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Re: Aday Mara (2005) - the spanish freak? 

Post#241 » by TheSuzerain » Fri May 29, 2026 12:50 am

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FarBeyondDriven wrote:btw he's not coming out of nowhere. This thread was started years ago for a reason. Because of his elite BBIQ, size, shot-blocking around the basket and passing ability he's a unique prospect. Had he been utilized properly at UCLA there's a good chance he would have been drafted already. I think it's pretty obvious that he wasn't used well and as soon as he transfers to a coach that does he immediately looks like the prospect many of us envisioned years ago. He's worked on his body, he looks stronger and more fluid. He's shown some ability to move his feet well enough to look surprisingly capable of defending the perimeter on some switches, in college at least. To me he still looks pretty raw but someone I'd love to invest a lottery pick on and bring him along slowly hoping that in a few years you've got a starting center that can be a mismatch. Until then, he should be no worse than any other backup/spot starting center. This is similar to the Clinan and Edey picks from a couple of years ago. He's in the same tier as they are as a prospect imo but I don't hold it against someone if they disagree.


Aday has some skills, there’s no doubt about that. The difference between him, Clingan and Edey is in the body types.

All three, as huge humans, have some stamina issues. Clingan had REALLY bad stamina issues in college and as a rookie, but he’s gotten better, so there’s similar hope for Mara. Edey interestingly has the least problems with stamina, but you also don’t see him trying to sprint out like Clingan does very frequently,

It goes beyond that, though.

Edey, after toning up some since Purdue, seems very fit and has a normal looking (except monstrously huge) body. He’s similar to someone like Mark Eaton (RIP), a body type that isn’t conducive to speed but has a typical center of gravity and can carry a ton of good weight. He’s still having injury problems, sadly, but there’s hope he can get his legs and feet healthy and have a good career. Truly an intimidating half court force when healthy.

Climgan’s a little armier and leggier than Edey and not as thick, but still decently stout. He’s easier to move but makes up for it with his arms. Now that he has his stamina issues under control, his decent shootingrange and defensive mobility make him a very useful player, despite sometimes getting pushed around at least a little bit.

Mara is even more unique, but not likely in a good way. He’s a touch shorter than Edey and taller than Clingan, but has a standing reach two inches higher than both. This man is all arms and legs, even more so than Clingan. He needs to add serious muscle, especially to his legs, and he’s still carrying some extra useless weight as Edey was in college. There’s no changing his high center of gravity, though, because his legs are really, really long. Holding boxouts is going to be a problem, and despite his very long strides, he doesn’t move particularly well either end to end or laterally. He’s as immobile as Edey with strength even worse than Clingan right now, and his body looks very hard to change.

Who knows, maybe he ends up making it as a starter down the line. I don’t see that as likely, though, because he has some of the weaknesses of both guys mentioned here (immobile like Edey, no offensive range like Edey, but weaker on both ends like Clingan).

I think he's worse than the two you list for the reasons you mention. That may still be a very good player though in mid/late lotto.

His passing is intriguing too as he's far beyond those two on that front which could be big to alleviate offensive clunkiness.

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Re: Aday Mara (2005) - the spanish freak? 

Post#242 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jun 1, 2026 4:18 am

He has to develop a pretty good three ball imo to actually provide much value in the NBA. He could be a bigger Myles Turner or do some Clingan things if he does... but Clingan is rather useless offensive player outside of stretching the floor some. I also trust Clingan instincts a lot more than Mara who has shown to be quite soft in the past.
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Post#243 » by Braggins » Mon Jun 1, 2026 4:34 am

He looks significantly less athletic than Edey and even noticeably less athletic than Clingan. Hes always had some nice skills but it seems kind of borderline whether he'll meet the athleticism threshold for an NBA center.
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Re: Aday Mara (2005) - the spanish freak? 

Post#244 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jun 1, 2026 5:37 am

I don't see him as a terrible player, but to me he is more of a fit based player than actually some great talent that needs to be a lock to go top 10. Like if your team really lacks size and rim protection I think he can give you some of that day 1 but if you already have any type of center like that in your rotation I don't expect him to be such an improvement that you have to updraft him.

Probably some mix of a Kalkbrenner, Kessler, Bamba, Poeltl type of center more than a defense altering rim deterer. or if you are lucky he learns how to be a three point shooter (3 made threes in college career) and can be more Turner, Lopez, Clingan- but all those guys were a bit more talented college scorers imo.

So someone like Hawks who desperately need size, I won't clown them for the pick but if Dallas or Milwaukee take him like he is going to be some massive improvment over Turner or Lively than I think it is very likely to be a poor selection.
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Post#245 » by Upperclass » Mon Jun 1, 2026 5:46 am

The perfect fit next to Chet if the Clips don’t get him first
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Re: Aday Mara (2005) - the spanish freak? 

Post#246 » by ReggiesKnicks » Mon Jun 1, 2026 5:46 am

JMAC3 wrote:I don't see him as a terrible player, but to me he is more of a fit based player than actually some great talent that needs to be a lock to go top 10. Like if your team really lacks size and rim protection I think he can give you some of that day 1 but if you already have any type of center like that in your rotation I don't expect him to be such an improvement that you have to updraft him.

Probably some mix of a Kalkbrenner, Kessler, Bamba, Poeltl type of center more than a defense altering rim deterer. or if you are lucky he learns how to be a three point shooter (3 made threes in college career) and can be more Turner, Lopez, Clingan- but all those guys were a bit more talented college scorers imo.

So someone like Hawks who desperately need size, I won't clown them for the pick but if Dallas or Milwaukee take him like he is going to be some massive improvment over Turner or Lively than I think it is very likely to be a poor selection.


I don't mind him at #12. If OKC thinks Chicago will pass on him at #15, they could get him at #17, which is good value.
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Re: Aday Mara (2005) - the spanish freak? 

Post#247 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jun 1, 2026 5:57 am

I disagree he is a good fit for OKC, I think they would be a lot smarter to grab a stronger, quicker athlete to play the 5 like Quaintance, Morez or maybe even Cenac. Wemby is far too mobile on the perimeter for Mara, you want guys that are better athletes who can play underneath not Wemby not slow footed guys that Wemby will just destroy with angles.

Size doesn't bother Wemby, it is why he little boys Chet who is probably 7-2 and long. You want athletic, strong athletes.

Diabate is actually one of the better players in the league at guarding Wemby.
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Post#248 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jun 1, 2026 6:09 am

Also, outside of JDub Pick Thunder have opted for mostly young picks in Dieng, Sorber, Topic, Mann, Giddey, Wallace, Chet, Poku, Bazely, Sabonis, Ferguson etc...

That is why I really doubt they draft Yaxel at age 24 or even Mara age 21.
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Re: Aday Mara (2005) - the spanish freak? 

Post#249 » by FarBeyondDriven » Mon Jun 1, 2026 8:46 am

JMAC3 wrote:I disagree he is a good fit for OKC, I think they would be a lot smarter to grab a stronger, quicker athlete to play the 5 like Quaintance, Morez or maybe even Cenac. Wemby is far too mobile on the perimeter for Mara, you want guys that are better athletes who can play underneath not Wemby not slow footed guys that Wemby will just destroy with angles.

Size doesn't bother Wemby, it is why he little boys Chet who is probably 7-2 and long. You want athletic, strong athletes.

Diabate is actually one of the better players in the league at guarding Wemby.


Mara has 60 lbs on Chet and is stronger, longer and a better passer. Wemby is pretty slow-footed himself, at least in comparison to other NBA players. Let's not act like just because he's elite that he doesn't have flaws. I think Mara would be better suited to combat Wemby than 90% of NBA centers once he develops. He's going to struggle now because his conditioning sucks and he still needs to get even stronger. In 2-3 years he and Edey are the two guys that I'd want to try and slow Wemby down. I think this is why he's being talked about going in the top 10 because teams believe this also. Listen, Wemby is also going to improve and be even more unstoppable. There's really nothing to stop him but a 7'3" guy that will make him work for it is the next best thing. Chet is absolutely useless in that regard.
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Re: Aday Mara (2005) - the spanish freak? 

Post#250 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jun 1, 2026 2:35 pm

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JMAC3 wrote:I disagree he is a good fit for OKC, I think they would be a lot smarter to grab a stronger, quicker athlete to play the 5 like Quaintance, Morez or maybe even Cenac. Wemby is far too mobile on the perimeter for Mara, you want guys that are better athletes who can play underneath not Wemby not slow footed guys that Wemby will just destroy with angles.

Size doesn't bother Wemby, it is why he little boys Chet who is probably 7-2 and long. You want athletic, strong athletes.

Diabate is actually one of the better players in the league at guarding Wemby.


Mara has 60 lbs on Chet and is stronger, longer and a better passer. Wemby is pretty slow-footed himself, at least in comparison to other NBA players. Let's not act like just because he's elite that he doesn't have flaws. I think Mara would be better suited to combat Wemby than 90% of NBA centers once he develops. He's going to struggle now because his conditioning sucks and he still needs to get even stronger. In 2-3 years he and Edey are the two guys that I'd want to try and slow Wemby down. I think this is why he's being talked about going in the top 10 because teams believe this also. Listen, Wemby is also going to improve and be even more unstoppable. There's really nothing to stop him but a 7'3" guy that will make him work for it is the next best thing. Chet is absolutely useless in that regard.


Going to sound bad, but this reads like a 10 year old saying because they are tall they can guard Wemby the best.

We are going to see a lot of OG on Wemby in the next series because ultimately height doesn't really stop him from still shooting over everyone.
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Re: Aday Mara (2005) - the spanish freak? 

Post#251 » by Prospect Dong » Mon Jun 1, 2026 5:59 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Also, outside of JDub Pick Thunder have opted for mostly young picks in Dieng, Sorber, Topic, Mann, Giddey, Wallace, Chet, Poku, Bazely, Sabonis, Ferguson etc...

That is why I really doubt they draft Yaxel at age 24 or even Mara age 21.


I think you make different drafting decisions when you are a contender with suddenly suspect depth than when you are building that contender. Not impossible Presti keeps focusing on the long term, but a guy who could play deep in the playoffs next year or the one after would be pretty valuable for the Thunder.
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Re: Aday Mara (2005) - the spanish freak? 

Post#252 » by BlazersBroncos » Mon Jun 1, 2026 6:08 pm

Ya size isnt really what gets to Wemby. Its strength, constant physicality and a strong lower base (Which can throw off Wemby who has a pretty weak lower base) - but it all those factors combined with + mobility. I actually thought iHart did about as good a job as one could ask on Wemby last series. And throwing Caruso on him from time to time worked in spurts too. When Wemby was doing damage, it was generally in a way that is simply unstoppable. Those 3PT shots in G7 are just not guardable.

If Wemby was a 7'5 back to basket bruiser I could get the Mara as a foil talk but man he sure as hell isnt that guy.

We might be entering that phase like when Shaq was dominant and teams foolishly loaded up on big, tall goons trying to counter him. There wasnt a counter. Draft guys because you think they are good game in and game out - not strictly to try and counter the types of players that are un-counterable.
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Re: Aday Mara (2005) - the spanish freak? 

Post#253 » by Caneman786 » Mon Jun 1, 2026 10:12 pm

I don't think teams shouldn't be looking for players who can guard Wemby as much as they should be looking for players who can score on him or limit his defensive value. Watch KAT (who neutralizes Victor's paint protection) and Mitchell Robinson (who removes Victor's defensive rebounding value) this finals to see examples of that.
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Re: Aday Mara (2005) - the spanish freak? 

Post#254 » by FarBeyondDriven » Tue Jun 2, 2026 6:23 am

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JMAC3 wrote:I disagree he is a good fit for OKC, I think they would be a lot smarter to grab a stronger, quicker athlete to play the 5 like Quaintance, Morez or maybe even Cenac. Wemby is far too mobile on the perimeter for Mara, you want guys that are better athletes who can play underneath not Wemby not slow footed guys that Wemby will just destroy with angles.

Size doesn't bother Wemby, it is why he little boys Chet who is probably 7-2 and long. You want athletic, strong athletes.

Diabate is actually one of the better players in the league at guarding Wemby.


Mara has 60 lbs on Chet and is stronger, longer and a better passer. Wemby is pretty slow-footed himself, at least in comparison to other NBA players. Let's not act like just because he's elite that he doesn't have flaws. I think Mara would be better suited to combat Wemby than 90% of NBA centers once he develops. He's going to struggle now because his conditioning sucks and he still needs to get even stronger. In 2-3 years he and Edey are the two guys that I'd want to try and slow Wemby down. I think this is why he's being talked about going in the top 10 because teams believe this also. Listen, Wemby is also going to improve and be even more unstoppable. There's really nothing to stop him but a 7'3" guy that will make him work for it is the next best thing. Chet is absolutely useless in that regard.


Going to sound bad, but this reads like a 10 year old saying because they are tall they can guard Wemby the best.

We are going to see a lot of OG on Wemby in the next series because ultimately height doesn't really stop him from still shooting over everyone.


Legit moronic. Imagine thinking height, weight and length aren't beneficial to trying to contain Wemby. Now THIS is 10 y/o logic. Wemby can be bothered somewhat by strong guys with low centers of gravity that allow them to sometimes keep him out of the paint. Edey and Mara (once he's developed) should both be strong like that but they also have Wemby's height and length. Nobody is going to stop Wemby, the goal is to try and slow him down. Do you expect teams to just throw up their hands in futility and not search for guys best suited to try? Or do you think they're all just going to continue to use guys like Caruso and OG, have modicum of success, lose playoff series and do nothing about it? jfc it's like arguing with a toddler
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Post#255 » by baldur » Tue Jun 2, 2026 8:06 am

he should buy some sort of gift to wemby if he gets selected as the 7th or 8th pick.
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Post#256 » by JMAC3 » Tue Jun 2, 2026 1:12 pm

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Mara has 60 lbs on Chet and is stronger, longer and a better passer. Wemby is pretty slow-footed himself, at least in comparison to other NBA players. Let's not act like just because he's elite that he doesn't have flaws. I think Mara would be better suited to combat Wemby than 90% of NBA centers once he develops. He's going to struggle now because his conditioning sucks and he still needs to get even stronger. In 2-3 years he and Edey are the two guys that I'd want to try and slow Wemby down. I think this is why he's being talked about going in the top 10 because teams believe this also. Listen, Wemby is also going to improve and be even more unstoppable. There's really nothing to stop him but a 7'3" guy that will make him work for it is the next best thing. Chet is absolutely useless in that regard.


Going to sound bad, but this reads like a 10 year old saying because they are tall they can guard Wemby the best.

We are going to see a lot of OG on Wemby in the next series because ultimately height doesn't really stop him from still shooting over everyone.


Legit moronic. Imagine thinking height, weight and length aren't beneficial to trying to contain Wemby. Now THIS is 10 y/o logic. Wemby can be bothered somewhat by strong guys with low centers of gravity that allow them to sometimes keep him out of the paint. Edey and Mara (once he's developed) should both be strong like that but they also have Wemby's height and length. Nobody is going to stop Wemby, the goal is to try and slow him down. Do you expect teams to just throw up their hands in futility and not search for guys best suited to try? Or do you think they're all just going to continue to use guys like Caruso and OG, have modicum of success, lose playoff series and do nothing about it? jfc it's like arguing with a toddler


Nope, I said before I think guys like JQ, Morez, Cenac are better to guard Wemby... but you must have missed that part haha.

Mara guarding Wemby is getting pulled to the 3pt line, where he will be blown by and foul out in under 10 mins of play. Wemby was just blowing by Hartenstein or Chet who are both much better athletes than Mara.

Edey has played Wemby 3 times in his career, he played 7 mins, 16 mins and 25 mins in those 3 games. Hard to be known as the Wemby stopper when you are barely on the floor.
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Post#257 » by ReggiesKnicks » Tue Jun 2, 2026 1:41 pm

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Mara has 60 lbs on Chet and is stronger, longer and a better passer. Wemby is pretty slow-footed himself, at least in comparison to other NBA players. Let's not act like just because he's elite that he doesn't have flaws. I think Mara would be better suited to combat Wemby than 90% of NBA centers once he develops. He's going to struggle now because his conditioning sucks and he still needs to get even stronger. In 2-3 years he and Edey are the two guys that I'd want to try and slow Wemby down. I think this is why he's being talked about going in the top 10 because teams believe this also. Listen, Wemby is also going to improve and be even more unstoppable. There's really nothing to stop him but a 7'3" guy that will make him work for it is the next best thing. Chet is absolutely useless in that regard.


Going to sound bad, but this reads like a 10 year old saying because they are tall they can guard Wemby the best.

We are going to see a lot of OG on Wemby in the next series because ultimately height doesn't really stop him from still shooting over everyone.


Legit moronic. Imagine thinking height, weight and length aren't beneficial to trying to contain Wemby. Now THIS is 10 y/o logic. Wemby can be bothered somewhat by strong guys with low centers of gravity that allow them to sometimes keep him out of the paint. Edey and Mara (once he's developed) should both be strong like that but they also have Wemby's height and length. Nobody is going to stop Wemby, the goal is to try and slow him down. Do you expect teams to just throw up their hands in futility and not search for guys best suited to try? Or do you think they're all just going to continue to use guys like Caruso and OG, have modicum of success, lose playoff series and do nothing about it? jfc it's like arguing with a toddler


Gobert and Chet both struggled mightily against Wemby.

A strong wing who can get into his body is going to be the best bet versus Wemby.
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Post#258 » by SeattleJazzFan » Tue Jun 2, 2026 2:06 pm

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Going to sound bad, but this reads like a 10 year old saying because they are tall they can guard Wemby the best.

We are going to see a lot of OG on Wemby in the next series because ultimately height doesn't really stop him from still shooting over everyone.


Legit moronic. Imagine thinking height, weight and length aren't beneficial to trying to contain Wemby. Now THIS is 10 y/o logic. Wemby can be bothered somewhat by strong guys with low centers of gravity that allow them to sometimes keep him out of the paint. Edey and Mara (once he's developed) should both be strong like that but they also have Wemby's height and length. Nobody is going to stop Wemby, the goal is to try and slow him down. Do you expect teams to just throw up their hands in futility and not search for guys best suited to try? Or do you think they're all just going to continue to use guys like Caruso and OG, have modicum of success, lose playoff series and do nothing about it? jfc it's like arguing with a toddler


Gobert and Chet both struggled mightily against Wemby.

A strong wing who can get into his body is going to be the best bet versus Wemby.


yup. OG is the prototype. A wing who is strong, quick, good defensive player in general, long. somebody in that 6'7-6'8 range with great length and strength.

if they are too tall, they often aren't quick enough. if they are tall and quick enough - like chet - they generally aren't strong enough.

caruso got torched because he's just too short. caruso +4-5 inches in height and probably another 4 to 5 inches in wingspan is what you want. and that's OG.
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Re: Aday Mara (2005) - the spanish freak? 

Post#259 » by Marvin Martian » Tue Jun 2, 2026 3:11 pm

Wemby is a horrible iso player.
.76 PPP during the playoffs
.85 PPP in the regular season

No one notices because he is too good at everything else

Countering Wemby must start with his defense. And Mara does not have the floor spacing skills to keep him out of the paint.

Counter Wemby's offense means finding a way to blow up lobs and the PnR. Mara might have some value there but I don't think he will be comfortable guarding Wemby at the perimeter.

Overall I don't think he is a Wemby stopper
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Post#260 » by Upperclass » Tue Jun 2, 2026 9:58 pm

Chet is a bad Wemby defender because he's too weak and has an exceptionally skinny lower half to boot. You have to run Wemby off wide bodies and Mara would soak up alot of space.. that combo WOULD give him alot of issues navigating from the perimeter to the rim as he likes to do. On defense, you couldnt guard Mara with a smaller player so that would free up Chet to roam the perimeter with a potentially sped up release

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