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Re: Building the Bulls 2026-2027 Season 

Post#101 » by Guru » Sat Feb 21, 2026 1:30 pm

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Denver doesn't have any first round picks they can give up. They could do swaps and maybe some 2nds, but is that worth it? Not really.


They can give up any first round pick they draft.


Then we can do that trade on or after the draft. Right now it's at #25.

If the Bulls get the Portland pick I wouldn't do this trade, but if not then I'd consider it.

Also, is Zeke's contract (7.4 million the next two years) enough to help Denver re-sign Watson? If not, then I bet they won't trade him (along with their pick).


I think they'd still go over but they would essentially save that money x2?
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Re: Building the Bulls 2026-2027 Season 

Post#102 » by Guru » Sat Feb 21, 2026 1:43 pm

Pwill played a lot last game, to many's dismay. But that's not a tradeable player at this point. And we have him for 3 more years. It makes as much sense to try to salvage him into a rotational player as anything. And he played well. He was a steadying force in a sea of players running around, making bad passes. i would have been in favor of seeing him sit, but I think with that level of investment, playing him is logical.
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Re: Building the Bulls 2026-2027 Season 

Post#103 » by Evil_Headband » Sat Feb 21, 2026 2:03 pm

eierluke wrote:We just have to carry around 2 busts (PWill and Essengue)


Why is Essengue a bust?
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Re: Building the Bulls 2026-2027 Season 

Post#104 » by Red Larrivee » Sat Feb 21, 2026 2:09 pm

NecessaryEvil wrote:#1 Bulls land top 4 pick (currently 20 percent chance)
#2 Portland pick conveys (Bulls land 15th/16th)
#3 Jaden Ivey traded draft day for 2027 2nd round pick
#4 32nd pick via N.O (best center available)
#5 56nd pick via Denver (draft and stash overseas)

#6 Simons walks (27 mill expiring)
#7 Sexton walks (19 mill expiring)
#8 Collins re-signed (2 yrs / 20 million)
#9 Yabusele re-signed (2 yrs / 9 million)
#10 Richards re-signed (2 yrs / 10 million)


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Ivey can't be traded on draft day. He's a restricted free agent.
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Re: Building the Bulls 2026-2027 Season 

Post#105 » by MikeDC » Sat Feb 21, 2026 2:52 pm

eierluke wrote:It took AK too long to change direction.
We have to endure beeing hopelessly mediorce way too long.
At least we're now where we should have been 3 years ago: In a good situation.
Our payroll offers a lot of room for maneuvering.
Most of our contracts are very good or at least OK:
- Very good: Giddey, Matas (rookie contract), Jones, Smith
- OK: Dillingham (rookie contract), Okoro
We just have to carry around 2 busts (PWill and Essengue)

Even though it still hurts a little bit I evaluate trading Coby and Ayo away as steps into the right direction:
Don't give up this flexibility to sign players who (though valuable) aren't star players.

Most important thing: stick by this plan and don't lose patience now!


See, I disagree. I think you get more flexibility by having valuable players on value contracts. That's what gives you the ability to do a lot of different good things.

From my perspective, our payroll right now isn't very "flexible" because the cap space is basically "use it or lose it" and there is a ton of pressure to "use it" to throw money (orders of more magnitude more than we'd have paid Coby and Ayo) at non-stars, and to spend it on guys we don't even actually have a place for (Dillingham, or Sexton, for example).

Smith will be expiring next year. He's probably the guy we could have gotten the most value for trading.
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Re: Building the Bulls 2026-2027 Season 

Post#106 » by sco » Sat Feb 21, 2026 2:57 pm

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eierluke wrote:It took AK too long to change direction.
We have to endure beeing hopelessly mediorce way too long.
At least we're now where we should have been 3 years ago: In a good situation.
Our payroll offers a lot of room for maneuvering.
Most of our contracts are very good or at least OK:
- Very good: Giddey, Matas (rookie contract), Jones, Smith
- OK: Dillingham (rookie contract), Okoro
We just have to carry around 2 busts (PWill and Essengue)

Even though it still hurts a little bit I evaluate trading Coby and Ayo away as steps into the right direction:
Don't give up this flexibility to sign players who (though valuable) aren't star players.

Most important thing: stick by this plan and don't lose patience now!


See, I disagree. I think you get more flexibility by having valuable players on value contracts. That's what gives you the ability to do a lot of different good things.

From my perspective, our payroll right now isn't very "flexible" because the cap space is basically "use it or lose it" and there is a ton of pressure to "use it" to throw money (orders of more magnitude more than we'd have paid Coby and Ayo) at non-stars, and to spend it on guys we don't even actually have a place for (Dillingham, or Sexton, for example).

Smith will be expiring next year. He's probably the guy we could have gotten the most value for trading.

It's a fair point for both Smith and Jones. I'm rooting for the Bulls signing both guys to sub-MLE extensions this offseason to maintain their value. On your point though, I don't think either guy's value has gotten up to protected 1st. Unless and until that changes, I'd rather keep both guys than get 12 2nd round picks or more Jaden Ivey's or Dillingham's.
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Re: Building the Bulls 2026-2027 Season 

Post#107 » by sco » Sat Feb 21, 2026 3:03 pm

Beyond my prior Watson "swing for the fences" move, I'm thinking we need to find one or two solid (cheap) vets to help our young guys develop. Looking at the UFA's, https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/available/_/year/2026/type/ufa , guys like Achiuwa, Jeff Green, Kevin Love and Bruce Brown (I'd say Javonte Green, but we know he'd bump Matas to the bench under Billy).
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Re: Building the Bulls 2026-2027 Season 

Post#108 » by eierluke » Sat Feb 21, 2026 3:09 pm

MikeDC wrote:
eierluke wrote:It took AK too long to change direction.
We have to endure beeing hopelessly mediorce way too long.
At least we're now where we should have been 3 years ago: In a good situation.
Our payroll offers a lot of room for maneuvering.
Most of our contracts are very good or at least OK:
- Very good: Giddey, Matas (rookie contract), Jones, Smith
- OK: Dillingham (rookie contract), Okoro
We just have to carry around 2 busts (PWill and Essengue)

Even though it still hurts a little bit I evaluate trading Coby and Ayo away as steps into the right direction:
Don't give up this flexibility to sign players who (though valuable) aren't star players.

Most important thing: stick by this plan and don't lose patience now!


See, I disagree. I think you get more flexibility by having valuable players on value contracts. That's what gives you the ability to do a lot of different good things.

From my perspective, our payroll right now isn't very "flexible" because the cap space is basically "use it or lose it" and there is a ton of pressure to "use it" to throw money (orders of more magnitude more than we'd have paid Coby and Ayo) at non-stars, and to spend it on guys we don't even actually have a place for (Dillingham, or Sexton, for example).

Smith will be expiring next year. He's probably the guy we could have gotten the most value for trading.

You might be right to some degree, but investing much Money into players that won't bring us to the next Level Nor will Bring US valuable 1st rd pick via trade would be risky. Such Guys will Further reduce the next Tank high Lotto Pick to a mid 1st Pick - by playing good.
I tend to believe that our Situation hast changed and that WE should use our cap space by try to Help Out other Teams ( getting picks in Return) that WE Further should Go for a high Pick in our own (Bad record) until WE might be respectable enough in 2027 to use our cap space to lure big time free agents
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Re: Building the Bulls 2026-2027 Season 

Post#109 » by Hangtime84 » Sat Feb 21, 2026 3:20 pm

Evil_Headband wrote:
eierluke wrote:We just have to carry around 2 busts (PWill and Essengue)


Why is Essengue a bust?

Project player raw just missed entire rookie season. He was looking like 3 years away. Now 4 years away potentially longer as a consistent starter.

He is just should be consider a traditional role player
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If the Bulls do, you would be complaining to much to ever hear it.


NBA fan logic we need to trade one of two best players because (Player X) one needs to shine more.
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Re: Building the Bulls 2026-2027 Season 

Post#110 » by Evil_Headband » Sat Feb 21, 2026 3:30 pm

Hangtime84 wrote:
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eierluke wrote:We just have to carry around 2 busts (PWill and Essengue)


Why is Essengue a bust?

Project player raw just missed entire rookie season. He was looking like 3 years away. Now 4 years away potentially longer as a consistent starter.

He is just should be consider a traditional role player


I disagree that this can be reasonably predicted at this point in his career. But thanks for answering.
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Re: Building the Bulls 2026-2027 Season 

Post#111 » by MikeDC » Sat Feb 21, 2026 3:40 pm

eierluke wrote:
MikeDC wrote:
eierluke wrote:It took AK too long to change direction.
We have to endure beeing hopelessly mediorce way too long.
At least we're now where we should have been 3 years ago: In a good situation.
Our payroll offers a lot of room for maneuvering.
Most of our contracts are very good or at least OK:
- Very good: Giddey, Matas (rookie contract), Jones, Smith
- OK: Dillingham (rookie contract), Okoro
We just have to carry around 2 busts (PWill and Essengue)

Even though it still hurts a little bit I evaluate trading Coby and Ayo away as steps into the right direction:
Don't give up this flexibility to sign players who (though valuable) aren't star players.

Most important thing: stick by this plan and don't lose patience now!


See, I disagree. I think you get more flexibility by having valuable players on value contracts. That's what gives you the ability to do a lot of different good things.

From my perspective, our payroll right now isn't very "flexible" because the cap space is basically "use it or lose it" and there is a ton of pressure to "use it" to throw money (orders of more magnitude more than we'd have paid Coby and Ayo) at non-stars, and to spend it on guys we don't even actually have a place for (Dillingham, or Sexton, for example).

Smith will be expiring next year. He's probably the guy we could have gotten the most value for trading.

You might be right to some degree, but investing much Money into players that won't bring us to the next Level Nor will Bring US valuable 1st rd pick via trade would be risky.


That's the thing about the Bulls though, is that they can't keep their priorities straight. If they didn't view Coby, for example, as part of the core, then they should have traded him when they were offered 2 firsts for him over the summer. Not getting them was entirely a matter of choice. Likewise, I think if they had just shut him down and re-signed him, then the window to trade him would have opened up again in a year.

When I think about the risk of a contract, what I'm thinking about is if they pay a guy too much or too long, or he gets permanently injured. In the cases of Ayo and Coby, those didn't seem likely. Yes, if you sign him to a 4 year deal, you might have to wait a year before you can move him again because teams don't like taking on what they see as long term deals. But the easiest way to avoid that was to not offer a 4 year deal. The market for smallish guards isn't very good. It was a buyer's market. So buy and hold.

What seems like the bigger risk is simply that the Bulls can't stick to a decision. They identify guys as part of their core, then watch the guy gut through an injury and get skittish because... why? What changed, except the guy being hurt? Nothing really. The Bulls just flip flop around changing strategies. That's what makes everything risky, but it's totally within their control.

Such Guys will Further reduce the next Tank high Lotto Pick to a mid 1st Pick - by playing good.


Again, I look at it and think, wait, Coby was legitimately injured. Charlotte wants to play him but isn't. Back on the rare occasion they mentioned anything, it was said that Ayo was playing with two sprained thumbs. They could have just said, "hey guys, sit out, you're hurt. You've been good soldiers and we'll take care of you in free agency" Then they tank, get a higher pick, and have better players to go around the high pick, and signed to reasonable deals.

I tend to believe that our Situation hast changed and that WE should use our cap space by try to Help Out other Teams ( getting picks in Return) that WE Further should Go for a high Pick in our own (Bad record) until WE might be respectable enough in 2027 to use our cap space to lure big time free agents


Agreed, that was also my preferred strategy, but it looks like there are enough teams with cap space this summer and fewer bad contracts around that we might not be able to do that.
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Re: Building the Bulls 2026-2027 Season 

Post#112 » by NecessaryEvil » Sat Feb 21, 2026 3:43 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:#1 Bulls land top 4 pick (currently 20 percent chance)
#2 Portland pick conveys (Bulls land 15th/16th)
#3 Jaden Ivey traded draft day for 2027 2nd round pick
#4 32nd pick via N.O (best center available)
#5 56nd pick via Denver (draft and stash overseas)

#6 Simons walks (27 mill expiring)
#7 Sexton walks (19 mill expiring)
#8 Collins re-signed (2 yrs / 20 million)
#9 Yabusele re-signed (2 yrs / 9 million)
#10 Richards re-signed (2 yrs / 10 million)


[[tbc]]


Ivey can't be traded on draft day. He's a restricted free agent.


Ahh thx red
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Re: Building the Bulls 2026-2027 Season 

Post#113 » by eierluke » Sat Feb 21, 2026 3:47 pm

Evil_Headband wrote:
eierluke wrote:We just have to carry around 2 busts (PWill and Essengue)


Why is Essengue a bust?


Injured or not does not matter to me. But when a healthy player prefers to come over for the draft party instead of playing the final game of the national championship series he has written bust all over him. Ask Michael Jordan if that is the attitude that leads to becoming the goat.
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Re: Building the Bulls 2026-2027 Season 

Post#114 » by eierluke » Sat Feb 21, 2026 4:17 pm

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eierluke wrote:
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See, I disagree. I think you get more flexibility by having valuable players on value contracts. That's what gives you the ability to do a lot of different good things.

From my perspective, our payroll right now isn't very "flexible" because the cap space is basically "use it or lose it" and there is a ton of pressure to "use it" to throw money (orders of more magnitude more than we'd have paid Coby and Ayo) at non-stars, and to spend it on guys we don't even actually have a place for (Dillingham, or Sexton, for example).

Smith will be expiring next year. He's probably the guy we could have gotten the most value for trading.

You might be right to some degree, but investing much Money into players that won't bring us to the next Level Nor will Bring US valuable 1st rd pick via trade would be risky.


That's the thing about the Bulls though, is that they can't keep their priorities straight. If they didn't view Coby, for example, as part of the core, then they should have traded him when they were offered 2 firsts for him over the summer. Not getting them was entirely a matter of choice. Likewise, I think if they had just shut him down and re-signed him, then the window to trade him would have opened up again in a year.

When I think about the risk of a contract, what I'm thinking about is if they pay a guy too much or too long, or he gets permanently injured. In the cases of Ayo and Coby, those didn't seem likely. Yes, if you sign him to a 4 year deal, you might have to wait a year before you can move him again because teams don't like taking on what they see as long term deals. But the easiest way to avoid that was to not offer a 4 year deal. The market for smallish guards isn't very good. It was a buyer's market. So buy and hold.

What seems like the bigger risk is simply that the Bulls can't stick to a decision. They identify guys as part of their core, then watch the guy gut through an injury and get skittish because... why? What changed, except the guy being hurt? Nothing really. The Bulls just flip flop around changing strategies. That's what makes everything risky, but it's totally within their control.

Such Guys will Further reduce the next Tank high Lotto Pick to a mid 1st Pick - by playing good.


Again, I look at it and think, wait, Coby was legitimately injured. Charlotte wants to play him but isn't. Back on the rare occasion they mentioned anything, it was said that Ayo was playing with two sprained thumbs. They could have just said, "hey guys, sit out, you're hurt. You've been good soldiers and we'll take care of you in free agency" Then they tank, get a higher pick, and have better players to go around the high pick, and signed to reasonable deals.

I tend to believe that our Situation hast changed and that WE should use our cap space by try to Help Out other Teams ( getting picks in Return) that WE Further should Go for a high Pick in our own (Bad record) until WE might be respectable enough in 2027 to use our cap space to lure big time free agents


Agreed, that was also my preferred strategy, but it looks like there are enough teams with cap space this summer and fewer bad contracts around that we might not be able to do that.


Regarding Coby White: if there is no plan to sign him he should have been traded, by the time he had some value
Regarding Ayo: unfortunately there has never been a point in time when a healthy Ayo could have gotten us a 1st. In this case bad luck, not incompetence
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Re: Building the Bulls 2026-2027 Season 

Post#115 » by sco » Sat Feb 21, 2026 9:06 pm

OK, so lets rank (in terms of who you want, not necessarily who's best) and put your expected deals for "SG" FA's that are potential guys for us in the offseason:

Mine:
Watson (maybe he's a SF, but listing anyway because I want to advance my narrative) 4/$140M
Grimes 4/$60
Ayo 4/$60
Ivey 2/$10
Simons 4/$80
Powell 2/$60
Sexton 4/$60
Thomas 4/$60
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Re: Building the Bulls 2026-2027 Season 

Post#116 » by MrSparkle » Sat Feb 21, 2026 9:57 pm

Man, all AK accomplished was he added some healthy, hard-playing, expiring vets to a roster that should be tanking and developing younger prospects. I don’t even know if the Coby trade should’ve been made. Since AK’s medical staff apparently didn’t realize he was playing through a bad injury, he inadvertently made Charlotte worse. Sexton is going to be a more beneficial player for the next 2 months (while CHA might end up resigning a better future piece Coby on a steep discount, after a summer of recovery). Those 2 SRPs are virtually useless (2031- lol, 5Y from now).

Ivey looks defeated and I hardly see a reason for mutual interest. Even on a big discount… aren’t we tired of injury reclamation projects? The Bulls need to find a starting guard, not lock in their injury reserve guard rotation. Better yet, they created a situation where he can’t even play.

Which leads me to thinking that our next stroke of luck will be winning #1, drafting Darryn, and then watching him on the sidelines for 3Y as the Bulls medical staff works its magic.
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Re: Building the Bulls 2026-2027 Season 

Post#117 » by MikeDC » Sat Feb 21, 2026 10:37 pm

sco wrote:OK, so lets rank (in terms of who you want, not necessarily who's best) and put your expected deals for "SG" FA's that are potential guys for us in the offseason:

Mine:
Watson (maybe he's a SF, but listing anyway because I want to advance my narrative) 4/$140M
Grimes 4/$60
Ayo 4/$60
Ivey 2/$10
Simons 4/$80
Powell 2/$60
Sexton 4/$60
Thomas 4/$60


No offense, but if this is what you're after, your narrative sucks. If those are the choices, I'll take Ivey at 2/$10. FWIW, I think you're high on most of those guys.

Watson is a SG in exactly the same way that Matas is a SG. Which is to say not at all. Signing him would throw this already confused roster into complete chaos. Watson is, literally, a middle-class version of Matas.

That's good, you say? Matas is good!

No. Matas is good, but we already have the problem that he's kind of a tweener and defensively so is Giddey. It makes no sense to add another similar but less good and much more expensive piece like that. In fact, it'd be utterly insane.
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Re: Building the Bulls 2026-2027 Season 

Post#118 » by Dan Z » Sat Feb 21, 2026 11:11 pm

MikeDC wrote:
sco wrote:OK, so lets rank (in terms of who you want, not necessarily who's best) and put your expected deals for "SG" FA's that are potential guys for us in the offseason:

Mine:
Watson (maybe he's a SF, but listing anyway because I want to advance my narrative) 4/$140M
Grimes 4/$60
Ayo 4/$60
Ivey 2/$10
Simons 4/$80
Powell 2/$60
Sexton 4/$60
Thomas 4/$60


No offense, but if this is what you're after, your narrative sucks. If those are the choices, I'll take Ivey at 2/$10. FWIW, I think you're high on most of those guys.

Watson is a SG in exactly the same way that Matas is a SG. Which is to say not at all. Signing him would throw this already confused roster into complete chaos. Watson is, literally, a middle-class version of Matas.

That's good, you say? Matas is good!

No. Matas is good, but we already have the problem that he's kind of a tweener and defensively so is Giddey. It makes no sense to add another similar but less good and much more expensive piece like that. In fact, it'd be utterly insane.
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I don't know enough about Watson, but if his best position is small forward then I agree with you.

I think Grimes could be an interesting signing depending on the cost and I doubt AK will re-sign Ayo. If he intended on doing that then why trade him?

I wish AK would do what he can to acquire picks and build through the draft. Instead of overpaying a free agent (or two) maybe it's best to just draft a few players and develop them. Then use the cap space another time....?
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Re: Building the Bulls 2026-2027 Season 

Post#119 » by Primo Movement » Sun Feb 22, 2026 5:20 am

I just dont see Watson as SG - he is more SF, we have Matas there,so.. Watson will be misfit here, unless Bulls are convinced he can play PF with 6'8 size or Matas is future PF?! But he seems 4-5 years away from that.

We have soo much cap space, we really have to use it right and smart.
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Re: Building the Bulls 2026-2027 Season 

Post#120 » by ChiTownHero1992 » Sun Feb 22, 2026 5:57 am

Dan Z wrote:
MikeDC wrote:
sco wrote:OK, so lets rank (in terms of who you want, not necessarily who's best) and put your expected deals for "SG" FA's that are potential guys for us in the offseason:

Mine:
Watson (maybe he's a SF, but listing anyway because I want to advance my narrative) 4/$140M
Grimes 4/$60
Ayo 4/$60
Ivey 2/$10
Simons 4/$80
Powell 2/$60
Sexton 4/$60
Thomas 4/$60


No offense, but if this is what you're after, your narrative sucks. If those are the choices, I'll take Ivey at 2/$10. FWIW, I think you're high on most of those guys.

Watson is a SG in exactly the same way that Matas is a SG. Which is to say not at all. Signing him would throw this already confused roster into complete chaos. Watson is, literally, a middle-class version of Matas.

That's good, you say? Matas is good!

No. Matas is good, but we already have the problem that he's kind of a tweener and defensively so is Giddey. It makes no sense to add another similar but less good and much more expensive piece like that. In fact, it'd be utterly insane.
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I don't know enough about Watson, but if his best position is small forward then I agree with you.

I think Grimes could be an interesting signing depending on the cost and I doubt AK will re-sign Ayo. If he intended on doing that then why trade him?

I wish AK would do what he can to acquire picks and build through the draft. Instead of overpaying a free agent (or two) maybe it's best to just draft a few players and develop them. Then use the cap space another time....?


I give it better odds we sign LeBron Jame then we sign Ayo at this point...hell i'm near giving better odds at signing Michael Jordan at 60+ than signing Ayo....

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