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Series #7: Tigers vs. Jays (Apr. 18-21), non-cursed edition

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Post#41 » by SmallTownJournalist303 » Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:32 pm

D. Eckstein ss
S. Stewart lf
A. Hill 2b
A. Rios cf
M. Stairs dh
L. Overbay 1b
M. Scutaro 3b
G. Zaun c
J. Inglett rf

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Post#42 » by vaff87 » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:03 pm

What an awful at bat by Zaun.
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Post#43 » by Schad » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:13 pm

Back-to-back innings with runners on third and less than two outs, no runs. 0-3 with the bases loaded, as well. I don't put much stock in 'clutchness', but the Jays are gawd awful at picking up those important two out hits.

The numbers even back it up...the Jays OPS+ with RISP/2 outs last year was well below the league average (though decent with RISP in general), and this season has been no different.
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Post#44 » by vaff87 » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:22 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:Back-to-back innings with runners on third and less than two outs, no runs. 0-3 with the bases loaded, as well. I don't put much stock in 'clutchness', but the Jays are gawd awful at picking up those important two out hits.

The numbers even back it up...the Jays OPS+ with RISP/2 outs last year was well below the league average (though decent with RISP in general), and this season has been no different.


I think 'clutchness' does exist in baseball. It comes down to focus and how the players approach the at bat. Someone like Ortiz obviously knows how to approach his at bats in clutch situations, knows how to focus, and isn't afraid of the pressure.

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Post#45 » by Peteros » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:34 pm

SmallTownJournalist303 wrote:D. Eckstein ss
S. Stewart lf
A. Hill 2b
A. Rios cf
M. Stairs dh
L. Overbay 1b
M. Scutaro 3b
G. Zaun c
J. Inglett rf

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What an awful lineup. :banghead:

Looks like we're in for a long season folks. :noway:
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Post#46 » by Schad » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:39 pm

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I think 'clutchness' does exist in baseball. It comes down to focus and how the players approach the at bat. Someone like Ortiz obviously knows how to approach his at bats in clutch situations, knows how to focus, and isn't afraid of the pressure.

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The interesting thing about studies of 'clutch' ability is that most of them suggest that the clutch guys are the slap-happy hitters who can adjust their swings when necessary, which the big boppers often have difficulty doing:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... tiz/060405
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Post#47 » by vaff87 » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:51 pm

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The interesting thing about studies of 'clutch' ability is that most of them suggest that the clutch guys are the slap-happy hitters who can adjust their swings when necessary, which the big boppers often have difficulty doing:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... tiz/060405


That definitely makes sense. That's one of the reasons I like guys who can get hits over guys who have a high OPS but mostly do it with walks and extra base hits, and tend to strike out a lot(Adam Dunn comes to mind). When there's a runner in scoring position and the game is on the line, I'd much rather a contact hitter at the plate over some slugger who based on OPS might be a far better hitter, but walks a ton, hits for a low average, and strikes out a ton. That's why I don't necessarily agree when people say batting average means nothing nowadays.
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Post#48 » by Peteros » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:08 pm

When is Rolen schedule to be back??

Scutaro's .189 avg is killing us.

Boston wins again. 5 in a row. Looks like they are pulling away from the rest. Is it safe to say Boston will win the division? wow they're looking good.
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Post#49 » by Geddy » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:26 pm

What an ugly lineup. If i ever see scutaro and inglett in the same lineup again i might have to go postal. If I ever see those two with john macdonald then it'll be even worse.

Vernon should have been playing today. I just don't buy the whole day off thing in baseball unless we're talking about pitchers or catchers.

I hope with Diaz coming up, it means that we see less of Zaun. I know he hit that home run today, but i'd rather have Barajas out there every game.
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Post#50 » by arrpy » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:46 pm

<-------Disappointed with our lineup problems.
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Post#51 » by spykelee » Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:20 pm

rkid wrote:What an ugly lineup. If i ever see scutaro and inglett in the same lineup again i might have to go postal. If I ever see those two with john macdonald then it'll be even worse.

Vernon should have been playing today. I just don't buy the whole day off thing in baseball unless we're talking about pitchers or catchers.

I hope with Diaz coming up, it means that we see less of Zaun. I know he hit that home run today, but i'd rather have Barajas out there every game.


I still have absolutely no issues with giving a player a day off. It is a nesscecity. But giving our biggest threat his walking papers, and then our franchise guy the day off the next day is just piss poor management. I'm shocked we even scored a run today, off a zaun homerun nonetheless.

Whatever the case, as you said, I'd really like to see Diaz get in there and take some time from Zaun. He can't be any worse that's for sure
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Post#52 » by fliszt25 » Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:32 am

vaff87 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



That definitely makes sense. That's one of the reasons I like guys who can get hits over guys who have a high OPS but mostly do it with walks and extra base hits, and tend to strike out a lot(Adam Dunn comes to mind). When there's a runner in scoring position and the game is on the line, I'd much rather a contact hitter at the plate over some slugger who based on OPS might be a far better hitter, but walks a ton, hits for a low average, and strikes out a ton. That's why I don't necessarily agree when people say batting average means nothing nowadays.


I agree with you and that is why David Eckstein has been our best clutch guy this year. If Overbay was hitting well, he would be a good guy too. Hill, Rios and Wells all tend to overswing in the clutch.
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Post#53 » by spykelee » Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:26 pm

okay being that there is no game thread for the tampa series...

WTF Rios has a day off today??? he just had a day off like a week ago... As much as I don't mind a day off here and there... this is getting ridiculous. Gibbons, are you (Please Use More Appropriate Word)????
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Post#54 » by Schad » Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:11 am

Another stellar outing for Litsch...eight baserunners through three innings. Hope the bullpen is feeling limber.
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Post#55 » by spykelee » Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:15 am

Schadenfreude wrote:Another stellar outing for Litsch...eight baserunners through three innings. Hope the bullpen is feeling limber.


i'd like to ask if your surprised but i know u aren't. Litsch is garbage. It's too bad we waste all of our runs on him every start
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Post#56 » by spykelee » Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:50 am

dammit litsch, u suck

Litsch 3.1innings pitched, 8hits, 5runs, 5 earned runs, 2walks, 4 strikeouts, 1home run, 6.16ERA.

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Post#57 » by spykelee » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:52 am

our anemic offense comes through again. We need an offensive upgrade. There's no way this team can come close to competiting with the big dogs.

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