Cameron Boozer

[vincecarter4pres]

I'd be pretty scared to draft this guy. He is just so ground bound, without quick twitch athleticism. My early impressions of Caleb Wilson are much more favourable.

I think anywhere at 5 or lower the ceiling and likey fat stats for trade value outweigh the risks, but yeah, no way I’m taking him over Peterson, Wilson, AJ and Flemings and a guy like Burries is much more intriguing to me as well.

Even see the case for Wagler, but personally would take Boozer in that spot first.

As crazy as this will sound to some, can even see looking back 4 or 5 years from now and saying should have taken Philon or Acuff or someone like that before Booz. Again, for me at this moment, 6 is my personal floor for him, but he definitely scares me.

[King Ken]

Boozer is a lot better than ya'll give him credit for. Both him and Wagler are clearly better to me than Wilson. Wilson specs aren't impressive and if he's Shawn Kemp with elite mentals and work ethic. Is that even a top 10 player at any stage of his career in the NBA? Flemings is more intriguing and he's essentially a modern Kevin Johnson which is tremendous as KJ played under the worst PG rules ever in the 90s. In today's extremely PG friendly era, he would go bonkers.

[vincecarter4pres]

Boozer is a lot better than ya'll give him credit for.

College production-wise? Sure.

But the rest is projection at the NBA level and the case that both(Wagler) won’t become stars is a very realistic scenario.

Wilson specs aren't impressive and if he's Shawn Kemp with elite mentals and work ethic. Is that even a top 10 player at any stage of his career in the NBA?

That is pretty much a perennial MVP candidate, or at worst the best “role player star” in the league, like a prime Horford or Ginobili.

Flemings is more intriguing and he's essentially a modern Kevin Johnson which is tremendous as KJ played under the worst PG rules ever in the 90s. In today's extremely PG friendly era, he would go bonkers.

I’m a big Flemings fan, so you don’t have to convince me that he has huge upside.

Personally still have Wilson ahead of him though.

[ezhkw8u69e]

Boozer is a lot better than ya'll give him credit for. Both him and Wagler are clearly better to me than Wilson. Wilson specs aren't impressive and if he's Shawn Kemp with elite mentals and work ethic. Is that even a top 10 player at any stage of his career in the NBA? Flemings is more intriguing and he's essentially a modern Kevin Johnson which is tremendous as KJ played under the worst PG rules ever in the 90s. In today's extremely PG friendly era, he would go bonkers.

I thought most of us have Boozer > Wilson?

[King Ken]

Boozer is a lot better than ya'll give him credit for.

College production-wise? Sure.

But the rest is projection at the NBA level and the case that both(Wagler) won’t become stars is a very realistic scenario.

Wilson specs aren't impressive and if he's Shawn Kemp with elite mentals and work ethic. Is that even a top 10 player at any stage of his career in the NBA?

That is pretty much a perennial MVP candidate, or at worst the best “role player star” in the league, like a prime Horford or Ginobili.

Flemings is more intriguing and he's essentially a modern Kevin Johnson which is tremendous as KJ played under the worst PG rules ever in the 90s. In today's extremely PG friendly era, he would go bonkers.

I’m a big Flemings fan, so you don’t have to convince me that he has huge upside.

Personally still have Wilson ahead of him though.

Wagler and Boozer will likely be stars. Possibly superstars. For sure elite offensive players.

I never saw Shawn Kemp in that light and I loved the Reign Man

[vincecarter4pres]

Boozer is a lot better than ya'll give him credit for.

College production-wise? Sure.

But the rest is projection at the NBA level and the case that both(Wagler) won’t become stars is a very realistic scenario.

Wilson specs aren't impressive and if he's Shawn Kemp with elite mentals and work ethic. Is that even a top 10 player at any stage of his career in the NBA?

That is pretty much a perennial MVP candidate, or at worst the best “role player star” in the league, like a prime Horford or Ginobili.

Flemings is more intriguing and he's essentially a modern Kevin Johnson which is tremendous as KJ played under the worst PG rules ever in the 90s. In today's extremely PG friendly era, he would go bonkers.

I’m a big Flemings fan, so you don’t have to convince me that he has huge upside.

Personally still have Wilson ahead of him though.

Wagler and Boozer will likely be stars. Possibly superstars. For sure elite offensive players.

I never saw Shawn Kemp in that light and I loved the Reign Man

But you said Shawn Kemp with elite mentals and work ethic.

Shawn Kemp was a star even though he was lazy, a little crazy and with substance abuse issues.

You have that kind of physical profile, early skillset, athleticism and add much better bbiq, work ethic, drive and just overall elite mental and sky’s the limit.

[King Ken]

College production-wise? Sure.

But the rest is projection at the NBA level and the case that both(Wagler) won’t become stars is a very realistic scenario.



That is pretty much a perennial MVP candidate, or at worst the best “role player star” in the league, like a prime Horford or Ginobili.


I’m a big Flemings fan, so you don’t have to convince me that he has huge upside.

Personally still have Wilson ahead of him though.

Wagler and Boozer will likely be stars. Possibly superstars. For sure elite offensive players.

I never saw Shawn Kemp in that light and I loved the Reign Man

But you said Shawn Kemp with elite mentals and work ethic.

Shawn Kemp was a star even though he was lazy, a little crazy and with substance abuse issues.

You have that kind of physical profile, early skillset, athleticism and add much better bbiq, work ethic, drive and just overall elite mental and sky’s the limit.

I never saw Kemp with elite work ethic being top 10. I just saw him as pretty good player but I never saw a top 10 player even with the what ifs being the other way.

[Caneman786]

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Tonight on ESPN, at 6:30 PM Eastern Time will be the marquee matchup of college basketball's regular season.

The #1 ranked Michigan Wolverines will visit the #3 ranked Duke Blue Devils.

Michigan is 25-1 on the season and leads the Big Ten in conference play, having gone 15-1.

Duke is 24-2 on the season and leads the ACC in conference play as well, having gone 13-1.

In tonight's matchup, high draft picks abound will take the floor. Here's a summary with ESPN Analytics' Aggregate Draft Rankings:

DUKE

#2 PROSPECT - 6' 9", 250 lbs. - Freshman Forward CAMERON BOOZER
#18 PROSPECT - 6' 11", 250 lbs. - Sophomore Center PATRICK NGONGBA II
#34 PROSPECT - 6' 6", 180 lbs. - Sophomore Guard / Forward ISAIAH EVANS
#49 PROSPECT - 6' 8", 190 lbs. - Freshman Guard / Forward DAME SARR
#89 PROSPECT - 6' 4", 205 lbs. - Freshman Guard CAYDEN BOOZER
#91 PROSPECT - 6' 9", 225 lbs. - Senior Forward MALIQ BROWN
#155 PROSPECT - 6' 8", 215 lbs. - Freshman Guard / Forward NIKOLAS KHAMENIA

MICHIGAN

#8 PROSPECT - 6' 9", 240 lbs. - Senior Forward YAXEL LENDEBORG
#24 PROSPECT - 6' 9", 250 lbs. - Sophomore Forward MOREZ JOHNSON JR.
#30 PROSPECT - 7' 3", 255 lbs. - Junior Center ADAY MARA
#137 PROSPECT - 6' 8", 190 lbs. - Freshman Guard TREY MCKENNEY

Of interest here is the matchup between forwards Cameron Boozer and Yaxel Lendeborg. Statistically, they have been the two top players of college basketball:

On College Basketball Reference's BPM, Boozer is #1 with +19.4 (OBPM +13.1, DBPM +6.3) and Lendeborg is #2 with +16.6 (OBPM +9.2, DBPM +7.4).

On Bart Torvik's BPM, Boozer is #1 with +17.9 and Lendeborg is #2 with +15.1.

On Evan Miya's BPR, Boozer is #1 with +13.71 (OBPR +8.99, DBPR +4.72) and Lendeborg is #2 with +13.07 (OBPR +7.62, DBPR +5.46).

On Hoop-Explorer's Luck-adjusted RAPM, Boozer is #1 with +15.1 (Offensive +10.3, Defensive +4.8) and Lendeborg is #2 with +14.7 (Offensive +9.1, Defensive +5.6).

Tonight's matchup may have some implications for the NPOY race, especially if Yaxel has a statement game.

[Benjammin]

He's very skilled but is so floor bound.

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[CptCrunch]

I want to see Boozer's athletic testing tbh.

I want to know if he has 30+ standing vert.

Boozer literally doesn't like to elevate when playing basketball. I can't imagine he is that unauthentic being the son of a pretty damn good NBA player. His play is glued to the floor.

[RookieStar]

I want to see Boozer's athletic testing tbh.

I want to know if he has 30+ standing vert.

Boozer literally doesn't like to elevate when playing basketball. I can't imagine he is that unauthentic being the son of a pretty damn good NBA player. His play is glued to the floor.

Thats one way of preventing injuries....lol

[Benjammin]

I want to see Boozer's athletic testing tbh.

I want to know if he has 30+ standing vert.

Boozer literally doesn't like to elevate when playing basketball. I can't imagine he is that unauthentic being the son of a pretty damn good NBA player. His play is glued to the floor.

I'm sure you meant unathletic rather than unauthentic fwiw.

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[tmorgan]

First, congrats to Duke for a great win. Amazing team defense.

Second, my best friend went to the game in DC. I didn’t ask him, but he knows how big a pro basketball fan I am. Unprompted, he told we what I thought already — Boozer is just painfully slow on defense, and really methodical on offense. Not that he won’t be a good NBA player, necessarily, but the upside is limited because he just doesn’t move well enough.

If you’re satisfied with a smaller Sabonis with more range, he’s a fine pick. But you aren’t going to get a star out of the pick.

[Upperclass]

Wouldnt draft him over AJ but he should go #2 depending on who's at that slot.. Dude looks massive on the floor and has skill and IQ to match.. I also wouldnt be surprised if he starts dunking like prime Blake Griffin in the league.. he seems to play an economical game in college but clearly has plus athleticism when needed.

[Caneman786]

UPDATE: Boozer's all around game shines in the 68-63 win over Michigan. He recorded 18 points, 10 rebounds (4 offensive), 7 assists (with only 1 turnover), and 2 blocks in 33 minutes. He shot 5/8 from 2-point range, 1/2 from downtown, and 5/7 from the charity stripe. He was a team-high +9.

While early on, he got into foul trouble, having 4 fouls, he came back with 4 minutes left and rattled off 7 straight points for Duke to seal the win.

Yaxel Lendeborg had 21 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, and 2 blocks in his 38 minutes, and was -3 in those minutes.

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Tonight on ESPN, at 6:30 PM Eastern Time will be the marquee matchup of college basketball's regular season.

The #1 ranked Michigan Wolverines will visit the #3 ranked Duke Blue Devils.

Michigan is 25-1 on the season and leads the Big Ten in conference play, having gone 15-1.

Duke is 24-2 on the season and leads the ACC in conference play as well, having gone 13-1.

In tonight's matchup, high draft picks abound will take the floor. Here's a summary with ESPN Analytics' Aggregate Draft Rankings:

DUKE

#2 PROSPECT - 6' 9", 250 lbs. - Freshman Forward CAMERON BOOZER
#18 PROSPECT - 6' 11", 250 lbs. - Sophomore Center PATRICK NGONGBA II
#34 PROSPECT - 6' 6", 180 lbs. - Sophomore Guard / Forward ISAIAH EVANS
#49 PROSPECT - 6' 8", 190 lbs. - Freshman Guard / Forward DAME SARR
#89 PROSPECT - 6' 4", 205 lbs. - Freshman Guard CAYDEN BOOZER
#91 PROSPECT - 6' 9", 225 lbs. - Senior Forward MALIQ BROWN
#155 PROSPECT - 6' 8", 215 lbs. - Freshman Guard / Forward NIKOLAS KHAMENIA

MICHIGAN

#8 PROSPECT - 6' 9", 240 lbs. - Senior Forward YAXEL LENDEBORG
#24 PROSPECT - 6' 9", 250 lbs. - Sophomore Forward MOREZ JOHNSON JR.
#30 PROSPECT - 7' 3", 255 lbs. - Junior Center ADAY MARA
#137 PROSPECT - 6' 8", 190 lbs. - Freshman Guard TREY MCKENNEY

Of interest here is the matchup between forwards Cameron Boozer and Yaxel Lendeborg. Statistically, they have been the two top players of college basketball:

On College Basketball Reference's BPM, Boozer is #1 with +19.4 (OBPM +13.1, DBPM +6.3) and Lendeborg is #2 with +16.6 (OBPM +9.2, DBPM +7.4).

On Bart Torvik's BPM, Boozer is #1 with +17.9 and Lendeborg is #2 with +15.1.

On Evan Miya's BPR, Boozer is #1 with +13.71 (OBPR +8.99, DBPR +4.72) and Lendeborg is #2 with +13.07 (OBPR +7.62, DBPR +5.46).

On Hoop-Explorer's Luck-adjusted RAPM, Boozer is #1 with +15.1 (Offensive +10.3, Defensive +4.8) and Lendeborg is #2 with +14.7 (Offensive +9.1, Defensive +5.6).

Tonight's matchup may have some implications for the NPOY race, especially if Yaxel has a statement game.

[RookieStar]

First, congrats to Duke for a great win. Amazing team defense.

Second, my best friend went to the game in DC. I didn’t ask him, but he knows how big a pro basketball fan I am. Unprompted, he told we what I thought already — Boozer is just painfully slow on defense, and really methodical on offense. Not that he won’t be a good NBA player, necessarily, but the upside is limited because he just doesn’t move well enough.

If you’re satisfied with a smaller Sabonis with more range, he’s a fine pick. But you aren’t going to get a star out of the pick.

Rather than play bad D... or was he doing it because of foul trouble and Duke learning fromthe UNC gane what happens to thier front court if Cam sits...

[tmorgan]

Wouldnt draft him over AJ but he should go #2 depending on who's at that slot.. Dude looks massive on the floor and has skill and IQ to match.. I also wouldnt be surprised if he starts dunking like prime Blake Griffin in the league.. he seems to play an economical game in college but clearly has plus athleticism when needed.

Clearly has plus athleticism, you say? I mean, this isn’t a discussion to be had I guess. I see apple, you see screwdriver.

[Benjammin]

It would be amazing if somehow Cam has been hiding his athleticism throughout this season. It's much more likely that Peterson will turn it up a notch in the NBA. Give me AJ and Peterson and potentially Caleb Wilson over Cam. On the flip side, if you're picking fourth your decision is easy.

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[Duke4life831]

He is who I thought he is. Before the season started I thought he was the favorite to win NPOY. He’s going to go down as one of the greatest US prep basketball players in the last 30-40 years. 2x high school POY, U-16 World Cup MVP, U-17 World Cup MVP, and now well on his way to college POY.

I love watching him play for Duke. He immediately put himself in that Flagg/Zion/AD/KD tier of freshman.

With all that said, I think he’s a horrific fit in the NBA. He’s the classic power forward. 6’8-6’9 just flat out bruiser, big time on the glass. The issue is, that archetype has been extinct for about a decade now. He’s not big enough, long enough, or athletic enough to play small ball 5. And his feet are just flat out slow, where you’re not going to be wanting him defending NBA perimeter athletes out in space. Then on offense yes he can step out and hit the 3, but the vast majority of his scoring comes with the old school bruiser low post game.

Now with that said, if there would be one player like this that could break the mold in the NBA (or reintroduce it). It would be Boozer. Because he does have the ability to step out and hit the 3, while also can facilitate at a pretty high level. And the dude is just so damn solid, consistent, and so damn productive.

My issue with taking him top 5 is, what happens if he doesn’t create his own archetype? What if his low post bully ball doesn’t translate or is too slow of an offense for today’s game for a coach to let him be the offensive hub? With the defensive issue and having zero defensive positional versatility. If he doesn’t become a star, does he get relegated to the offensive big off the bench, like a Bobby Portis (role and minutes, not exact play style). I don’t see much middle ground between star offensive hub and offensive big off the bench for his build and athleticism.

[Marvin Martian]

Weird that we're talking about Boozer's lack of hops when Sengun plays the exact same brand of basketball and is considered a star.

And compared to Sengun, Boozer is a far better shooter. He should be fine at PF, because we don't have any real PFs in the league anymore. They are mostly lanky 3 and D SFs where Boozer can use his strength to overpower his matchup.