NJN/IND trade involving JO w/ nj keeping big 3...

[croz24]

deal including future picks that should be good for both teams...

ind receives - s. williams, wright, krstic, nachbar, magloire, collins, + 2 future 1sts

njn receives - jo, harrison, graham

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Indiana Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +4.1 ppg, +8.8 rpg, and +0.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Sean Williams
6-10 PF from Boston College
7.3 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 0.4 apg in 21.0 minutes
Antoine Wright
6-6 SG / SF from Texas A&M
8.8 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.7 apg in 30.0 minutes
Nenad Krstic
7-0 PF / C from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
4.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.2 apg in 15.0 minutes
Bostjan Nachbar
6-9 PF from Slovenia (Foreign)
10.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.2 minutes
Jamaal Magloire
6-11 C from Kentucky
2.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 12.9 minutes
Jason Collins
7-0 C from Stanford
1.1 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.6 apg in 17.5 minutes
Outgoing Players
Stephen Graham
6-6 SG from Oklahoma State
9.0 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.5 apg in 11.2 minutes
David Harrison
7-0 C from Colorado
4.8 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.6 minutes
Jermaine O'Neal
6-11 PF from Eau Claire (HS)
16.5 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 2.9 apg in 31.8 minutes
New Jersey Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -4.1 ppg, -8.8 rpg, and -0.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Stephen Graham
6-6 SG from Oklahoma State
9.0 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.5 apg in 11.2 minutes
David Harrison
7-0 C from Colorado
4.8 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.6 minutes
Jermaine O'Neal
6-11 PF from Eau Claire (HS)
16.5 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 2.9 apg in 31.8 minutes
Outgoing Players
Sean Williams
6-10 PF from Boston College
7.3 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 0.4 apg in 21.0 minutes
Antoine Wright
6-6 SG / SF from Texas A&M
8.8 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.7 apg in 30.0 minutes
Nenad Krstic
7-0 PF / C from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
4.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.2 apg in 15.0 minutes
Bostjan Nachbar
6-9 PF from Slovenia (Foreign)
10.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.2 minutes
Jamaal Magloire
6-11 C from Kentucky
2.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 12.9 minutes
Jason Collins
7-0 C from Stanford
1.1 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.6 apg in 17.5 minutes

[ecuhus1981]

I can't lie, the Nets couldn't pass on this.

I am not at all comfortable with Jermaine's health and contract, but this is a great chance for us to "up" our contending chances while Kidd is still performing at an All-Star level.

Lotto protection on both picks ('08 and '10) shouldn't affect IND too much.

[loserX]

If Indy would do this, and I'm not sure they would, they'd need a 3rd team to consolidate some of those bodies. They don't have room for a 3-for-6 trade, nor to swap 2 bigs for 4.

[croz24]

pacers would be two players over so they could just cut/release, or buy them out...

[ecuhus1981]

NJ could send cash to buyout players, and/or IND could send Andre Owens.

[chatard5]

Indy doesn't even come close to doing this, so don't worry about about them releasing players...

[warren weel im]

Seriously, that offer is better than Kwame + Critt + Odom? and an East-East deal?

Seriously, Can't believe this is happening...

[croz24]

i believe it's better because i believe krstic when healthy and sean williams are worth more to the pacers than odom...as are the 2 1sts that'd be coming back...this deal gives the pacers some young players, expiring contracts, and draft picks and provides the nets with one of the best starting lineups in the league and a legit chance to make the finals.

[chatard5]

Pacers need more talent/young talent coming back. No thanks, good day.

[yunggunz]

I think marcus williams would be asked for as well (and then send diener or owens back to jersey). Maybe throw in Marcus Williams and take out one of the picks.

For Jersey they would be going for broke...it gives them 2 years to win a championship and then they start rebuilding (with only Carter and Jefferson locked into contracts) immediately. Its not a bad option, because they are in a good situation financially for rebuilding after 09.


Both of the Williams, Krstic, and 2 firsts is far and away the best Indy could do for JO right now.

[chatard5]

Krstic has very very low value right now, and after the knee injury I doubt his value will be very close to what it once was.

[croz24]

well, bishop5, what can the pacers get that's better than 2 1sts, sean williams, for a jo who does not fit into what the pacers are trying to do whatsoever...unless of course you desire mediocrity for the next 5 years...this deal gives the pacers cap room, young players, and picks while providing the nets with a legit shot at the finals for the next 2-3 years.

[shrink]

Krstic has very very low value right now, and after the knee injury I doubt his value will be very close to what it once was.

How hypocritical is this, from the guy that thinks he should be able to trade the injury-prone , $64 million Jermaine O'Neal, and he only gets four 1st round picks for it?

[shrink]

well, retard5, ....

Even if name-calling is still cool in your elementary school, it has no place on these boards. Debate the issue.

[chatard5]

well, bishop5, what can the pacers get that's better than 2 1sts, sean williams, for a jo who does not fit into what the pacers are trying to do whatsoever...unless of course you desire mediocrity for the next 5 years...this deal gives the pacers cap room, young players, and picks while providing the nets with a legit shot at the finals for the next 2-3 years.

The Pacers finally got rid of all their headcases, now they want Sean Williams? If the Nets has 4 stars, how good with the 1st rounders be? It SUCKS. I don't want the 25th draft pick. Sean Williams isn't bad, but we are trying to get our reputation bad. So I would actually prefer either keeping JO or getting a better trade. Retard5? Wow, you are mature. Pretty big tough guy to call people names on a computer.

[chatard5]

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How hypocritical is this, from the guy that thinks he should be able to trade the injury-prone , $64 million Jermaine O'Neal, and he only gets four 1st round picks for it?

I don't want to trade JO right now b/c I know his value is low, how is that hypocritical? And a first round pick doesn't have much value when it would be very late in the first round. It's a guaranteed contract that doesn't work out a lot of the time.

[shrink]

Its hypocritical for you to say that Krstic's value is "very very low" because of injuries, then not apply the same standard to Jermaine O'Neal, who has a far greater injury history than Krstic.

[chatard5]

Its hypocritical for you to say that Krstic's value is "very very low" because of injuries, then not apply the same standard to Jermaine O'Neal, who has a far greater injury history than Krstic.

Krstic is coming off a major knee injury, and hasn't looked good so far. JO has an injury history and is coming off an injury, I understand this. I'm not calling him injury prone, I said he is coming off a major injury. I don't want to trade JO. He is finally getting healthy, so why trade him when his value is low? I put JO on the same standard, and I understand his value is low right now, but won't his value increase as he gets healthy and shows improvement? My point was I don't want to trade JO, and an injured Krstic doesn't show much value. An injured JO might not so much value either, but I am not the one proposing the trades, I am just stating my displeasure on the trade.

[Oomph]

I'm happy JO is getting back on track for a 20-10 season and you won't hear me complain about his stats.

It's his role in the offense that's hurting the Pacers right now, he's holding up the new style that JOB was trying to imply. The dumping it to JO in the low post is holding players like Granger back too much, and at the end of games it's either Tinsley or JO that tries to be the hero with not much success!

I really think JO's role is done on this team, we lose more with him than without him so far this season ... I want him gone!

JO would really fit in with the big 3 of the Nets and I guess the value coming back from this trade is decent but not the deal I would do.

A 3way trade like following has my preference:

Nets get JO/Graham/Barron
Pacers get Krstic/Magloire/Williams/Davis/Blount
Heat get Collins/Wright/Murphy

Nets still get JO + filler, Pacers get Krstic + Williams and some cap relief while the Heat can really use Murphy's outside shooting in their offense.

If the Heat want to trade Cook for Shawne Williams (their future SF?) I think that could be arranged too!

[ecuhus1981]

^

I'm not sure how high MIA is on Murphy, especially with Haslem having such a fine year. But I could see a 3rd team coming into the trade, to take some of the excess frontcourt pieces that are being shuffled in this deal.

For the record, NO to adding a Marcus Williams for Travis Diener swap.