2026 NBA DRAFT CLASS
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Evans is the best 2G in the draft imo.. so we will revisit
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Upperclass wrote:Evans is the best 2G in the draft imo.. so we will revisit
Over Darryn Peterson?
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Caneman786 wrote:Upperclass wrote:Evans is the best 2G in the draft imo.. so we will revisit
Over Darryn Peterson?
Evans is strictly a 2 guard. So I wouldn't put him in the same category as Peterson, Flemings, Wagler, Philon, Brown, Burries.
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Caneman786 wrote:Upperclass wrote:Evans is the best 2G in the draft imo.. so we will revisit
Over Darryn Peterson?
He will be more on ball in the league.. so no
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Evans is too streaky, at times he looks awesome and when the shot isn't falling he is rather human.
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Upperclass wrote:He will be more on ball in the league.. so no
Why do you think this? And why would that preclude him from being a 2-guard? What does that mean to you?
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BigGargamel wrote:Caneman786 wrote:Upperclass wrote:Evans is the best 2G in the draft imo.. so we will revisit
Over Darryn Peterson?
You know he doesn't mean that. At least I hope not.
Evans is strictly a 2 guard. So I wouldn't put him in the same category as Peterson, Flemings, Wagler, Philon, Brown, Burries.
DP is the most two guard two guard. Even with me defending his passing every post, I wouldn't dare call him a combo guard or initiator lead guard. He is an okay passer, better than his stats. Definitely not a good passing two guard like Wagler.
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CptCrunch wrote:DP is the most two guard two guard. Even with me defending his passing every post, I wouldn't dare call him a combo guard or initiator lead guard. He is an okay passer, better than his stats. Definitely not a good passing two guard like Wagler.
Yeah, originally I went into Darryn's stats a lot to try to make my point about him not being a point guard but I changed it at the end to just ask why. The burden of proof should be on you to show Peterson isn't anything but a shooting guard when all the evidence points this way.
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BigGargamel wrote:Evans is strictly a 2 guard. So I wouldn't put him in the same category as Peterson, Flemings, Wagler, Philon, Brown, Burries.
This category is huge and a little confusing honestly.
Flemings a position-locked point guard (both through his size and his skills). Brown Jr. is also a point guard with some extra size. They shouldn't be in the discussion here.
Then it includes Peterson who is 95% of what you would say is "strictly 2-guards", just maybe not as much as Evans (who, if selected in the first round, would be the most extreme example of this). Peterson is far closer to Evans in his playstyle than he is to even Philon Jr. or Wagler.
And Peterson has been showing these patterns since before college. It's just who he is. He doesn't have the cognition for the game that a point guard has.
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CptCrunch wrote:DP is the most two guard two guard.
Yeah, I agree with that. Which is also why I don't think he should be a lock to be picked over some of the other Guards in this strong class. Obviously that doesn't mean that Peterson won't be on the ball quite a bit and create some. Pretty much all high-level scorers do that and have some success due to their scoring prowess. But among the other lottery Freshmen Guards (Flemings, Acuff, Wagler, Burries) he looks least equipped to run an offense right now IMO.
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Where do you have Burries?
Is he top of next tier over Philon Mikel?
Would he have gone 8th last year after Fears and before Demin?
https://youtu.be/51z_w6Twyq0?si=4rieE1ZiuxxfeE6U
Is he top of next tier over Philon Mikel?
Would he have gone 8th last year after Fears and before Demin?
https://youtu.be/51z_w6Twyq0?si=4rieE1ZiuxxfeE6U
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Chi town wrote:Where do you have Burries?
Still not sure exactly but I'd say in the 4-7 range. Outside chance at #3 but that feels unlikely. I'm pondering over who I'd draft first: Burries, Peterson, Wagler or Flemings. Still not clear to me.
Chi town wrote:Would he have gone 8th last year after Fears and before Demin?
For me personally, I see a good case for him being ranked 3rd overall (behind Flagg and Harper). As for reality, nobody will be able to answer that question. I struggle to see a good case for Fears and Demin ahead of Burries but I was also lower on them than the average observer and at least one GM with a mid-lottery pick. So who knows.
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Chi town wrote:Where do you have Burries?
Is he top of next tier over Philon Mikel?
Would he have gone 8th last year after Fears and before Demin?
https://youtu.be/51z_w6Twyq0?si=4rieE1ZiuxxfeE6U
Last year I think Burries definitely goes over Fears and Demin. This year I am still deciding. Last time I made a list I had him at 9 but that is too low.
For me he probably ends up 6-7.
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Wagler and Stirtz.... backup PGs in the future? End of lotto or early 2nds?
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RookieStar wrote:Wagler and Stirtz.... backup PGs in the future? End of lotto or early 2nds?
Wagler definitely has a chippiness to him, that you wouldn't think he has based on how he looks. Baby face, etc... His lack of athleticism is a concern, but the dude plays with a lot of confidence like he has something to prove. Could be better on the next level if he keeps with that mindset.
Stirtz is a backup point guard at the next level. Could he become a starter? In some situations yes, but similar to Braden Smith, he's never going to have the ball in hands like he does at Iowa unless he can prove he can create advantages using the dribble. Very good passer though. He'd also have to prove he can score consistently against NBA length. He should be a quality backup PG though. And there are never enough of those.
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Chuck Everett wrote:RookieStar wrote:Wagler and Stirtz.... backup PGs in the future? End of lotto or early 2nds?
Wagler definitely has a chippiness to him, that you wouldn't think he has based on how he looks. Baby face, etc... His lack of athleticism is a concern, but the dude plays with a lot of confidence like he has something to prove. Could be better on the next level if he keeps with that mindset.
Stirtz is a backup point guard at the next level. Could he become a starter? In some situations yes, but similar to Braden Smith, he's never going to have the ball in hands like he does at Iowa unless he can prove he can create advantages using the dribble. Very good passer though. He'd also have to prove he can score consistently against NBA length. He should be a quality backup PG though. And there are never enough of those.
Stirtz is giving me Gillepsie vibes when i saw him at Nova before... so yeah backup PG could be a starter if circumstance permit
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CptCrunch wrote:BigGargamel wrote:Caneman786 wrote:
Over Darryn Peterson?
You know he doesn't mean that. At least I hope not.
Evans is strictly a 2 guard. So I wouldn't put him in the same category as Peterson, Flemings, Wagler, Philon, Brown, Burries.
DP is the most two guard two guard. Even with me defending his passing every post, I wouldn't dare call him a combo guard or initiator lead guard. He is an okay passer, better than his stats. Definitely not a good passing two guard like Wagler.
Not sure what you all are missing with the Peterson assessment but he's a 2 in the same way Arenas, Harden, SGA and others are. Yes technically a 2 but will make all the decisions on ball for his team.
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Upperclass wrote:Not sure what you all are missing with the Peterson assessment but he's a 2 in the same way Arenas, Harden, SGA and others are. Yes technically a 2 but will make all the decisions on ball for his team.
There's just a difference in assessment in that I (and maybe others) just don't see the level of ball handling, passing, decision-making and mindset from Peterson that is required to put him in a category with someone like Harden or SGA. Maybe he'll develop into that, who knows. But I find it strange that a lot of people just seem to assume that Peterson will be a PG or lead creator at the next level when he did not at all demonstrate that ability or mindset in college.
And yes, I'm aware of all the arguments (Kansas team is supposed to be bad, he just didn't care, in HS he played differently) but I personally think the most obvious reason why he played the way he did in Kansas is that this is what he wants to do and what he can do. Again, I'm not saying he's definitely not going to develop into a lead Guard in the NBA. But I do find it odd when people just take that as a given and not understand why others are more skeptical.
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If Peterson hits his ceiling, then sure he will be a lead ball handler in the way that Donovan Mitchell or Devin Booker are... if he hits the ceiling and is the best player on his team and a top 25 player in the league... however there are plenty of outcomes where he doesn't hit that ceiling and in those scenarios I think he is a 2 guard more like Norman Powell, Donte Divincenzo, Desmond Bane etc...
I don't see him not hitting ceiling, but being an on ball player. The players who fit that mold were like Podziemski, Giddey, Nembhard, Markelle Fultz... Where those guys didn't have to become an elite player but their skills still aligned to be lead ball handlers... Peterson isn't likely to take this path.
I don't see him not hitting ceiling, but being an on ball player. The players who fit that mold were like Podziemski, Giddey, Nembhard, Markelle Fultz... Where those guys didn't have to become an elite player but their skills still aligned to be lead ball handlers... Peterson isn't likely to take this path.
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^ Whether Peterson doesnt hit his ceiling due to other factors such as attitude, injury(in the zion inconsistently available sense etc. Is obviously valid. Productivity oncourt wont be a miss. He will be a top 3 talent on the court everytime he's on the floor and those guys control the flow of the game.. even when they shouldnt.. i.e. Ben Simmons.





