The yankees bullpen is obviously weak but i'm sure if they have 2 dominant arms, they will take that every time. I also like that skinny robinson cano looking dude with the nice changeup, vera has a good arm, ahwkins is ok. It's definitely a weakness for them.
9.) rotation of wang, pettite, hughes, kennnedy, mussina. i'll take my chances with them especially hughes. I watched the rangers game he pitched, the guy is flat out amazing. his stuff is off the charts, and he had a big time performance in this past years playoffs, he's going to be dominant. He could very well pitch 200 innings with a sub 4 ERA this season.
10.) I rate them, Utley, Cano and then Phillips. Upton will likely play OF but your forgetting STUDS. Howie kendrick, Dustin Pedroia, Ian kinsler(*drools*), dan uggla, rickie weeks and Kelly johnson who's damn good. Brian roberts is another one, im missing more but those are all damn good ball players.
11.) It's the yankees, the yankees have no window. THey have the most money, they can go out next year and sig a big time FA like Mark Teixiera(hope we get him) and they have a great minor league system, though mostly pitching Austin Jackson has star potential and we all know about tabata. They have ARod for the rest of his career, and he wont decrease in production for a LONG time. This isnt basketball or football man, the wear and tear in baseball is no where next to those sports, that's why a lot of baseball players IE: Alou can play into their 40s and still rake.
12.) truthfully, anyone could use Johan santana. I think out of the only 3 teams that could net santana,we need them the most because our competition in the NL is so close together. Anyone of the big 3 in over division can win it, and adding a player the calibur of johan, could put us over the top for our division. The yankees are likely going to make the playoffs again this year, hell they were terrible to start the year last year but all of a sudden, they come out of no where and make the playoffs.
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Chris Paul / Patrick Beverley / Shamorie Ponds
Buddy Hield / Timothy Luwawu / Stanley Johnson
Kendrick Nunn / Matisse Thybulle / Darius Miller
RJ Barrett / Kyle Kuzma / Dwayne Bacon
DeAndre Jordan / Kenrich Williams / DJ Wilson
Chris Paul / Patrick Beverley / Shamorie Ponds
Buddy Hield / Timothy Luwawu / Stanley Johnson
Kendrick Nunn / Matisse Thybulle / Darius Miller
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DeAndre Jordan / Kenrich Williams / DJ Wilson
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randomhero423 wrote:and now with the mariners' getting bedard, the wildcard will be very competitive....
tigers/indians and angels/mariners....
They have a tough 1-2 but then there is a dropoff, that is pretty big. Their bullpen is **** wicked though.
BAF Suns
Chris Paul / Patrick Beverley / Shamorie Ponds
Buddy Hield / Timothy Luwawu / Stanley Johnson
Kendrick Nunn / Matisse Thybulle / Darius Miller
RJ Barrett / Kyle Kuzma / Dwayne Bacon
DeAndre Jordan / Kenrich Williams / DJ Wilson
Chris Paul / Patrick Beverley / Shamorie Ponds
Buddy Hield / Timothy Luwawu / Stanley Johnson
Kendrick Nunn / Matisse Thybulle / Darius Miller
RJ Barrett / Kyle Kuzma / Dwayne Bacon
DeAndre Jordan / Kenrich Williams / DJ Wilson
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Not to change the subject, but on to more important issues (we'll take care of the skankees later):
So, here's the rotation:
1. Santana
2. Pedro
3. Maine
4. Perez
5. ???
If Duaner is healthy (and he seems to be) and he returns to his set-up 8th inning role, I'd like to give Aaron Heilman a shot he's been requesting at the 5th spot in the rotation. When he competed in spring training for the last spot in the rotation a couple years ago (he lost out to Bannister even though he pitched better than him) he outstanding.
Pelfrey is simply not ready yet. He only has one pitch right now, so he may be better suited for the bullpen until he develops a second and third pitch.
El Duque has broken each of the last two year in August/September when we needed him. I'd put him in the bull pen/spot starter.
I'd offer free agent Kyle Lohse a 2 year, low risk, deal if he was interested, but not more than that.
I wouldn't sign Livan. His ERA was almost 5.00 last year and, while he eats innings, his numbers have steadily declined each of the last 4 years.
So with Pelfrey, Feliciano, Sosa, Schoe, Smith and El Duque, I think the bullpen will be fine. It's time to give Heilman the shot he deserves.
So, here's the rotation:
1. Santana
2. Pedro
3. Maine
4. Perez
5. ???
If Duaner is healthy (and he seems to be) and he returns to his set-up 8th inning role, I'd like to give Aaron Heilman a shot he's been requesting at the 5th spot in the rotation. When he competed in spring training for the last spot in the rotation a couple years ago (he lost out to Bannister even though he pitched better than him) he outstanding.
Pelfrey is simply not ready yet. He only has one pitch right now, so he may be better suited for the bullpen until he develops a second and third pitch.
El Duque has broken each of the last two year in August/September when we needed him. I'd put him in the bull pen/spot starter.
I'd offer free agent Kyle Lohse a 2 year, low risk, deal if he was interested, but not more than that.
I wouldn't sign Livan. His ERA was almost 5.00 last year and, while he eats innings, his numbers have steadily declined each of the last 4 years.
So with Pelfrey, Feliciano, Sosa, Schoe, Smith and El Duque, I think the bullpen will be fine. It's time to give Heilman the shot he deserves.
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mets87 wrote:uh, what's heilman's 3rd pitch? the slider he hasn't thrown in over 2 years?
He throws a 2 seam, a 4 seam and a changeup.
BAF Suns
Chris Paul / Patrick Beverley / Shamorie Ponds
Buddy Hield / Timothy Luwawu / Stanley Johnson
Kendrick Nunn / Matisse Thybulle / Darius Miller
RJ Barrett / Kyle Kuzma / Dwayne Bacon
DeAndre Jordan / Kenrich Williams / DJ Wilson
Chris Paul / Patrick Beverley / Shamorie Ponds
Buddy Hield / Timothy Luwawu / Stanley Johnson
Kendrick Nunn / Matisse Thybulle / Darius Miller
RJ Barrett / Kyle Kuzma / Dwayne Bacon
DeAndre Jordan / Kenrich Williams / DJ Wilson
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Wingy22 wrote:Not to change the subject, but on to more important issues (we'll take care of the skankees later):
So, here's the rotation:
1. Santana
2. Pedro
3. Maine
4. Perez
5. ???
If Duaner is healthy (and he seems to be) and he returns to his set-up 8th inning role, I'd like to give Aaron Heilman a shot he's been requesting at the 5th spot in the rotation. When he competed in spring training for the last spot in the rotation a couple years ago (he lost out to Bannister even though he pitched better than him) he outstanding.
Pelfrey is simply not ready yet. He only has one pitch right now, so he may be better suited for the bullpen until he develops a second and third pitch.
El Duque has broken each of the last two year in August/September when we needed him. I'd put him in the bull pen/spot starter.
I'd offer free agent Kyle Lohse a 2 year, low risk, deal if he was interested, but not more than that.
I wouldn't sign Livan. His ERA was almost 5.00 last year and, while he eats innings, his numbers have steadily declined each of the last 4 years.
So with Pelfrey, Feliciano, Sosa, Schoe, Smith and El Duque, I think the bullpen will be fine. It's time to give Heilman the shot he deserves.
I think we should give the 5th spot to Pelfrey. Its his time now to show us his guts. Rain or shine this guy should get at least the first half. Enough tugging him around between being a spot starter, triple A, second half starter, possible relief guy. Lets see what hes made of, he should be ready now... its his time to stick it to every one who was down on him last year.
El Duque could be a great guy out of the bullpen for 2-3 innings, especially on the days Pedro pitches and Pelfrey. I like the idea of him being our long guy out of the pen with extra responsibilities. Hes the consummate professional who has seen it all, done it all, and still can do it at the bigs. We'll be preserving his body and probably his baseball life if he can accept his role as a bullpen guy. He is not going to ever pitch 200 innings anymore...
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I'm not as down as most guys are on Pelfrey. Hes got a big body and a big fastball. If he could ever learn to consistently throw his fastball for a strike and keep it low, with his sinker, he can be a great pitcher ala Webb/Wang.
Hes so damn young you cant give up on him yet. If he fails, hes still so young that he can go back to triple A, readjust and give it another shot. At worst, hes a powerarm out of the bullpen for us. guys.. hes not 28 with injury issues and the guy who has great "stuff" but cant keep it together. He still has a bright future, we just need to figure out how to harness his abilities as a starting pitcher.