Hannes Steinbach

[RookieStar]

His offense no doubt belongs in the league... defense though...

[JMAC3]

I think the kid is way underrated and will be a stud.

UW may have the worst guards in the country. Hes being hidden big time.

I’d start him at PF and have him play small ball C. He will dominate smaller players and outwork guys his size and bigger. Hes sneaky athletic too.

You would start someone at PF day 1 that has made 14 career college threes? I just can't get behind that in the modern game.
For that reason I think he is a skiled 5 who is a great rebounder and has some passing skills.

The nba has moved to muscle. Rebounding is the new superpower. Specifically offensive rebounding. This guy is a wizard at offensive rebounding. Watch full games. He anticipates so well and is always moving for position and where he thinks the ball will be.

Double big lineups are now necessary. I’d start Hannes next to a giant at C and then play him as a small ball 5 too.

As for the college 3s… you got to watch full games. UW has the worst guards in the Big 10. He never touched the ball unless rebounds it. He’s being crazy misused.

Yeah I am high on Steinbach for the most part, I have watched full games. He is a great rebounder, as I mentioned but to me the shooting says he needs to play Center and the rebounding is still just as useful at center.

Also, don't think the NBA is as double big meta as you are making it seem.

Gobert/Naz are really only pair spending major mins together with 654 and that is because Naz shoots a ton of 3s.
Chet/Ihart 466 mins together
Adams/Sengun 315 mins together. -- Sengun/Jabari 1216 mins together.
Ware/Bam 287 mins together
Stewart/Duren have played 273 mins together vs Harris/Duren 734 mpg,
Towns/Robinson have played 214 mins together.
Wemby/Kornet 84 mins together
Queen/Missi 63 mins together
Jokic/Valanciunas have played 32 mins together
Zubac/Lopez 26 mins together

While teams like Atl, Brooklyn, Boston, Cha, Dallas, Indy, GSW, Magic, Lakers, Philly, Phx, Port, Toronto and the rest simply don't use double bigs at all.

Examples: Nets have played Sharpe and Claxton together 3 mins.
Charlotte Kalk/Moussa together 8 mins.
Embiid and Drummond 6 mins together
Clingan/Williams 5 mins together.

I would say if you want to be really nice 6 teams are using double bigs and that is extremely generous I think reality is 2-3 teams use it as so called main lineup. That is including Cleveland.

So yeah I think drafting Hannes to play PF so you can play double big 400 mins per season is a bad decision.

[Chi town]

Knicks with KAT and Mitch
Cavs with Allen and Mobley

I think Hannes is much more an advantage at PF at 6’11 220. Think he’s heavier than that and plays stronger than 220. I don’t draft him to play double bigs I draft him because I think he will be a top 3 player on a contender and fringe all star with a high floor. I’d play him 20 mins per game at PF and 10-12 MPG at C based on matchups.

In the league spacing and guards that pass will open up his game a lot. I think you will see him develop into a 4-5 3s per game guy.

[JMAC3]

Knicks with KAT and Mitch
Cavs with Allen and Mobley

I think Hannes is much more an advantage at PF at 6’11 220. Think he’s heavier than that and plays stronger than 220. I don’t draft him to play double bigs I draft him because I think he will be a top 3 player on a contender and fringe all star with a high floor. I’d play him 20 mins per game at PF and 10-12 MPG at C based on matchups.

In the league spacing and guards that pass will open up his game a lot. I think you will see him develop into a 4-5 3s per game guy.

Yeah Kat and Mitch have played 214 mins together this year.
KAT has played over 1600 mins

So 13% of the time KAT is on the floor in a double big lineup.

Drafting two bigs to start next to each other is just a bad idea. Especially when neither big shoots as well as KAT.

[BigGargamel]

I like Steinbach, but agree that he wouldn't be good on a team with another non-shooter. Like Memphis, would be a waste. But I also think he could develop a nice jump shot in time. I think he'd be a great fit on Chicago.

[RookieStar]

Can Hannes work with a non-defensive big?

As a starter, can you pair him with Lauri, KAT , Siakam , Sabonis, Jalen/Kum etc?

[Chi town]

Knicks with KAT and Mitch
Cavs with Allen and Mobley

I think Hannes is much more an advantage at PF at 6’11 220. Think he’s heavier than that and plays stronger than 220. I don’t draft him to play double bigs I draft him because I think he will be a top 3 player on a contender and fringe all star with a high floor. I’d play him 20 mins per game at PF and 10-12 MPG at C based on matchups.

In the league spacing and guards that pass will open up his game a lot. I think you will see him develop into a 4-5 3s per game guy.

Yeah Kat and Mitch have played 214 mins together this year.
KAT has played over 1600 mins

So 13% of the time KAT is on the floor in a double big lineup.

Drafting two bigs to start next to each other is just a bad idea. Especially when neither big shoots as well as KAT.

KAT shot 8 3s as a freshman at Kentucky. Look at him now. Lots of FTs at 81%.

Steinbeck will be shooting plenty of 3s.

I agree you can’t play two bigs that can’t shoot. Jalen Smith shoots well with volume next to him and provides muscle where Smith is light.

I see them both shooting and playing 5 out with pace.

[Chi town]

Can Hannes work with a non-defensive big?

As a starter, can you pair him with Lauri, KAT , Siakam , Sabonis, Jalen/Kum etc?

Ideally he is with a rim protector that can shoot.

[FarBeyondDriven]

I'm not sure why people are worried about his defense when his archetype led by guys like MPJ and Markkanen are killing it. I think he'd be a perfect fit for the Hornets who have seemingly given up on playing defense. Can you imagine Steinbach at the 4 instead of Bridges? Melo-Kon-Miller-Steinbach-Kalkbrenner. Sign me up. Would be great at the 4 for the Celtics as well. He's gotta be off the board anywhere from 8-13. I could see him developing into a 38-40% shooter and he has the positional size and athleticism to be able to not be a defensive liability

[JMAC3]

I'm not sure why people are worried about his defense when his archetype led by guys like MPJ and Markkanen are killing it. I think he'd be a perfect fit for the Hornets who have seemingly given up on playing defense. Can you imagine Steinbach at the 4 instead of Bridges? Melo-Kon-Miller-Steinbach-Kalkbrenner. Sign me up. Would be great at the 4 for the Celtics as well. He's gotta be off the board anywhere from 8-13. I could see him developing into a 38-40% shooter and he has the positional size and athleticism to be able to not be a defensive liability

Hornets are middle of the pack in defensive rating by the way, 17th. Wouldn't call that given up on trying to play to defense.

[RookieStar]

Can Hannes work with a non-defensive big?

As a starter, can you pair him with Lauri, KAT , Siakam , Sabonis, Jalen/Kum etc?

Ideally he is with a rim protector that can shoot.

Oh i know what big goes perfect with him. Problem is... that isnt my question.

Can a team sustain wins with non defensive bigs with him? Or is it a layup drill

[Chi town]

Can Hannes work with a non-defensive big?

As a starter, can you pair him with Lauri, KAT , Siakam , Sabonis, Jalen/Kum etc?

Ideally he is with a rim protector that can shoot.

Oh i know what big goes perfect with him. Problem is... that isnt my question.

Can a team sustain wins with non defensive bigs with him? Or is it a layup drill

I think he will be average on D and a plus rebounder. I don’t think any team can sustain wins without a plus rim protector and one very good POA defender.

[RookieStar]

Ideally he is with a rim protector that can shoot.

Oh i know what big goes perfect with him. Problem is... that isnt my question.

Can a team sustain wins with non defensive bigs with him? Or is it a layup drill

I think he will be average on D and a plus rebounder. I don’t think any team can sustain wins without a plus rim protector and one very good POA defender.

Ok... hard to tell really cuz his team sucks.

[Kalela]

Saw him in two college games and I thought he was good. Definitely an NBA player. Saw him in Germany's teams before that while checking out Reibe and I thought he was good in those games too.

[BlazersBroncos]

If you buy the shot, and I do (I said in another thread, if Bam and OO can build out a 3 Hannes certainly can) then I think he could be a meaner KVH. His movement skills for his size are great. No, he isnt a twitchy vertical athlete but he is super fluid for his size - sorta like Lauri.

I have him in the 8-10 range.

[HMFFL]

If you buy the shot, and I do (I said in another thread, if Bam and OO can build out a 3 Hannes certainly can) then I think he could be a meaner KVH. His movement skills for his size are great. No, he isnt a twitchy vertical athlete but he is super fluid for his size - sorta like Lauri.

I have him in the 8-10 range.

I agree.
He will develop the three ball.
Every team can use this guy. Top 12 pick.

[BlazersBroncos]

If you buy the shot, and I do (I said in another thread, if Bam and OO can build out a 3 Hannes certainly can) then I think he could be a meaner KVH. His movement skills for his size are great. No, he isnt a twitchy vertical athlete but he is super fluid for his size - sorta like Lauri.

I have him in the 8-10 range.

I agree.
He will develop the three ball.
Every team can use this guy. Top 12 pick.

His floor IMO is crazy high too. Even if he literally doesnt develop even 1% from this moment he will still be a quality backup big who rebounds very well, moves well and finishes plays. And that outcome (IE not developing at all) is so insanely unlikely. He is a high floor and high ceiling guy (Not high like a #1 option but very high).

[Chi town]

If you buy the shot, and I do (I said in another thread, if Bam and OO can build out a 3 Hannes certainly can) then I think he could be a meaner KVH. His movement skills for his size are great. No, he isnt a twitchy vertical athlete but he is super fluid for his size - sorta like Lauri.

I have him in the 8-10 range.

I agree.
He will develop the three ball.
Every team can use this guy. Top 12 pick.

His floor IMO is crazy high too. Even if he literally doesnt develop even 1% from this moment he will still be a quality backup big who rebounds very well, moves well and finishes plays. And that outcome (IE not developing at all) is so insanely unlikely. He is a high floor and high ceiling guy (Not high like a #1 option but very high).

This is what I’ve been saying on the Bulls board. High floor and could be a non #1 option high ceiling guy too.

[RipCity71252]

My thoughts haven't really changed on Hannes throughout the year.

Feels like 60% Nikola Vucevic / 40% Cody Zeller

Physically he's in the middle of the two...bigger but a worse athlete than Cody. Better athlete but smaller than Vuc ((little over 3 inch shorter wingspan & standing reach).

Hannes is a weird athlete though in that he struggles to be explosive laterally and out of a back pedal like Vuc, but facing the basket you see a similar level of that unique grab & go / open court athleticism as a big that Cody had. Same reason why the best highlights of him defensively are when he's a weakside shot blocker where he can turn and face and use his strides and 1 foot pop to cover ground.

I think he's likely worse than both defensively though.

Cody was a better athlete/mover that allowed him to play PF defensively early in his career, but as he hit his athletic decline and had to play center more exclusively his value on that end fell off a good bit. Also doesn't quite have the dimensions of Vuc and he was better than Hannes defensively as a freshman.

Offensively he can be like Cody, but with a better shooting. I'd hesitate on projecting him getting to Vuc level though.

He's a fine pick mid-first (I'd slot him more in the 20s). But I struggle to see the high end ceiling and fit on contender level teams in the modern NBA.

[RookieStar]

How does he compare to MoeWagner in MICH?