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[JujitsuFlip]

And another fired for not making it to this round.

Yup! Good ol' Mose.

Mosley and JB are close friends, so he and Bernie will likely be chipping in their advice during the series.

Might just work out ... for us ...

It's a bit different than Mike Brown being able to call on Pops and Carlisle for input.

I watched a little of that Knicks/Sixers game last night, before it become a huge slaughter. It legit looks like Brown and the Knicks are running Kerr's offense.

They obviously don't have Steph or Klay but they're using KAT identical to how GSW used Dray.

Dude is averaging 8 APG the last 4 (since they switched their offense, after going down 2-1 to the Hawks).

And its paying dividends, Knicks average margin of victory is like 40 points now.

[jbk1234]

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Riley tampering through the media is why no one wants to trade with him. I wouldn't blame the Cavs for running it back one more season, even if Mitchell declines to extend, rather than trade with the Heat.

[gflem]

After what Balmer and the Clippers have apparently gotten away with its pretty much anything goes in the NBA now. With the leagues ties to the gambling industry they really have no moral high ground to claim. They seem intent on killing the proverbial golden goose.

[ijspeelman]

After what Balmer and the Clippers have apparently gotten away with its pretty much anything goes in the NBA now. With the leagues ties to the gambling industry they really have no moral high ground to claim. They seem intent on killing the proverbial golden goose.

I am still unsure if the Clips have gotten away with anything. I think we knew and were told the investigation would take awhile. Now, I will say I wouldn't be shocked if nothing came of it, just like I don't see Terry Rozier going to jail for what he did (diff circumstances, but still).

Unless federal sweeping changes happen (doubt, for many reasons), gambling is here to stay. The league has only gotten bigger through gambling and I know the owners won't be having removing the NBA's reliance on it.

[JonFromVA]

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Riley tampering through the media is why no one wants to trade with him. I wouldn't blame the Cavs for running it back one more season, even if Mitchell declines to extend, rather than trade with the Heat.

An even bigger reason nobody wants to trade with him is the media and heat fans over-value his assets.

The only player I'd want on his roster is Bam, and that doesn't make any sense for either side.

[JonFromVA]

After what Balmer and the Clippers have apparently gotten away with its pretty much anything goes in the NBA now. With the leagues ties to the gambling industry they really have no moral high ground to claim. They seem intent on killing the proverbial golden goose.

I am still unsure if the Clips have gotten away with anything. I think we knew and were told the investigation would take awhile. Now, I will say I wouldn't be shocked if nothing came of it, just like I don't see Terry Rozier going to jail for what he did (diff circumstances, but still).

Unless federal sweeping changes happen (doubt, for many reasons), gambling is here to stay. The league has only gotten bigger through gambling and I know the owners won't be having removing the NBA's reliance on it.

Even if the investigation eventually discovers something, the Clippers have still benefited from how long it's taken and the Thunder who own the Clippers pick have been penalized (not that I mind that).

[JujitsuFlip]

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Riley tampering through the media is why no one wants to trade with him. I wouldn't blame the Cavs for running it back one more season, even if Mitchell declines to extend, rather than trade with the Heat.

An even bigger reason nobody wants to trade with him is the media and heat fans over-value his assets.

The only player I'd want on his roster is Bam, and that doesn't make any sense for either side.

I was gonna say the package is pretty similar as back in the summer of 2024 when Mitchell signed his first Cavs extension.

Herro, JJJ, and now it's Kasparas Jakučionis instead of Jovic. Then obviously like 1 first rounder.

Herro and Jaquez are expiring, so idk what that really does for the Cavs. Although Jaquez would be restricted, i suppose.

Jakučionis is a fine prospect and closer to Mobley's perceived timeline but if this is the "best" package we can get for Mitchell then I assume the hypothetical return on Harden is going to be next to nothing.

[jbk1234]

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Riley tampering through the media is why no one wants to trade with him. I wouldn't blame the Cavs for running it back one more season, even if Mitchell declines to extend, rather than trade with the Heat.

An even bigger reason nobody wants to trade with him is the media and heat fans over-value his assets.

The only player I'd want on his roster is Bam, and that doesn't make any sense for either side.

I was gonna say the package is pretty similar as back in the summer of 2024 when Mitchell signed his first Cavs extension.

Herro, JJJ, and now it's Kasparas Jakučionis instead of Jovic. Then obviously like 1 first rounder.

Herro and Jaquez are expiring, so idk what that really does for the Cavs. Although Jaquez would be restricted, i suppose.

Jakučionis is a fine prospect and closer to Mobley's perceived timeline but if this is the "best" package we can get for Mitchell then I assume the hypothetical return on Harden is going to be next to nothing.

Altman should be fired on the spot if he even takes that garbage offer to Gilbert (and there's a non-zero chance he would be).Just play out the year and let the Heat clear the space to sign him 27.

[JujitsuFlip]

An even bigger reason nobody wants to trade with him is the media and heat fans over-value his assets.

The only player I'd want on his roster is Bam, and that doesn't make any sense for either side.

I was gonna say the package is pretty similar as back in the summer of 2024 when Mitchell signed his first Cavs extension.

Herro, JJJ, and now it's Kasparas Jakučionis instead of Jovic. Then obviously like 1 first rounder.

Herro and Jaquez are expiring, so idk what that really does for the Cavs. Although Jaquez would be restricted, i suppose.

Jakučionis is a fine prospect and closer to Mobley's perceived timeline but if this is the "best" package we can get for Mitchell then I assume the hypothetical return on Harden is going to be next to nothing.

Altman should be fired on the spot if he even takes that garbage offer to Gilbert (and there's a non-zero chance he would be).Just play out the year and let the Heat clear the space to sign him 27.

Dang, that would hurt to lose Mitchell for nothing and still owe the Jazz the 2029 unprotected 1st.

Maybe that ends up being best case scenario but feels like the Cavs gotta try to fetch some sort of assets for Mitchell & Harden before they both walk for nothing.

I'm not saying accept the Heat package but there would have to be something else out there, I'd imagine.

[jbk1234]

I was gonna say the package is pretty similar as back in the summer of 2024 when Mitchell signed his first Cavs extension.

Herro, JJJ, and now it's Kasparas Jakučionis instead of Jovic. Then obviously like 1 first rounder.

Herro and Jaquez are expiring, so idk what that really does for the Cavs. Although Jaquez would be restricted, i suppose.

Jakučionis is a fine prospect and closer to Mobley's perceived timeline but if this is the "best" package we can get for Mitchell then I assume the hypothetical return on Harden is going to be next to nothing.

Altman should be fired on the spot if he even takes that garbage offer to Gilbert (and there's a non-zero chance he would be).Just play out the year and let the Heat clear the space to sign him 27.

Dang, that would hurt to lose Mitchell for nothing and still owe the Jazz the 2029 unprotected 1st.

Maybe that ends up being best case scenario but feels like the Cavs gotta try to fetch some sort of assets for Mitchell & Harden before they both walk for nothing.

I'm not saying accept the Heat package but there would have to be something else out there, I'd imagine.

It would hurt more to convey a lottery pick next summer.

[JujitsuFlip]

Altman should be fired on the spot if he even takes that garbage offer to Gilbert (and there's a non-zero chance he would be).Just play out the year and let the Heat clear the space to sign him 27.

Dang, that would hurt to lose Mitchell for nothing and still owe the Jazz the 2029 unprotected 1st.

Maybe that ends up being best case scenario but feels like the Cavs gotta try to fetch some sort of assets for Mitchell & Harden before they both walk for nothing.

I'm not saying accept the Heat package but there would have to be something else out there, I'd imagine.

It would hurt more to convey a lottery pick next summer.

We'll see what happens these next 2 or 3 games of the 2nd round but in the hypothetical, I personally would rather get some sort of assets back for Mitchell and Harden (+ Strus), before they walk for nothing in 2027. I guess Dennis probably gets waived in that instance as well, idk.

[toooskies]

Mitchell leaving Cleveland is a weird dance where he would somehow have to see himself having a better chance at winning elsewhere rather than in Cleveland, but also needs to be no worse than the #1b option on the team. When you do the math it doesn't make sense for him to go elsewhere. He needs an absolutely loaded team, not him + the limited cap sheet of a cap space team. That team would waste multiple years trying to build the rest of its roster.

Because Mitchell does care about winning-- he's not going to just take a bag in Brooklyn.

[ijspeelman]

Mitchell leaving Cleveland is a weird dance where he would somehow have to see himself having a better chance at winning elsewhere rather than in Cleveland, but also needs to be no worse than the #1b option on the team. When you do the math it doesn't make sense for him to go elsewhere. He needs an absolutely loaded team, not him + the limited cap sheet of a cap space team. That team would waste multiple years trying to build the rest of its roster.

Because Mitchell does care about winning-- he's not going to just take a bag in Brooklyn.

I think for your reasons, I just don't see him leaving. Just as I didn't really see us attempting to go full rebuild until we owned our own picks again even if we flamed out last round.

[jbk1234]

Dang, that would hurt to lose Mitchell for nothing and still owe the Jazz the 2029 unprotected 1st.

Maybe that ends up being best case scenario but feels like the Cavs gotta try to fetch some sort of assets for Mitchell & Harden before they both walk for nothing.

I'm not saying accept the Heat package but there would have to be something else out there, I'd imagine.

It would hurt more to convey a lottery pick next summer.

We'll see what happens these next 2 or 3 games of the 2nd round but in the hypothetical, I personally would rather get some sort of assets back for Mitchell and Harden (+ Strus), before they walk for nothing in 2027. I guess Dennis probably gets waived in that instance as well, idk.

The only asset listed is the first and it will suck if the Heat have Mitchell. Seriously, none of players the Heat are offering have real trade value. I'd rather have the cap space.

[JujitsuFlip]

It would hurt more to convey a lottery pick next summer.

We'll see what happens these next 2 or 3 games of the 2nd round but in the hypothetical, I personally would rather get some sort of assets back for Mitchell and Harden (+ Strus), before they walk for nothing in 2027. I guess Dennis probably gets waived in that instance as well, idk.

The only asset listed is the first and it will suck if the Heat have Mitchell. Seriously, none of players the Heat are offering have real trade value. I'd rather have the cap space.

The Heat aren't rumored to be proposing sending any long term money.

But if it comes with a 1st round pick or two, plus a young player, eh, may be worth it. Because then you still get the cap space.

Although, i don't think a team built around Mobley and Tyson is a very intriguing free agent destination. So you may not give the Jazz a 2027 lottery pick but you are highly likely to be giving them a 2028 lottery pick and directly gifting them a 2029 lottery pick, if you allow Mitchell, Harden, Strus, and Dennis to walk for free.

Your 2027 cap sheet looks like...

1. Mobley $53.8 million
2. Allen $30.2 million
3. Wade $12 million (Spotrac projection)
4. Merrill $9.84 million
5. Tyson $5.64 million
6. Proctor $2.53 million
7. Pick 29 $2.5 million (yr2 estimate)
8. 5 roster charges $6.5 million
9. Dennis dead cap $4.35 million

You're at $127.36 million against a projected $173 million salary cap. So you have about $45 million to work with, not even a full max slot.

And that team for sure isn't competing for anything, any time soon. And wouldn't own their first round pick for the first 2 years of their "reload".

[JonFromVA]

Mitchell leaving Cleveland is a weird dance where he would somehow have to see himself having a better chance at winning elsewhere rather than in Cleveland, but also needs to be no worse than the #1b option on the team. When you do the math it doesn't make sense for him to go elsewhere. He needs an absolutely loaded team, not him + the limited cap sheet of a cap space team. That team would waste multiple years trying to build the rest of its roster.

Because Mitchell does care about winning-- he's not going to just take a bag in Brooklyn.

Weird stuff happens in the NBA all the time, but just getting to the ECF or the Finals isn't technically winning and at the moment OKC stands in everyone's way with potentially no end in sight thanks to Presti's assets and talent evaluation.

And if something does happen there's still Wemby just getting started if his body can hold together.

My point here is Mitchell is a pretty smart guy and like when Durant went to OKC, he like LeBron may decide to re-focus his career on finding the right situation for himself and his future wife/family.

That could be in Cleveland, but I wouldn't rule out the Knicks, Nets, or perhaps even the 76'ers since Philly is pretty close to NYC.

[JujitsuFlip]

Mitchell leaving Cleveland is a weird dance where he would somehow have to see himself having a better chance at winning elsewhere rather than in Cleveland, but also needs to be no worse than the #1b option on the team. When you do the math it doesn't make sense for him to go elsewhere. He needs an absolutely loaded team, not him + the limited cap sheet of a cap space team. That team would waste multiple years trying to build the rest of its roster.

Because Mitchell does care about winning-- he's not going to just take a bag in Brooklyn.

Weird stuff happens in the NBA all the time, but just getting to the ECF or the Finals isn't technically winning and at the moment OKC stands in everyone's way with potentially no end in sight thanks to Presti's assets and talent evaluation.

And if something does happen there's still Wemby just getting started if his body can hold together.

My point here is Mitchell is a pretty smart guy and like when Durant went to OKC, he like LeBron may decide to re-focus his career on finding the right situation for himself and his future wife/family.

That could be in Cleveland, but I wouldn't rule out the Knicks, Nets, or perhaps even the 76'ers since Philly is pretty close to NYC.

Yeah, I'd have to think Coco Jones gonna have a lot of say on if Donovan extends or not this summer.

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[JonFromVA]

Regardless of his medicals, his struggle to stay on the floor speaks for itself.

[jbk1234]

Regardless of his medicals, his struggle to stay on the floor speaks for itself.

Initially, I thought that was reporter who covers Minny, but that reporter covers the Bucks.