Chris Bosh or David West?

bstein14 · Post #1 » by **bstein14** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 9:55 pm

Who's better right now?

2poor · Post #2 » by **2poor** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 10:02 pm

I didn't realize West went from relatively unnoticed to borderline overrated.

carrottop12 · Post #3 » by **carrottop12** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 10:08 pm

Bosh.

brown_kids · Post #4 » by **brown_kids** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 10:32 pm

Bosh, but no disrespect to West, the guy is a beast

NetsForce · Post #5 » by **NetsForce** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 10:36 pm

I've never been a fan of Bosh's jumpshot oriented game but come on... This is Bosh easily.

West is a good player in his own right though...

raps4life~ · Post #6 » by **raps4life~** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 10:42 pm

I realize West's numbers are comparable to Bosh's ATM and in some cases even better, but in terms of better player its Bosh hands down. Right now hes the only "star" player on the Raptors and is carrying the team without our second best player, TJ, to an above .500 record.

bstein14 · Post #7 » by **bstein14** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 10:47 pm

Well, I know its hard to compare because West plays with better players around him, but I think almost everyone would agree that West is the better man to man defensive player.

But West is a very solid offensive player, and has a more "efficient" offensive game.

As far as rebounding goes they are pretty equal.

I don't see how anyone could say that Bosh is having a better season this year. He just flat out isn't.

Post #8 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 10:58 pm

2poor wrote::blank:

I didn't realize West went from relatively unnoticed to borderline overrated.

Agreed.

West doesn't have a more efficient offensive game... Bosh gets to the line like a madman and converts a lot.

He's a better man to man defender, and that's really about the only thing he is better at IMO.

GreenWithEnvy · Post #9 » by **GreenWithEnvy** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 11:02 pm

did i miss something about West? i mean, hes a nice player. a NICE player but hes not an all star nor is he a building block for a franchise the way Bosh is.

Hard2dhole · Post #10 » by **Hard2dhole** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 11:09 pm

Every coach in the league should demand more of his defenders on Bosh then on West.
No knocking West but Bosh easy

eloper · Post #11 » by **eloper** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 11:26 pm

bstein14 wrote:Well, I know its hard to compare because West plays with better players around him, but I think almost everyone would agree that West is the better man to man defensive player.

But West is a very solid offensive player, and has a more "efficient" offensive game.

As far as rebounding goes they are pretty equal.

I don't see how anyone could say that Bosh is having a better season this year. He just flat out isn't.

Bosh's PER: 23.19
West's PER: 19.66

While Bosh shoots a lower percentage, he gets to the line almost twice as much, making him a more efficient scorer (54.1 TS% for Bosh compared to West's 51.8%), while scoring slightly more in slightly fewer minutes. All in all, Bosh has been the superior scorer this season hands down. Rebounding and passing the ball they're basically even, though Bosh is less turnover prone, and defensively Bosh steals the ball a bit more often while West blocks shots a bit more often (basically evening out, though a steal is statistically more productive than a block).

Bosh is slightly better in enough parts of the game to make him pretty clearly better in my opinion, particularly in terms of efficiency scoring the ball.

Harry10 · Post #12 » by **Harry10** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 12:06 am

if any body cares..... here are some actual facts:

Bosh: 20.3pts 9.2reb 1.1blocks 43FG%
West: 19.0pts 9.5reb 1.4blocks 47FG%

Harry10 · Post #13 » by **Harry10** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 12:08 am

raps4life~ wrote:I realize West's numbers are comparable to Bosh's ATM and in some cases even better, but in terms of better player its Bosh hands down. Right now hes the only "star" player on the Raptors and is carrying the team without our second best player, TJ, to an above .500 record.

that is a big slap in the face to Jose Calderon. but i also agree with you implication,.... Bargnani does look like a bust, no help at all.

Pats19andO · Post #14 » by **Pats19andO** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 12:13 am

Harry10 wrote:if any body cares..... here are some actual facts:

Bosh: 20.3pts 9.2reb 1.1blocks 43FG%
West: 19.0pts 9.5reb 1.4blocks 47FG%

bosh doesnt have cp3

Post #15 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 12:28 am

You would think people would give it up when even the Hornets fans are acknowledging that Bosh is clearly better.

halfHAVOC · Post #16 » by **halfHAVOC** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 12:39 am

Pats19andO wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

bosh doesnt have cp3

thats an excuse.

ford and calderon are great pg's.

Boogie-Boogz · Post #17 » by **Boogie-Boogz** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 12:43 am

I posted this in the other thread

ets switch Bosh and West with their teams. Bosh on Hornets West on Raptors.

Where are tha Raptors, and where are Horntets?

West cannot lead a team like Bosh DOES, the margin is pretty wide Bosh is fighting his injury and is still more efficient.

West is a good player though but Bosh hand down.

XTC · Post #18 » by **XTC** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 12:53 am

Bosh has been dealing with injuries this year. Still one of the top power forward. That injury really did make Bosh so damn rusty.

Harry10 · Post #19 » by **Harry10** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 12:58 am

halfHAVOC wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

thats an excuse.

ford and calderon are great pg's.

i agree with raptor fans , Ford, Calderon, Bargnani, and Moon suck... espeically playing in the eastern conference.

Post #20 » by **Schad** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 1:04 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:You would think people would give it up when even the Hornets fans are acknowledging that Bosh is clearly better.

I do love West, though; every time I watch a Hornets game, I come away more impressed with West than with Paul (the latter usually being the reason I'm watching the game in the first place). West is Zach Randolph with more lift and infinitely more brains; terrific shot, adept in the post, and a very solid passer. Probably not a guy that should be carrying a team, but a perfect '1b' type of player that meshes well with virtually anyone and can lead a team in spurts.