Chet Holmgren the new Draymond Green

[JMAC3]

He was averaging 19/9 on 60/39/89 splits before this series. It's just the Wemby effect

In two series where they swept injured Suns and Lakers teams- Ajay Mitchell was better than him so Chet got to be 3rd banana even with JDub.

It's nothing new though, he was a noshow in the finals last year too vs Indy. 12 ppg on sub 40% fg%.

Meanwhile Jdub averaged 24 in the finals including a 40 piece in crucial game 5.

[Raps in 4]

I would rather have Mobley, Bam and Gobert for a playoff series.
Also would rather have KAT or Siakam too.

Chet has had the ball at 15 feet vs Harper, Castle, Champaigne multiple times this series with the shot clock winding down and I have yet to see him doing anything productive with the ball.

Same.

He has no offensive game whatsoever, and his defensive impact is limited by his frame.

From those guys you listed, he's basically just a (much) skinnier Gobert. Draymond is a more versatile defender than Chet and can initiate the offense. Chet is useless with the ball.

[JMAC3]

So Shai is an overrated flopper, and Chet is an overrated, injury-prone role player, and JDub is an overrated, injury-prone role player...

How exactly is this team winning so many games?

They are all good players, nobody says they suck.

SGA just won MVP.
JDub was All NBA last year.
Chet is still probably a top 40 guy- just a playoff faller.

They win still because they have a billion role players that would play massive minutes for other teams. They have Hart, Dort, Mitchell, Caruso, Cason, McCain... nobody is arguing they aren't talented. But they all are benefactors from having a stacked roster and IMO Chet is the biggest benefactor.

He doesn't have to do anything on offense except shoot open threes or stand in the dunker spot. Defensively he has 4 elite defenders chasing around offensive players funneling them to him, while also having Hartenstein there to be a true enforcer at the 5 when Chet has any type of defensive challenge.

[JMAC3]

Evan Mobley is anchoring a defense with Garland, Harden, Mitchell, Struss, Merrill and Dean Wade around him lol....

So 3-4 terrible defenders, while Chet has 4-5 of the best defenders in the world playing next to him.

Wemby, Gobert, Scottie Barnes, JJJ, Anthony Davis etc... were all playing with poor to mid defenders at best around them.

[JJ_PR]

I think highly of Draymond Green, and I disagree with this thread about Chet. He's a great player, important piece on a championship team that is looking to repeat.

That said, it would help him if he added some weight, obviously.

[UglyBugBall]

LOL...
Chet had +20 on/off against the Mavs in 24, and the Mavs basically won when he went to the bench, he is always the highest net rating starter and on/off on the team in their 3 years run, and among the on/off leaders in general.
He is the 2nd best defensive anchor in the league with inconsistent offensive game, still much better offensively than Gobert.
P.S. Draymong is pribabely the most impactful defender of this generation so in a way, he is the new Draymond.

so hes a better defensive anchor than either wemby or gobert then?

[76Shots]

Ah yes, a Chet can't stop Wemby so must be "the most overrated player in the league" overreaction thread! If that's the barometer, then everyone in this league is "the most overrated"...!

Chet is an excellent defender who can protect the rim, guard adequately to the perimeter, rebound, and give you some scoring (including good 3-point shooting). Outside of maybe 3-4 teams, everybody else would love to have this guy as their 3rd or 4th option on offense.

He also can't score. OKC is without JDub and Chet is averaging a whooping 10 ppg this series.

He is a role player but since he is on a great team we are tossing him into the top 15 convo. It is the same thing we did with Klay and Draymond during the amazing Warriors run.

Klay wouldn't of even been an allstar on most teams, same with Draymond but since they were winning we just handed out accolades.

But they were winning so much in large part due to the play of Klay and Draymond. So I dont really understand what you're trying to say.

[Mavrelous]

LOL...
Chet had +20 on/off against the Mavs in 24, and the Mavs basically won when he went to the bench, he is always the highest net rating starter and on/off on the team in their 3 years run, and among the on/off leaders in general.
He is the 2nd best defensive anchor in the league with inconsistent offensive game, still much better offensively than Gobert.
P.S. Draymong is pribabely the most impactful defender of this generation so in a way, he is the new Draymond.

so hes a better defensive anchor than either wemby or gobert then?

No, how did you get that from my post? He's better than current Gobert, but he's not better than Wemby.

[Kobe187]

Green was a big factor for GS, he brought incredible defence, very high intensity and physicality, was a constant nuisance for the opposition. Prime Green was way more effective than people give him credit for.

[UglyBugBall]

LOL...
Chet had +20 on/off against the Mavs in 24, and the Mavs basically won when he went to the bench, he is always the highest net rating starter and on/off on the team in their 3 years run, and among the on/off leaders in general.
He is the 2nd best defensive anchor in the league with inconsistent offensive game, still much better offensively than Gobert.
P.S. Draymong is pribabely the most impactful defender of this generation so in a way, he is the new Draymond.

so hes a better defensive anchor than either wemby or gobert then?

No, how did you get that from my post? He's better than current Gobert, but he's not better than Wemby.

You said:

He is the 2nd best defensive anchor in the league with inconsistent offensive game, still much better offensively than Gobert.

That would mean he has to be better than one of either Wemby or Gobert, or am I misunderstanding you?

[RunOKC]

He was averaging almost 20 points before Wemby showed up give hima break lol

[Mavrelous]

so hes a better defensive anchor than either wemby or gobert then?

No, how did you get that from my post? He's better than current Gobert, but he's not better than Wemby.

You said:

He is the 2nd best defensive anchor in the league with inconsistent offensive game, still much better offensively than Gobert.

That would mean he has to be better than one of either Wemby or Gobert, or am I misunderstanding you?

Ah yes, he is better than Gobert, on both ends, I thought you meant he's better than both.

[1993Playoffs]

He’s a very good role player.

[TheGeneral99]

He's one of the best rim protectors in the league, very versatile, and has some solid skill for someone that big.

He's going against one of the most physically gifted freaks in NBA history right now, lol.

[sikma42]

No, how did you get that from my post? He's better than current Gobert, but he's not better than Wemby.

You said:

He is the 2nd best defensive anchor in the league with inconsistent offensive game, still much better offensively than Gobert.

That would mean he has to be better than one of either Wemby or Gobert, or am I misunderstanding you?

Ah yes, he is better than Gobert, on both ends, I thought you meant he's better than both.

I don’t agree here. Gobert is a better defender than Chet. Even the effect of Gobert being able to play the 5 effectively makes him a better defender and impacts the offense (lets them play a scorer at 5 instead of a bruiser big).

Chet doesn’t rebound well and get muscled agaisnt good teams. Isn’t a great 1 on defender. At this point, he has to play with a 5 like Hartenstein which messes up OKCs whole offense bc Chet isn’t reliable.

Not even taken into account that Rudy steps up and Chet seems to disappear a lot.

Chet is a great shot blocker. Gobert is a great defender.

[bkkrh]

I'm not totally there with JMac, but I find it funny when people diss Paolo Banchero in favor of Holmgren. Chet absolutely is not someone who could be a franchise player. For all his defensive prowess, if he was, your beat player, you would probably be in the lottery for years, 'til you got someone better than him.

He is closer to an elite role player than an actual star who can carry a team.

I doubt this. Gobert is way worse than Chet as a play maker and finisher and yet turned 2 franchises into borderline title contenders. I would also argue that Gobert was the best player in UTA during his era, not Spida.

Chet can definitely be a franchise player. Moreso than Paolo who has trouble with consistency

I don’t think Chet would hold up without this all time defensive talent around him. Gobert imo is a better defender.

On offense, you can’t rely on Chet and this is without anyone EVER game planning for him on offense. Lot of this stuff is laziness on Chet’s end. He never wanted to be a great offensive player, bc if he did he’d speed up his jump shot. Somewhere he decided that he didn’t need to improve on obvious things and that it was enough to just be tall on offense.

Yeah, I mean Gobert has won 4 DPOY awards, if that´s your standard you´d need to find a way to time travel prime Mutombo or Ben Wallace^^.

[TroubleS0me]

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[cupcakesnake]

Chet is an elite defensive anchor who can be your 3rd option on offense. That's an insanely valuable player. Imagine if Gobert could be the Wolves #3 option on offense.

His scoring game looks really bad in this series, because Wembanyama and the Spurs defense is crushing him and not letting him drive. Let us not forget though, he just completely dummied the Lakers and Suns, shooting 60/38/89. The Lakers specifically had no answers for him, and his buckets felt like a man dunking on his little baby brother.

I do think there's some fair questions about Chet's scoring game. Against really good defenses who can take away his drives and track him off-ball, his lack of physical strength becomes a problem, and his shooting is more solid than el fuego. I've long felt the thing that OKC needs most from Chet on offense is some high-volume shooting where teams simply cannot leave him alone up there. Right now opponents live with an open Chet 3 because they're more concerned with keeping the paint packed against OKC's drives.

It's not good basketball analysis to judge Chet's worth in his worst offensive series. I would like to see him find a way to make a bigger impact with J.Dub and Ajay out.

[baldur]

elite role player. he doesnt even have star aura or charisma. but would you call banchero a role player? hell no.

[JMAC3]

elite role player. he doesnt even have star aura or charisma. but would you call banchero a role player? hell no.

Right, a lot of how we view players is based on the roles they get to play.
Draymond Green career looks a lot different if he was playing next to Kyle Lowry and Demar Derozan instead of KD and Curry winning titles. or even worse if he was on Bulls or Kings etc....

or Klay career looks a lot different if he were drafted by Charlotte and was cast as a franchise guy instead of playing next to a two top 15 players of all time.

Hence why Paolo is the man on his team facing double teams and putting up 45 in playoff games and still losing. While Chet can score 8 pts and his team can still win a WCF.

Chet can play like **** on both ends and people will make excuses for him because the rest of the team bails him out.

OKC is SGA and a sum of the parts team. They are winning without JDub right now too- which again just shows how easy it is for guys to coast.