Johnston wrote:Iwasawitness wrote:LoveMyRaps wrote:
They were 18th after the Harden trade.
They're not a good defensive team. It's okay to accept that.
Even Mobley took a step back this year.
What is this nonsense about accepting something? I've never had a problem accepting when my team is poor at something. It just simply isn't true because I have a brain and know what I'm talking about.
The bolded doesn't disprove what I just said at all. Again, learn what injuries are and how they work.
People keep mentioning the 15th DRTG and even the 18th with the Harden trade. There is so much context you guys are missing and purposely ignoring. Half of those games were without Jarrett Allen, forcing Mobley into the center position that we've established he's not as strong defensively at. Tyson and Wade were both missing for a good majority of that time two, and they're Cleveland's best perimeter defenders.
We've already given you the numbers. When healthy and playing with the lineup they're accustomed to, Cleveland is an elite defensive team. It's okay to accept that.
Raps didn't have a center for 32 games and severely compromised close to 20 before he went in the IL. Most of the fans thought his career was done. Outside of Barnes, Poeltl is the raptors most important defensive player. 22 of the games (and majority of the mins at C ) was started and played by a 6'7 rookie. You are making excuses that 6'11 defensive player of the year playing C is why your defense tailed off? Lolol
First off, don't pretend to be stupid. I know you're capable of reading my post, don't purposely leave out important information. That's just insulting my and everyone else's intelligence.
We'll start with Mobley, the 215 player who is used to playing PF and has struggled playing center consistently since first coming to the NBA. Yes, I'm going to point that out. Mobley is not used to playing center for an entire game. You mention him winning DPOY last season. Wanna take a bet on what position he was playing for most of that season? The one where he's produced better defensive results. It's really funny that Raptors fans on here make fun of Mobley for being soft, but then can't wrap their heads around the idea that this guy they keep calling soft struggles to play at center. So which is it?
Also, you decided to try to be cute and leave out the part where I said we were also missing our two best perimeter defenders for a good amount of that time. You know what that means? Lots and lots of lineups involving Merrill and Ellis playing the 3, and while they may be very good if not great defenders (especially Ellis who has all team potential), it's kind of difficult to play someone like them at the three while sacrificing length. One of the major issues the Cavs run into when playing a Mitchell/Harden lineup is that you're already giving up size. Mobley can at least play center and still be an elite rim protector. But if you don't have the versatility and length that those two provide, you're missing out on a lot of coverage throughout the floor.
Also, I don't think you understand how big of a deal it is when either Allen or Mobley is missing. Having two elite rim protectors playing at the same time who can guard the perimeter is a pretty big deal. You are obviously going to lose a good deal of defensive pressure when one of them can't play.
Trust me, we know what we're talking about with our own team. Myself and other Cavs fans aren't going to pretend we know everything about yours, we will gladly take your word on it if you say Poeltl is your second most important defensive player. You watch more Raptors games than I do, I have zero reason to think you'd be lying. If you're going to pretend you know more about ours, at least do more than look at NBA ratings.
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