Caleb Wilson

JMAC3 · Post #201 » by **JMAC3** » Fri Mar 13, 2026 6:18 pm

One play in open space vs Navy of all people isn't selling anyone on a handle that should make a prospect #1 pick.

He is more than likely going to have to play center to start his NBA career unless he has some massive skill jumps over the summer.

MGB8 · Post #202 » by **MGB8** » Sat Mar 14, 2026 1:20 am

JMAC3 wrote:One play in open space vs Navy of all people isn't selling anyone on a handle that should make a prospect #1 pick.

He is more than likely going to have to play center to start his NBA career unless he has some massive skill jumps over the summer.

Lol, Center that is a joke take.

BTW, There are plenty more Wilson drives (including through traffic) if you keep watching the video, including in the 4s vs Michigan State, etc. I’m not going to flag every example for you.

JMAC3 · Post #203 » by **JMAC3** » Sat Mar 14, 2026 2:18 pm

MGB8 wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:One play in open space vs Navy of all people isn't selling anyone on a handle that should make a prospect #1 pick.

He is more than likely going to have to play center to start his NBA career unless he has some massive skill jumps over the summer.

Lol, Center that is a joke take.

BTW, There are plenty more Wilson drives (including through traffic) if you keep watching the video, including in the 4s vs Michigan State, etc. I’m not going to flag every example for you.

Most guys that can't shoot threes in the NBA play functionally on offense as a center yes... this isn't some new hippy dippy thought lol.

If a team does try to force him into playing the 4 year 1 then I suspect he will struggle mightily with the outside shot and be sub 32% from three, where teams will back off and dare him to shoot.

Collin Murray Boyles is playing center for Raptors because of this reason- he is 6-7
Oso Ighodaro plays center now in NBA after people tried selling him as a skilled 4.
Brandon Clarke became a center in the NBA at 6-8
Marvin Bagley became a center
Kai Jones became a center

Maybe Caleb Wilson will go from making 7 threes this year to a guy that makes 2 per game in the NBA as a rookie, but I highly doubt that. More than likely he is going to play center or play with a shooting center where he is playing the screener rim runner role while someone like Sarr or Onyeka Okonwu stands at the three point on offense.

MGB8 · Post #204 » by **MGB8** » Sat Mar 14, 2026 5:55 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
MGB8 wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:One play in open space vs Navy of all people isn't selling anyone on a handle that should make a prospect #1 pick.

He is more than likely going to have to play center to start his NBA career unless he has some massive skill jumps over the summer.

Lol, Center that is a joke take.

BTW, There are plenty more Wilson drives (including through traffic) if you keep watching the video, including in the 4s vs Michigan State, etc. I’m not going to flag every example for you.

Most guys that can't shoot threes in the NBA play functionally on offense as a center yes... this isn't some new hippy dippy thought lol.

If a team does try to force him into playing the 4 year 1 then I suspect he will struggle mightily with the outside shot and be sub 32% from three, where teams will back off and dare him to shoot.

Collin Murray Boyles is playing center for Raptors because of this reason- he is 6-7
Oso Ighodaro plays center now in NBA after people tried selling him as a skilled 4.
Brandon Clarke became a center in the NBA at 6-8
Marvin Bagley became a center
Kai Jones became a center

Maybe Caleb Wilson will go from making 7 threes this year to a guy that makes 2 per game in the NBA as a rookie, but I highly doubt that. More than likely he is going to play center or play with a shooting center where he is playing the screener rim runner role while someone like Sarr or Onyeka Okonwu stands at the three point on offense.

That is dependent on team profile. Jaden McDaniels, playing the 3, has 3.4 3PA per game. Jalen Williams is at 2.5. John Collins at the 4 is at 3.2 attempts. Scottie Barnes is at 3, Gui Santos has 3M and Jimmy Butler had 2.2. GIannis is at 1.3. Zion is at… 0.1. Dyson Daniels at the 2/3 is at 1.5 3PA, and a Kuminga for them is at 2.3.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Wilson credibly gets to around 3 3PA per game if he is playing mid to high 20s in minutes as a rookie. The form isn’t broken so it’s mostly a comfort and repetition issue.

JMAC3 · Post #205 » by **JMAC3** » Sun Mar 15, 2026 1:12 pm

MGB8 wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
MGB8 wrote:

Lol, Center that is a joke take.

BTW, There are plenty more Wilson drives (including through traffic) if you keep watching the video, including in the 4s vs Michigan State, etc. I’m not going to flag every example for you.

Most guys that can't shoot threes in the NBA play functionally on offense as a center yes... this isn't some new hippy dippy thought lol.

If a team does try to force him into playing the 4 year 1 then I suspect he will struggle mightily with the outside shot and be sub 32% from three, where teams will back off and dare him to shoot.

Collin Murray Boyles is playing center for Raptors because of this reason- he is 6-7
Oso Ighodaro plays center now in NBA after people tried selling him as a skilled 4.
Brandon Clarke became a center in the NBA at 6-8
Marvin Bagley became a center
Kai Jones became a center

Maybe Caleb Wilson will go from making 7 threes this year to a guy that makes 2 per game in the NBA as a rookie, but I highly doubt that. More than likely he is going to play center or play with a shooting center where he is playing the screener rim runner role while someone like Sarr or Onyeka Okonwu stands at the three point on offense.

That is dependent on team profile. Jaden McDaniels, playing the 3, has 3.4 3PA per game. Jalen Williams is at 2.5. John Collins at the 4 is at 3.2 attempts. Scottie Barnes is at 3, Gui Santos has 3M and Jimmy Butler had 2.2. GIannis is at 1.3. Zion is at… 0.1. Dyson Daniels at the 2/3 is at 1.5 3PA, and a Kuminga for them is at 2.3.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Wilson credibly gets to around 3 3PA per game if he is playing mid to high 20s in minutes as a rookie. The form isn’t broken so it’s mostly a comfort and repetition issue.

Jaden McDaniels averages 12 ppg yrs 3-6, he isn't an offensive player.
Jalen Williams is a much better shooter, shot 39% from three his last yr in college, shot nearly 5 a game last NBA season.
John Collins averages 14ppg.
Scottie Barnes is a point forward, literally played point guard in college.
Gui Santos is 18 mpg and 7 ppg lol
Dyson Daniels has to play center on offense and Onyeka stands on the perimeter.

Maybe Wilson overcomes it but basically having to be Giannis, Zion, Jimmy Butler to do it feels like a tall task.

JMAC3 · Post #206 » by **JMAC3** » Sun Mar 15, 2026 1:13 pm

Also, I am not the only one saying he has to play center... anyone who is saying put him next to a 3pt shooting big is basically saying without saying he will need to play center.

JMAC3 · Post #207 » by **JMAC3** » Thu Mar 26, 2026 2:35 pm

Read on Twitter

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Marvin Martian · Post #208 » by **Marvin Martian** » Thu Mar 26, 2026 8:14 pm

Stocks are a strong indicator of NBA success, and Caleb's stocks are way better than the top 3 consensus prospects. Comparing him to Bagley is an insult. I wouldn't be surprised if Wilson is the best player from the draft considering that his weaknesses are the easiest to fix.

CptCrunch · Post #209 » by **CptCrunch** » Thu Mar 26, 2026 8:21 pm

Marvin Martian wrote:Stocks are a strong indicator of NBA success, and Caleb's stocks are way better than the top 3 consensus prospects. Comparing him to Bagley is an insult. I wouldn't be surprised if Wilson is the best player from the draft considering that his weaknesses are the easiest to fix.

Getting advanced skill is not easily fixable. All his flaws are fixable, yes but this statement can be made about every raw prospect with athleticism.

Caleb is raw and good, that's why he is so high this year. This does not mean there is a guarantee that he will become polished.

Marvin Martian · Post #210 » by **Marvin Martian** » Thu Mar 26, 2026 8:43 pm

CptCrunch wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:Stocks are a strong indicator of NBA success, and Caleb's stocks are way better than the top 3 consensus prospects. Comparing him to Bagley is an insult. I wouldn't be surprised if Wilson is the best player from the draft considering that his weaknesses are the easiest to fix.

Getting advanced skill is not easily fixable. All his flaws are fixable, yes but this statement can be made about every raw prospect with athleticism.

Caleb is raw and good, that's why he is so high this year. This does not mean there is a guarantee that he will become polished.

Again history is heavily favoring Wilson. His profile isn't much different from a young Siakam or a young Giannis. He should be able to stay on the floor by proving energy and effort defensively (he has the motor to do it), scoring in transition, and then slowly letting his offense develop.

We have plenty of examples of high stock prospects who were raw offensively and then became good or even elite.

We have much fewer examples of players who had low stocks and became good defensive players or even good players in general.

SNPA · Post #211 » by **SNPA** » Fri Mar 27, 2026 1:54 am

JMAC3 wrote:

Read on Twitter
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Kings fan here….hated everything about the Bagley pick. Would love everything about picking Wilson.

JMAC3 · Post #212 » by **JMAC3** » Fri Mar 27, 2026 1:13 pm

Marvin Martian wrote:Stocks are a strong indicator of NBA success, and Caleb's stocks are way better than the top 3 consensus prospects. Comparing him to Bagley is an insult. I wouldn't be surprised if Wilson is the best player from the draft considering that his weaknesses are the easiest to fix.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=caleb-wilson--marvin-bagley

I mean not really. Other than Steals and Blocks they are rather similar.

Not saying they end up the exact same, but as college players there are a lot of similarities and a lot of similarities to how they might have to adjust to the NBA game.

tmorgan · Post #213 » by **tmorgan** » Fri Mar 27, 2026 2:07 pm

Wilson, more than anyone else in the top part of the lottery, is the extreme wildcard in this draft.

I fully understand SNPA’s perspective of wanting him more than anyone for the Kings. I don’t agree, but I get it. There’s quite a few “ifs” involved, but Wilson has an enormous ceiling and seems to have the attitude and motor to start a real rebuild with. Sadly, I think the Kings’ problems are an internal rot in ownership and management that can’t be fixed, but that shouldn’t stop them from trying. I felt the same about my own team five years ago, so miracles do happen. Maybe get Gores to call Ranadive and give him a lesson on not meddling if it isn’t working.

I still have Wilson fourth, but third for the Kings ahead of Boozer.

King Ken · Post #214 » by **King Ken** » Fri Mar 27, 2026 2:12 pm

I loved Bagley as a prospect but the personality and work ethic is light year's apart

Marvin Martian · Post #215 » by **Marvin Martian** » Fri Mar 27, 2026 2:38 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:Stocks are a strong indicator of NBA success, and Caleb's stocks are way better than the top 3 consensus prospects. Comparing him to Bagley is an insult. I wouldn't be surprised if Wilson is the best player from the draft considering that his weaknesses are the easiest to fix.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=caleb-wilson--marvin-bagley

I mean not really. Other than Steals and Blocks they are rather similar.

Not saying they end up the exact same, but as college players there are a lot of similarities and a lot of similarities to how they might have to adjust to the NBA game.

Where is the similarity?

Wilson has close to double the assists (while having less TOs), steals, and blocks than Bagley. Also, Wilson shot way better from the ft line, which is also a good indicator of shooting talent. Bagley shot 62% from the line so it's not surprising that his 40% 3pt shooting was a fluke and didn't translate.

They are nowhere near the same player. Bagley is tweener that can't guard anyone. Wilson is a defensive ace prospect that could guard multiple positions.

JMAC3 · Post #216 » by **JMAC3** » Fri Mar 27, 2026 3:26 pm

Marvin Martian wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:Stocks are a strong indicator of NBA success, and Caleb's stocks are way better than the top 3 consensus prospects. Comparing him to Bagley is an insult. I wouldn't be surprised if Wilson is the best player from the draft considering that his weaknesses are the easiest to fix.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=caleb-wilson--marvin-bagley

I mean not really. Other than Steals and Blocks they are rather similar.

Not saying they end up the exact same, but as college players there are a lot of similarities and a lot of similarities to how they might have to adjust to the NBA game.

Where is the similarity?

Wilson has close to double the assists (while having less TOs), steals, and blocks than Bagley. Also, Wilson shot way better from the ft line, which is also a good indicator of shooting talent. Bagley shot 62% from the line so it's not surprising that his 40% 3pt shooting was a fluke and didn't translate.

They are nowhere near the same player. Bagley is tweener that can't guard anyone. Wilson is a defensive ace prospect that could guard multiple positions.

Pretty similar in every category you didn't mention. So age, size, ppg, rpg, Usg, PER, ORating, Drating, OWS/40, OBPM, Projected NBA3,

Bagley had a higher fg%, higher TS%, higher EFG%, Better 3p%, more 3pta.

but yes please tell me how they are massively different since Bagley averaged 2.2 TO per game and Caleb only averaged 2.1TO. Can you not see how that is some stretch to act like it is worth calling out as a difference in your post lol

Also, you consider they are both kind of tweeners in the NBA since they aren't great shooters but also not really true center size. That was a big reason Bagley wasn't all that great, he didn't end up having the skill to play the 4 and instead become an undersized reserve 5. Bagley wasn't the #2 pick because every one knew he was gonna fail.

If we want to use hindsight that Bagley was trash prospect then sure him and Caleb are nothing alike

Marvin Martian · Post #217 » by **Marvin Martian** » Fri Mar 27, 2026 4:24 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=caleb-wilson--marvin-bagley

I mean not really. Other than Steals and Blocks they are rather similar.

Not saying they end up the exact same, but as college players there are a lot of similarities and a lot of similarities to how they might have to adjust to the NBA game.

Where is the similarity?

Wilson has close to double the assists (while having less TOs), steals, and blocks than Bagley. Also, Wilson shot way better from the ft line, which is also a good indicator of shooting talent. Bagley shot 62% from the line so it's not surprising that his 40% 3pt shooting was a fluke and didn't translate.

They are nowhere near the same player. Bagley is tweener that can't guard anyone. Wilson is a defensive ace prospect that could guard multiple positions.

Pretty similar in every category you didn't mention. So age, size, ppg, rpg, Usg, PER, ORating, Drating, OWS/40, OBPM, Projected NBA3,

Bagley had a higher fg%, higher TS%, higher EFG%, Better 3p%, more 3pta.

but yes please tell me how they are massively different since Bagley averaged 2.2 TO per game and Caleb only averaged 2.1TO. Can you not see how that is some stretch to act like it is worth calling out as a difference in your post lol

Also, you consider they are both kind of tweeners in the NBA since they aren't great shooters but also not really true center size. That was a big reason Bagley wasn't all that great, he didn't end up having the skill to play the 4 and instead become an undersized reserve 5. Bagley wasn't the #2 pick because every one knew he was gonna fail.

If we want to use hindsight that Bagley was trash prospect then sure him and Caleb are nothing alike

Again Bagley shot way worse than Wilson at the ft line which is why his 3 pt shooting didn't translate.

And Wilson averaged almost double the assists of Bagley while averaging the same amount of TOs. That is kind of nuts considering that passing is generally risky and opens the door for more TOs

All the stuff that Bagley was better than Wilson at, can be fixed. The things that Wilson was better than Bagley at, cannot be fixed and are stronger indicators of NBA success.

And it doesn't matter where you play Wilson because unlike Bagley, Wilson is actually an elite athlete.

FrodoBaggins · Post #218 » by **FrodoBaggins** » Fri Mar 27, 2026 6:12 pm

What's his ultimate ceiling, however unlikely? Garnett lite? Chris Bosh on offense, Jermaine O'Neal on defense?

CptCrunch · Post #219 » by **CptCrunch** » Fri Mar 27, 2026 6:58 pm

Bagley wasn't a bad prospect. He just didn't develop well. If you think there was some pre-draft issue to be discovered, it could have been mental makeup.

Caleb isn't that much better than Bagley as a prospect. Just because Bagley failed doesn't mean we need to say the Kings sucked at drafting or it was so obvious. Bagman would have gone top 5 that year no matter what.

Marvin Martian · Post #220 » by **Marvin Martian** » Fri Mar 27, 2026 7:18 pm

CptCrunch wrote:Bagley wasn't a bad prospect. He just didn't develop well. If you think there was some pre-draft issue to be discovered, it could have been mental makeup.

Caleb isn't that much better than Bagley as a prospect. Just because Bagley failed doesn't mean we need to say the Kings sucked at drafting or it was so obvious. Bagman would have gone top 5 that year no matter what.

Bagley had a negative AST/TO ratio, bad stocks, and very bad FT%. What prospect has ever came out of college with those kind of numbers and ended up becoming a good player, let alone a star?

History favors Caleb much more than Bagley