AirP. wrote:First, if you remember, Joe Dumars made that crazy trade an expected very high pick the next year and draft D.Queen who should be a center, not a PF where currently Zion resides.
On Murphy... similar impact stats to Moody? His last 2 years he's averaged over 21 points with TS% of .598 and .619 as a top option, Moody who is efficient himself is playing mostly as a role player, which means easier shots because he's not creating his own shot all that often compared to Murphy. You must be watching some of his bad games because a good amount of the time I watch him he's pretty damn good as a 6'8'' SF vs Moody who's 6'5''. I think long-term having Yaxel and Murphy at your 3 and 4, that's a great long-term combo with size. His price of 3 1st is probably too high unless you're a contender who expects at least 2 of those picks to be at the back of the 1st round.
Plus, he's currently only 27 million this year, 29 mil next year and 31 the year after when he should be getting more than that.
Yeah I do recall Dumars' crappy trade for Queen. He hasn't done anything like that since, so I can't assume he is just ready to blow assets at a discount. We've heard the opposite, now he's overvaluing his guys. Someone like that is poor at valuations, so we may be seeing him now overvalue his guys after undervaluing his draft picks.
When I said impact, I was referring to thinks like DARKO and RAPM -- Moody and Murphy are pretty close. Moody's defense is significantly better (or at least it was pre-injury). Murphy is a scorer who doesn't have an all-around game, Moses is a 3&D guy who does all the little things.
I have watched a lot of Murphy, last year the Pelicans were one of my league pass teams. I don't dislike Murphy, I think he's overvalued. If you could get him for 1 first, great, but they will want at minimum 2 unprotected firsts which is too much for a guy like him. 3 is just nuts even with protections, I assume that's negotiating, but with Dumars remember bad valuations can go both ways (over or under).
Herb Jones actually does better in DARKO and RAPM, he is more focused on the stuff it takes to win. But in the modern NBA you generally only want to be playing 1 guy who isn't a good shooter at a time, so he'd be more of a bench guy here if Dray is starting.