The Daddy goes to Portland

TradeMachine · Post #21 » by **TradeMachine** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 11:54 pm

BBallFreak wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Why does it matter to Miami if they're trading Shaq?

It doesn't, I guess. I was just responding to your implication that Przybilla's contract is bad.

Post #22 » by **BBallFreak** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 11:55 pm

TradeMachine wrote:It doesn't, I guess. I was just responding to your implication that Przybilla's contract is bad.

I wasn't implying it was bad, I was pointing out that if Miami is dealing Shaq it's to rebuild, and Pryzbilla's contract interferes with that.

SabasRevenge! · Post #23 » by **SabasRevenge!** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 12:03 am

NBAMAN2006 wrote:I really dont think I would deal Joel straight up for Shaq, let alone add in 2 1st round picks and 2 very promising young players.

I agree 100%. When I watch Shaq this year it's shocking what a shell of his old self he is. He seems to have lost a lot of the body control and agility that made him so great. Sure, he is still strong as an ox, but now his mass seems to be getting in the way more than helping. There's absolutely no way I go over the luxury tax and end up paying 30-40 a year for an ineffective egomaniac ex-superstar, let alone one who killed us many times. How will he take coming off the bench? Not well, and Greg Oden would not sit behind him. As much as I've liked Shaq for his playful humor and what he's done for the game, he's having and will have a very hard time letting go. Put a fork in him. Miami is stuck with the man.

DeezXXnutZ · Post #24 » by **DeezXXnutZ** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 12:13 am

If I had to decide I would rather have The Pryz then have Shaq..Plus we will have Oden back next season and one thing we don't want to do is have Shaq getting playing time over Oden......

Flash is the Future · Post #25 » by **Flash is the Future** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 12:21 am

Spykes - you're trade is good value, but I still think I'd rather rebuild via FA in 2010 (when the FA class will be the best), and rebuild by other means until then.

Pats19andO · Post #26 » by **Pats19andO** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 12:25 am

take out the 2 firsts from portland and its about right

why not shaq for raef, pryzbilla, webster?

Flash is the Future · Post #27 » by **Flash is the Future** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 12:31 am

If we could send Pryz somewhere for expirings it would be reasonable.

Post #28 » by **Spykes** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 12:34 am

Pats19andO wrote:take out the 2 firsts from portland and its about right

why not shaq for raef, pryzbilla, webster?

As I said in my post on the previous page...

Taking on Shaq also means that the Blazers have to throw away their 09 cap space plan for him. 2009 is the only chance Portland will has at having enough cap space to sign a big FA before they have to resign Roy and Aldridge. It's a very small window of time, and taking on Shaq's contract while getting rid of LaFrentz's completely closes that window.

Pats19andO wrote:Spykes - you're trade is good value, but I still think I'd rather rebuild via FA in 2010 (when the FA class will be the best), and rebuild by other means until then.

My personal opinion, that's too long to wait to seriously rebuild. Especially considering Wade's contract situation. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect Wade to pull an "Arenas" and opt out of his deal in 2010 to look for a new contract. At that point, the Heat would not only have to be finding a FA to go alongside Wade, but they'd also have to keep Wade himself.

If I were the Heat, I'd be looking to rebuild that team before Wade needs an extension. 2009 is gonna have a lot of good veteran FA's that, when paired with Wade, could make the team competitive again.

Flash is the Future wrote:If we could send Pryz somewhere for expirings it would be reasonable.

And if I can ask, why are you guys so dead set against not wanting Przybilla? He's not drastically overpaid and he'd really help out the Heat's defense. Plus he's great at setting picks, which would really help out Wade.

Flash is the Future · Post #29 » by **Flash is the Future** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 12:37 am

True. But I think the 2006 championship has bought us some leeway with Wade. Plus, that same year, we'll have Daequan Cook under contract, and 2 other 1sts. So, we'd be able to re-sign Wade to a max deal, and still have enough money offer a max deal to someone else like Lebron or Chris Bosh.

Carmelo22 · Post #30 » by **Carmelo22** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 1:10 am

i dnt think portland need shaq

J~Rush · Post #31 » by **J~Rush** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 1:16 am

No big diesel please. We'll be fine with Bio-diesel.

DeezXXnutZ · Post #32 » by **DeezXXnutZ** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 1:17 am

Flash is the Future wrote:If we could send Pryz somewhere for expirings it would be reasonable.

Are u serious...You think The Pryz is not worth having on your team..Obviously you've never seen him play...Plus you act like he has some horrible contract...Look at Shaqs contract thats over 60 mil the next 3 years and his #'s are tanking hard..you rarely see Shaq with double doubles anymore....

These are all bad trades for the Blazers......

Post #33 » by **BBallFreak** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 1:22 am

BBallFreak wrote:if Miami is dealing Shaq it's to rebuild, and Pryzbilla's contract interferes with that.

Nuggetsfanduh98 · Post #34 » by **Nuggetsfanduh98** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 2:06 am

Don't see why portland would trade youth for a guy that cna't stay healthy and ask wade ain't much help on the court...

Post #35 » by **Cowology** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 2:19 am

I don't see this making any sense at all for Portland.

CarolinaCash · Post #36 » by **CarolinaCash** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 4:14 am

Worst trade ever!!! No way Portland trades 2 1st round picks and those young players for Grandpa Shaq........You would have to add in Wade and even then I would think about it.

breaker91 · Post #37 » by **breaker91** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 4:15 am

Bringing Shaq on makes no sense for Portland. I also don't understand this tutor logic. Shaq may be a great player, but history has shown that great players tend to make the worst tutors or coaches. Look around the league now at the current roster of ex-player coaches.

The most notable ex-player\current coach someone who had a great physical and mental feel for the game is Isiah Thomas and his record as a coach speaks for itself.

If the Blazers really feel that Oden needs some tutor why not hire Clifford Ray (the guy who worked with Dwight Howard his first year or two in Orlando) next year as an assistant coach?

RTM · Post #38 » by **RTM** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 5:52 am

Portland is better off not making this trade.

They pass.

SlickWilly8 · Post #39 » by **SlickWilly8** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 6:20 am

CarolinaCash wrote:Worst trade ever!!! No way Portland trades 2 1st round picks and those young players for Grandpa Shaq........You would have to add in Wade and even then I would think about it.

WOW!!!!!

Post #40 » by **Spykes** » Wed Jan 2, 2008 6:40 am

BBallFreak wrote:if Miami is dealing Shaq it's to rebuild, and Pryzbilla's contract interferes with that.

I think we Blazer fans are a bit confused as to why you don't want Przybilla because he'd be a good building block for the future. I realize you personally likely don't hold this view, as you've made it clear that you don't care for Przybilla in the past BBall. However, the fact is that Joel would be a great player for the Heat, now, and in the future.

That said, it really doesn't matter. Portland isn't going to make a trade like this anyhow. Kevin Pritchard and Nate McMillan have made it perfectly clear they won't be making any type of move that involves key players during the season.

He [McMillan] said there was the urge to ask general manager Kevin Pritchard and owner Paul Allen to get him more experienced players, or to add another big man. But he relented, agreeing with Pritchard to stay the course on the master plan to develop the youngest team in the NBA.

"I had to tell myself that I had to relax," McMillan said. "I came to realize I have to teach them, I have to coach them. We may get our tails beat, we may take some kicks, but I've got to adapt."