Cleveland/Houston/Dallas - Where is valued owed

louc1970 · Post #21 » by **louc1970** » Fri Jul 31, 2026 4:28 pm

Is Cleveland going to sign Westbrooke to a league minimum as well? Get the gang back together.

jbk1234 · Post #22 » by **jbk1234** » Fri Jul 31, 2026 4:34 pm

ThatBoyNick wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
The problem with this is that it's far from clear that the Rockets view Sengun as the long term answer at starting center. They just had a taking-calls-on-everyone-but-Amen June and no one got moved. Not a single player.

Durant is going to turn 38 in September, has had some ill-timed injuries the last two seasons, has struggled to fit into the last three teams he personally chose, and isn't cheap. Maybe his trade value isn't what Rockets fans hope it is league wide.

Again, not even sure what your original point was in your response, but I can say I'm lower on KD than most, and I don't think Allen at 3/90 is substantially valuable to the point of saying KD for Allen would be "way too good" for Houston.

The Rockets were getting Tyson as well in the O.P. That's way too good as the Mavs received basically nothing but matching salaries for their part of the trade.

toooskies · Post #23 » by **toooskies** » Fri Jul 31, 2026 6:41 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
ThatBoyNick wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
The problem with this is that it's far from clear that the Rockets view Sengun as the long term answer at starting center. They just had a taking-calls-on-everyone-but-Amen June and no one got moved. Not a single player.

Durant is going to turn 38 in September, has had some ill-timed injuries the last two seasons, has struggled to fit into the last three teams he personally chose, and isn't cheap. Maybe his trade value isn't what Rockets fans hope it is league wide.

Again, not even sure what your original point was in your response, but I can say I'm lower on KD than most, and I don't think Allen at 3/90 is substantially valuable to the point of saying KD for Allen would be "way too good" for Houston.

The Rockets were getting Tyson as well in the O.P. That's way too good as the Mavs received basically nothing but matching salaries for their part of the trade.

I think that’s fair value if you’re closer to the league consensus on Tyson. I think the Cavs and much of their fan base is higher on him because he’s a primary source for hope for growth, but he hasn’t done enough, fell off when his role was messed with, and is an older prospect to start with.

Which is to say that the Cavs probably trade the 2031 1st before him.

jbk1234 · Post #24 » by **jbk1234** » Fri Jul 31, 2026 7:07 pm

toooskies wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
ThatBoyNick wrote:
Again, not even sure what your original point was in your response, but I can say I'm lower on KD than most, and I don't think Allen at 3/90 is substantially valuable to the point of saying KD for Allen would be "way too good" for Houston.

The Rockets were getting Tyson as well in the O.P. That's way too good as the Mavs received basically nothing but matching salaries for their part of the trade.

I think that’s fair value if you’re closer to the league consensus on Tyson. I think the Cavs and much of their fan base is higher on him because he’s a primary source for hope for growth, but he hasn’t done enough, fell off when his role was messed with, and is an older prospect to start with.

Which is to say that the Cavs probably trade the 2031 1st before him.

He's 23, shot 45% from 3 last season, 60% TS, averaged 27 mpg, played passable POA defense, and has two more season on a rookie contract.

toooskies · Post #25 » by **toooskies** » Fri Jul 31, 2026 9:39 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
toooskies wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
The Rockets were getting Tyson as well in the O.P. That's way too good as the Mavs received basically nothing but matching salaries for their part of the trade.

I think that’s fair value if you’re closer to the league consensus on Tyson. I think the Cavs and much of their fan base is higher on him because he’s a primary source for hope for growth, but he hasn’t done enough, fell off when his role was messed with, and is an older prospect to start with.

Which is to say that the Cavs probably trade the 2031 1st before him.

He's 23, shot 45% from 3 last season, 60% TS, averaged 27 mpg, played passable POA defense, and has two more season on a rookie contract.

He has a pretty slow shooting motion which left him in the playoffs, never shot that well before, and if he can’t keep it up he’s a very average player. His coach didn’t trust him in the playoffs.

mcfly1204 · Post #26 » by **mcfly1204** » Fri Jul 31, 2026 10:35 pm

toooskies wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
toooskies wrote:I think that’s fair value if you’re closer to the league consensus on Tyson. I think the Cavs and much of their fan base is higher on him because he’s a primary source for hope for growth, but he hasn’t done enough, fell off when his role was messed with, and is an older prospect to start with.

Which is to say that the Cavs probably trade the 2031 1st before him.

He's 23, shot 45% from 3 last season, 60% TS, averaged 27 mpg, played passable POA defense, and has two more season on a rookie contract.

He has a pretty slow shooting motion which left him in the playoffs, never shot that well before, and if he can’t keep it up he’s a very average player. His coach didn’t trust him in the playoffs.

Let's be real, we should not have trusted our coach in the Playoffs. I find it hard to chastise Tyson when he was getting 10-11mpg.

jbk1234 · Post #27 » by **jbk1234** » Sat Aug 1, 2026 1:32 am

toooskies wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
toooskies wrote:I think that’s fair value if you’re closer to the league consensus on Tyson. I think the Cavs and much of their fan base is higher on him because he’s a primary source for hope for growth, but he hasn’t done enough, fell off when his role was messed with, and is an older prospect to start with.

Which is to say that the Cavs probably trade the 2031 1st before him.

He's 23, shot 45% from 3 last season, 60% TS, averaged 27 mpg, played passable POA defense, and has two more season on a rookie contract.

He has a pretty slow shooting motion which left him in the playoffs, never shot that well before, and if he can’t keep it up he’s a very average player. His coach didn’t trust him in the playoffs.

This sounds like a my-diamond-shoes-are-too-tight type of complaint. I thought he had some immature moments against the Pistons when we had the lead and let what I'll describe as their chippiness get in his head. He's a good young player, Atkinson was right to bench him and wrong not explain why.

He's a good young player who still has to figure out some things. Atkinson is on likely on a short leash.

I'm not sure Tyson's the right starting SF next to Mitchell and Garland, but I have different concerns about all of the other names being discussed.

K_chile22 · Post #28 » by **K_chile22** » Sat Aug 1, 2026 6:41 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
The problem with this is that it's far from clear that the Rockets view Sengun as the long term answer at starting center. They just had a taking-calls-on-everyone-but-Amen June and no one got moved. Not a single player.

Maybe because whatever report you were listening to wasn’t very accurate. Seemed obvious to most that they were gonna run it back even if it’s not what I wanted

JES12 · Post #29 » by **JES12** » Sun Aug 2, 2026 1:56 am

It's not the most horrible trade I see proposed with Dallas in it, but I (not saying all mavs fans) do not want Gafford gone. Not interesred in dumping him...at leasr until we see if Lively can be his former self and see if Morez pans out. And I don't see what the sports commentators see in Srus. So maybe, I over value big men and under value shooters.