Three Way PHi Orl Toronto

[ajmal]

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I disagree. You give up two busts for 2 good players. But I wouldn't approach what Joey A says, he's a insane homer. I don't agree with anyone in this thread. If the raptors were permitted to take out bargani, and Calderon and a first, would they do it?

if bargnani is a bust, then why do the raptors have to add calderon and a pick for them to take out bargnani....

[sca]

This ruins Philly completely. Dalembert is a core player for any team. Nestrovic is a Bust with multiple years left on his deal. Bargani has gone backwards, and he doesn't have a spot in Philly cause Jason Smith is flat out a better player, and three times the athlete, and Young is better as a SF. Philly would laugh this idea right out of town.

Jason who?

[corwin]

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Jason who?

Jason Smith. Nice rookie 7 foot forward from Colorado State. He's part of Philly's rebuilding nucleus.

[IggyTheBEaST]

Sixerspass easily. Maybe id consider if toronto had drafted aldridge instead of bargnani. Sixers prefer Daly to Bargnani.

[risktaker91]

Sixerspass easily. Maybe id consider if toronto had drafted aldridge instead of bargnani. Sixers prefer Daly to Bargnani.

You serious? Aren't the Sixers trying to rebuild. Wouldn't you rather have a young and developing centre who is so much cheaper than an aging Center who's making 10 million. Let's face it, Phill isn't a contender and in order to rebuild Dalembert has to go. Getting the number 1 pick a couple years ago for him is good value. Bargs is struggling, but he can only go up from here...

[loserX]

You serious? Aren't the Sixers trying to rebuild. Wouldn't you rather have a young and developing centre who is so much cheaper than an aging Center who's making 10 million. Let's face it, Phill isn't a contender and in order to rebuild Dalembert has to go. Getting the number 1 pick a couple years ago for him is good value. Bargs is struggling, but he can only go up from here...

Dalembert is 26. Whatever problems you might have with him, "aging" isn't one of them.

[IggyTheBEaST]

Bargs isnt a center, he is too soft.

[The Duke]

Toronto would not deal Bargs in this kind of package, since we arnt compensated enuff, cuz he hasent reached "bust" yet... and has considerably more value then u give him credit for

[Pats19andO]

not a good trade for ORL. They lose like 1/2 their roster

[roseorbust]

not a good trade for ORL. They lose like 1/2 their roster

and get 3 of those players back the next day. Can we get a DUR smiley?

[loserX]

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and get 3 of those players back the next day. Can we get a DUR smiley?

Actually, cut players can't resign with the team that traded them for 30 days. What's the smiley for irony?

[roseorbust]

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Actually, cut players can't resign with the team that traded them for 30 days. What's the smiley for irony?

or the smiley for owned

[zong]

Bargnani's defence < Dalembert's defence
Bargnani's potential defensive ability = slightly less than Dalembert's defensive ability at the moment
Bargnani's offense at the moment = Dalembert's offense at the moment
as for offensive potential, you can probably guess the answer

redick doesnt solve our problems, nor does a late 1st rounder, so we'll probably pass

[risktaker91]

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Dalembert is 26. Whatever problems you might have with him, "aging" isn't one of them.

Man this Raptor hater is in every thread...

I think any GM who's trying to rebuild would rather have Bargs and his rookie salary than Sammy D.

[loserX]

Man this Raptor hater is in every thread...

I think any GM who's trying to rebuild would rather have Bargs and his rookie salary than Sammy D.

Raptor hater? Nah. I just don't like when people get their facts wrong. 26 isn't "aging", it's in his prime (and they've made no noise about moving him to get younger). He's younger than Kapono, and only 4 months older than Calderon. Are they "aging"?

That's literally the only point I was making.

[ponder719]

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Man this Raptor hater is in every thread...

I think any GM who's trying to rebuild would rather have Bargs and his rookie salary than Sammy D.

I wouldn't say any, though many would. However, we're not debating Dalembert vs. Bargnani. We're discussing Dalembert, Miller, Evans, and a pick for Bargnani and cap space. That's one of the players considered to be a major building block, a guy the GM is a huge fan of, a talented rebounder with an admittedly poor contract, and a future asset for a bit of a project with less than impressive defensive stats, offensive numbers that are, at least for this year, worse than Daly's, and energy issues. And cap space, but the more proven assets we trade away, the less attractive we'll be to the people we want to use that space on. I wouldn't be surprised to see Evans and Green moved along (somehow) and both Miller and Dalembert stay put, so we at least have some veteran talent to point to when we explain how we're going to become a winning team.

I'm not sure Bargnani is a good enough fit with what Philly wants to do that it's worth giving up almost all our legitimate tradable assets for him, including two players the GM's on record as saying he's not in favor of moving if he can help it.

[RTM]

A 3 for 8?

That's not at all realistic.

[zong]

Bargs isnt a center, he is too soft.

sadly this may be true, but softness is something you can improve on, having scoring abilities that stretch out the defense is something you cant learn on the fly (dalembert)

for what its worth, I guess fans just arent that thrilled about Bargnani because of his stagnant growth so far

[raps4life~]

for all you idiots calling bargnani a bust after less than 1.5 seasons in the NBA look at this

After 1.25 yrs into their NBA careers, these guys were the amongst the cream of the crop in their respective drafts...

Player --- Key Stats for sophomore season
Shareef Abdur Rahim -- 22.3 ppg, 7.1 reb, 48.5 fg%
Damon Stoudamire --- 20.2 ppg. 8.8 ast, 4.1 reb - ROY
Steve Francis -- 19.9 ppg, 6.9 reb, 6.5 ast - ROY
Stephen Marbury -- 17.7 ppg, 8.6 ast
Joe Smith -- 18.7 ppg, 8.5 reb
Kieth Van Horn -- 21.8 ppg, 8.5 reb

Look at those stats!! All the aformentioned players are overpaid bums.

On the flipside, players like Steve Nash, Baron Davis, Chauncey Billups, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Dirk Nowitzki, Rasheed Wallace, etc. didn't look like much early in their sophomore seasons but these guys went on to become perenial all-stars/MVP candidates later in their careers.

Its way to early to make any conclusions regarding the 2006 draft......especially when you trying to compare American born players coming out of the NCAA versus a player coming over from Europe.

[The Guilty Party]

The fact that those players fell off of the map as time went on doesn't mean that Bargnani is suddenly going to get it and become worthy of that #1 pick. Brandon Roy would have looked great in a Raps jersey but then again so would have Andre Iguodala. At some point the Raps will draft a stud swingman to go with Bosh rather than trying to pair him with a so-so big man.